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Goofy		#51 Posted : 12 January 2009 18:37:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kgsjoqvist <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />It will cost more,because more advanced functions. Fleischmanns new PROFI-BOX cost about 150 euro. So i wonder if this will become in the same pricelist as Fleischmanns...? Goofy I don't think it will be more expensive than Mobile Station (1,9A). It is basically the same hardware include, and the manufacturing cost should be the same or lower. However, I doubt that the MS2 will be available in the same volumes on Ebay for a nickle and a dime. The positioning of this product is a bit higher and it will probably not be available in the cheapest starter sets. They will be delivered with the simple IR remote instead. Wrong...! It´s an new shape of model and besides there is now an booster outside of MobilStation. The power of 1,9 Amps is not inside of MS anymore time...! In fact,it will cost more...! Its´totally new shape and therefore more jobs by fixed it...! Goofy
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H0		#52 Posted : 12 January 2009 22:30:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,488 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />Wrong...! Wrong - compare the prices of the starter sets ... RRP: #29534: 249,95 (3 turnouts) #29533: 239,00 (2 turnouts) #29477: 249,95 (3 turnouts) #29476: 249,95 (3 turnouts) #29791: 299,95 (3 turnouts) #29790: 279,95 (2 turnouts) #29482: 299,95 #29481: 299,95 #29150: 399,95 #29151: 399,95 #29011: 449,95 #29010: 449,95 A difference of 10 or 20 Euro respectively for the sets with an additional turnout, same price for starter sets where only the MS was replaced. I can't see why the new MS should be more expensive than the old MS (after the first hype is over).
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Goofy		#53 Posted : 17 January 2009 17:41:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Are you nut...? We are writing only about MS2,not startsets...! What you shall do,is to equal with MS1 and MS2 in prices by to shopping them seperat. Never mind about startsets,for God´s sake...! Besides,i see forward to shop an MS2 60653. Never ever startset,because they are always worse condition while to shop in pieces has better quality. In my opion,i see MS2 itemnr:60653 in better quality instead of startset. There has been in complaintment about startset,which are too often in bad condition. Many customer has become dissapointed about startset. Goofy
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Goofy		#54 Posted : 17 January 2009 17:46:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		A question about MS2: Is it possible by reading locomotiv parametre in the MS2...? For example motorengine SDS or other kind of motor...? Can i reading CV value in the MS2,just like in the CS2 too...? For exemple,by using Brawas locomotivs who has decoder Version 3.5...? Goofy
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H0		#55 Posted : 17 January 2009 21:22:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,488 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />Are you nut...? We are writing only about MS2,not startsets...! Mama, weer all crazee now! I told you once and I told you twice. Now for the last time: if the starter sets are sold at the same price then MS2 from split starter sets are gonna sell at the same price as MS1 (as soon as the hype is over). I don't know the RRP of 60653. But 60652 is as expensive as a starter set with MS1. The same can be said about the transformer 6647 and will probably be the same about 60653. We're writing about MS2 and how to get it cheaply.
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john black		#56 Posted : 17 January 2009 22:14:38(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#57 Posted : 18 January 2009 10:54:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Tom... Dear little boy... I was only saying that MS2 will become more expensive than MS1 in the market. And what´s happening...? somebody are saying,that i´m wrong... Really...? Impossible,when the truth are saying that is an complete new MS2 which also costs more to created than MS1. It´s has become more advanced digitalcomponent too,which has become more expensive to producing. I don´t take care of the startsets,because there is smaller quality in the cars and locomotivs.So does even MS in the startsets too...! It´s better quality material by shopping seperat things,like locomotivs,cars,digitalsystem...etc Goofy
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Bigdaddynz		#58 Posted : 18 January 2009 11:30:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		I'm with you Tom! Goofy, Tom is referring to MS2's coming out of broken up starter sets. If the new starter sets with MS2 are no more expensive than the old sets with MS1, why should the MS2 out of those sets sell for any more than the MS1's do now? How do you know the MS2 is more expensive to produce than the old MS1? Do you have the production cost breakdowns from Marklin? The biggest cost in any new product is Research and Development and bringing it to market. Once there, it will be relatively cheap to manufacture. The Chinese or Taiwanese can probably mass produce them for $10 each!
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Goofy		#59 Posted : 18 January 2009 11:51:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Sighhh... I´m not writing about to broken up startset...! I´m writing about different in cost between MS2 from startset and MS2 itemnr:60653. Also different in cost between MS1 and MS2 with own itemnr. When an new digitalcomponents relaesed,it will always cost more than the old one...! Just take look at CS2...! It´s has become more expensive than CS1. Why...? Because it´s has become a new digitalcomponent...! So simple and easy to understand...!!! Goofy [:(!]
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mvd71		#60 Posted : 18 January 2009 11:57:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,946 Location: Auckland,		Maybe what Goofy is trying to say, is that when the new MS2 hits the market ex starter set, it will be more expensive than the MS1, because at that point in time the value of the MS1 may drop considerably. Am I on the right track Goofy? Cheers..... Mike.
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Bigdaddynz		#61 Posted : 18 January 2009 12:03:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Maybe so Goofy, but Tom's post specifically refers to broken up starter sets! What you say may be true, but what Tom says is equally just as true!
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Goofy		#62 Posted : 18 January 2009 12:10:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Maybe so Goofy, but Tom's post specifically refers to broken up starter sets! What you say may be true, but what Tom says is equally just as true! Then in case,accept my equally just as true...!!! Goofy
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Bigdaddynz		#63 Posted : 18 January 2009 12:15:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		I just did! Why don't you accept Tom's equally just as true?
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Goofy		#64 Posted : 18 January 2009 12:16:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />I just did! Why don't you accept Tom's equally just as true? He did missunderstand me...! Did you done same way too...? Goofy
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Goofy		#65 Posted : 19 January 2009 20:09:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71 <br />Maybe what Goofy is trying to say, is that when the new MS2 hits the market ex starter set, it will be more expensive than the MS1, because at that point in time the value of the MS1 may drop considerably. Am I on the right track Goofy? Cheers..... Mike. Not exactly... What i mean,is that MS2 will cost more than MS1 if you equal in standard prices between them. Goofy
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H0		#66 Posted : 20 January 2009 02:45:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,488 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />What i mean,is that MS2 will cost more than MS1 if you equal in standard prices between them. The RRP for MS1 is 149,95 Euro. We will see what the RRP for MS2 is. MS2 could be more expensive coz it now has a loco card reader. OTOH it should be cheaper coz they don't have to pay ESU anymore. The booster transistors have been moved from the MS to the connection box. This should have no effect on the total production cost (and it always was like that with the Trix MS). Fleischmann now have the Profi-Boss, so M* need a starter set controller that handles solenoids. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />I don´t take care of the startsets,because there is smaller quality in the cars and locomotivs.So does even MS in the startsets too...! It´s better quality material by shopping seperat things,like locomotivs,cars,digitalsystem...etc There are MS with 1.2 A (old H0 starter sets) and 1.9 A (new H0 starter sets, gauge 1 starter sets, sold separately). I bet that all 1.9 A MS have the same quality. I also bet that all Delta Controls, CU 6021, and CS1 have the same quality (starter set or not). Many starter set locos and cars have the same quality as items sold separately. It didn't pay for M* to have two different versions of the MS1, so they gave up. Therefore I bet there'll be only one version of the MS2. And I hope the throttles have good quality (coz they had the CS2 guinea pigs to fix the toothing problems).
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jeehring		#67 Posted : 20 January 2009 19:30:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0 <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />M* need a starter set controller that handles solenoids. Quote: Originally posted by Goofy <br />etc of the MS2. ....coz they had the CS2 guinea pigs to fix the toothing problems.... ??????? CS 2 guinea pigs....toothing problems.... ???? Don't understand , What does that mean...? [:(]
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Goofy		#68 Posted : 20 January 2009 19:49:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Ouchhh...! You shall not presentation fake and saying,that if it was me. Goofy
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Bigdaddynz		#69 Posted : 21 January 2009 10:44:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		MS2 is powered by a guinea pig running inside a wheel. I'm not sure if it had toothache or not, but apparently it got fixed!
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RayF		#70 Posted : 21 January 2009 11:01:56(UTC) Retweet
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Seetal		#71 Posted : 21 January 2009 23:12:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 548 Location: Maryland, USA		Hi Roland, My interpretation is that Tom is defining the CS2 guinea pigs as those early purchasers of the CS2. A guinea pig is a phrase used for people who buy something early and they get to experience the first version of a new product, which often times can have unexpected (and expected) issues/bugs/problems/failures/flaws/features. And as for teething, when new teeth come in or are introduced to the mouth it can be painful. So I think Tom is referring to humans who bought the first CS2 (guinea pigs) and experienced the joys of working with new technology specifically a throttle issue (teething). Then again it could be that the guinea pigs that power the CS2 were gnawing through the electronics causing the throttle problems! John
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H0		#72 Posted : 21 January 2009 23:56:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,488 Location: DE-NW		John, good interpretation. It seems the first batch of CS2s had problems with the throttles (many users had to return their units). So hopefully the hardware is beyond teethings problems now, but the software still evolves. Like bananas: it's delivered when it's green and ripens at the user's place. MS2 can be updated through a CS2. I hope the MS2 hardware will be ripe right from the start (now that the throttles have been tested).
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Goofy		#73 Posted : 22 January 2009 10:38:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Hobbystore are saying,that MS2 both from Marklin and Trix are in functional much better than the old one MS1. The throttle in MS2 is the same as in CS2...! Better quality too than MS1...! Marklin has awakening up now...! Finally... Goofy
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Goofy		#74 Posted : 22 January 2009 19:05:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		I have now seen at the news of 2009. The only i could see about MS2,it was in the startsets...! [:0] There was nothing at all about 60653... [xx(] Now what is that...? Goofy
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Goofy		#75 Posted : 22 January 2009 20:18:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		It seems that we are forced to buy a startset,just to get the new MS2... Or does MS2 itemnr:60653 become a new as MHI 1/2009...? Goofy
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Seetal		#76 Posted : 23 January 2009 19:24:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 548 Location: Maryland, USA		Hi all, Does the new Mobile Station also handle multiple protocols? It's "parent" control station CS2 does and allows you to have mutiple protocls on a track at the same time. If this is the case and the new MS does NOT support multiple protocols then there could be some serious control issues! anyone know the status of multiple protocol support? Thanks John
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Goofy		#77 Posted : 23 January 2009 20:23:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Or will Marklin presentation MS2 as springnews 2009...? Goofy
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H0		#78 Posted : 23 January 2009 21:24:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,488 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Seetal <br />anyone know the status of multiple protocol support? No, but a slave MS doesn't need to know the protocols. It only talks to the parent via CAN bus. My CU 6021 can control DCC locos (coz it's connected to my IB). It doesn't need to know about DCC or 28 speed steps, IB handles that.
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Seetal		#79 Posted : 23 January 2009 21:52:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 548 Location: Maryland, USA		Thanks Tom, that clears it up when using the MS2 as a slave. But how about when using the MS2 as the master with no other controller? i expect the answer is it only supports the Marklin protocols. Can anyone confirm? John
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Goofy		#80 Posted : 25 January 2009 10:55:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,320		Still no information about MS2...??? Goofy
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steventrain		#81 Posted : 25 January 2009 11:36:52(UTC) Retweet
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SierraDelta		#82 Posted : 28 January 2009 15:56:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 126 Location: Brussels, Belgium		Ref. pricing of the new MS2. Here is a link to a dealer that is already making it available for pre-ordering at 59.95€. But as it will come from a split-up starter set, one can only guess as to when it will arrive... http://www.needfull-toys...uheiten_2009.htm#itemno7 Still, an early indication of the possible pricerange!
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SierraDelta		#83 Posted : 28 January 2009 16:13:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 126 Location: Brussels, Belgium		Lutz, Sorry - no idea! Good boy or Bad boy? I just checked the AGB - an address in Straelen rings some sort of bell...
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laalves		#84 Posted : 28 January 2009 16:14:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by SierraDelta <br />Ref. pricing of the new MS2. Here is a link to a dealer that is already making it available for pre-ordering at 59.95€. You surely know who is "behind" this shop! Helmut Spettmann Johannes Bordat Who's he?
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mjrallare		#85 Posted : 28 January 2009 16:35:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves ... Who's he? Or maybe rather, who are they?
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Bigdaddynz		#86 Posted : 29 January 2009 07:38:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by SierraDelta <br />Lutz, Sorry - no idea! Good boy or Bad boy? I just checked the AGB - an address in Straelen rings some sort of bell... Good Boy! I've had dealings with Helmut, no issues at all. Granted, I have never had to make a warranty claim to him or send anything back, but I have always received goods as ordered.
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