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Offline Br502362  
#1 Posted : 12 March 2016 07:55:08(UTC)
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Hi,

I just found this interesting site where you can see Herman Göring's Märklin layouts.

http://marklinstop.com/tag/wwii/

attic_layout_goring.jpg

Åke
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 12 March 2016 10:55:21(UTC)
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Åke, Paul (the article's author) is a member here. I think Göring's layout has been discussed in previous threads here.
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Offline Br502362  
#3 Posted : 12 March 2016 12:56:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Åke, Paul (the article's author) is a member here. I think Göring's layout has been discussed in previous threads here.


David,

Really? I didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me. This is a great site ThumpUp

Must search for the earlier thread...

Cheers

Åke
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#4 Posted : 12 March 2016 17:46:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Br502362 Go to Quoted Post
Must search for the earlier thread...


https://www.marklin-user...was-a-Marklin-enthusiast

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Offline cookee_nz  
#5 Posted : 01 August 2019 11:01:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Br502362 Go to Quoted Post
Must search for the earlier thread...


https://www.marklin-user...was-a-Marklin-enthusiast



Always interesting resurrecting old threads

A friend sent me a link to this old news article that I did not see at the time (2013)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/w...st-relics-left-unclaimed

What I found interesting was the buildings 'possibly' from Goering's layout (see below), but also the comment "After moving his collection to Bavaria, Goering ordered Carinhall to be dynamited to prevent it falling into Soviet hands. The fate of the model trains is unknown, Enderlein says."

It's assumed that the 'collection' referred to here is the art and other classic treasures. Various other articles I have read on this topic state that the layout was destroyed with the house, with some scavengers stating that fragments of model trains, wheels etc have been found in the ruins and dirt around the grounds. I think it is now a protected site to prevent such "archaeological expeditions"

I did not realise that so much of the contents of Carinhall was still in storage. Hopefully over the years some have been reunited to the rightful owners.

Please, there is no glorification of the former regime or its adherents here, but the fate of this massive model railway has intrigued many people and I post this only as intended for those interested in the topic.

Shoe-box sized model houses.jpg
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Offline HO Collector  
#6 Posted : 03 May 2020 23:01:05(UTC)
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I have stumbled over this thread today and was debating whether to post the following or not, it is nothing to do with trains but it is about Herman Göring.

The following is a story that was told to me by my father. Until few days ago I could not corroborate parts of it, but then I read some of my father's story in another article that talked about Göring and his history, so if you are not interested just jump to the next section.

As you already know my family originates from Bavaria and that my grand great father and my grand father bought the last Bavarian Ludwigsbhan to scrap. My grand father is from Furth and Grandmother from München.

During WW1 a cousin of my grandmother served in the Luftwaffe under the command of Baron Manfred von Richthofen, the Red Baron, who was shoot down by ground fire from during the battle of the Somme. After his death Herman Göring got the command over Richthofen's squadron. He assembled all officers and told them that "We have lost this war and have to prepare to the next". The war was over and Germany was forced into a surrender that was seen by many Germen as humiliation.

At one point Herman Göring joined the young Nazi party and as a war hero was a very welcome addition and as such joined the leadership. In November 1923 he took part in the München Putch and was shot by the police. His comrades knew of a Dr. who lived very close by and took him for a treatment, this Dr. was a Jew. When the Dr. saw the people at the door he told them who he is but they didn't mined and asked him to treat the wounded Göring. After the job was done Göring thanked the Dr. and said that if he, the Dr. will ever need a favour where he, Göring can help than all he needs to do is contact him, then the war broke out.

In early 1940 there was a knock at the Dr. door, there were two S.S officers, they have told the Dr. that they were sent by Herman Göring and that there job is to escort him and his family to safety in Switzerland as Germany is becoming an unsafe place for Jews and that he and his family have to pack and come with them, they were saved by no other than Göring.

And as I go into a bit of history then there are another two which are remotely connected. .
My grandmother's cousin found his way into Dachau concentration camp. One day a new prisoner arrived, that was Herr Kisinger, he was my father's math teacher and Henry Kisinger's uncle. Many years later I took a semi academic course in military history and became friendly with one of the other guys. One day while sitting at a friends home there was a knock on the door and this guy walked in to the room. Months later I found out that Henry Kisinger was his uncle, small world.

At the above course each of us had to research a battle or event of his/her choice and present it to the rest of the group.
One evening there was a family gathering at my parents where one of my grandmother cousin's sons. During the conversation I have mentioned the course and was asked what battle I was researching. He started to interrogate me about my finding and sources. As he is an academic and knew the course leader I have thought that this is just pure curiosity, how wrong I was. When I finished he said: "That was my unit, ask me anything you want to know". My jaw dropped as I know that all those who fought the battle were killed, no one survived. To my question he said that when his commander came to call him he was not home, missed the battle and survived.

Years later a new investigation about the battle was carried out where people who have never spoke before told what they know, saw and heard. This new evidence proved my research to be nothing more than a pile of rubbish, but this is history for you, you can only rely on information that is available to you at a given time.

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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 03 May 2020 23:38:39(UTC)
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I knew the story about the doctor who helped Goering and was then allowed to leave Germany.
I also know that Goering was particularly fond of examining and seizing works of art and other belongings from Jews rounded up and herded into concentration camps.
As far as Dachau, what did you mean by "found his way into". Do you mean as a prisoner or as a guard/worker?

Many times, details in battle are forgotten or left out in descriptions, but over time, more information can come out and often changes the interpretation of the action.

Out of curiosity, which battle was it?

Regards

Mike C
Offline mvd71  
#8 Posted : 04 May 2020 08:51:26(UTC)
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Interesting story, thanks for sharing
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 04 May 2020 10:37:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I knew the story about the doctor who helped Goering and was then allowed to leave Germany.


I believe the Hitler family Doctor was also a Jew, and when Hitler became the German Fuehrer and ramped up persecution of the Jews, Hitler granted safe passage to his Jewish Doctor and family to get out of Germany.

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#10 Posted : 04 May 2020 19:19:09(UTC)
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In fact this despicable person (Hermann Göring) had a younger brother Albert, a very honorable person who saved many Jews using his brother's fame to impress the Gestapo.
Sadly he was bothered / persecuted after the war by the allies because of his name
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#11 Posted : 05 May 2020 04:50:57(UTC)
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Yes you are right - I was thinking Albert was Himmler's brother but he was in fact Göring's brother. Himmler's brothers were both NAZI party members.
Offline HO Collector  
#12 Posted : 06 May 2020 23:25:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I knew the story about the doctor who helped Goering and was then allowed to leave Germany.
I also know that Goering was particularly fond of examining and seizing works of art and other belongings from Jews rounded up and herded into concentration camps.
As far as Dachau, what did you mean by "found his way into". Do you mean as a prisoner or as a guard/worker?

Many times, details in battle are forgotten or left out in descriptions, but over time, more information can come out and often changes the interpretation of the action.

Out of curiosity, which battle was it?

Regards

Mike C


He was a prisoner. He was kept there for several months before being freed, once back home the family was sent out.
The battle is one that took place in then Palestine, today Israel. The Jewish force was made of 35 men who were on there way (from Jerusalem) to re-enforce
5 surrounded Jewish settlements (Gush Etzion, which eventually were taken by the Arabs). For years it was believed that they were spotted on route but then it was discovered that they came across a large a large group (of memory ~ 200) of Arabs militia that were trained by ex German army or SS officers. During the chase the unit tried to reach the peak (so they could control the lower ground) but were blocked and remained on lower ground. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoy_of_35

Mike
How have you know about the Dr story?
Offline mike c  
#13 Posted : 07 May 2020 02:25:30(UTC)
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I don't remember if it was one of my teachers, a book or another source. It was almost 40 years ago I guess. It could have been while I was in Germany in 1985.

Regards

Mike C
Offline cookee_nz  
#14 Posted : 07 May 2020 03:56:21(UTC)
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Gosh you'd be wondering how the families of those he 'helped' would be feeling in the relative security of their safe passage about those others, some obviously family and friends, that were not so fortunate.

I'd imagine some 'survivor guilt' would feature. Best not go too far off-topic with this.
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Offline HO Collector  
#15 Posted : 07 May 2020 23:43:36(UTC)
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I guess that they felt very lucky but there were many lucky people.
Every story that my father told me was always ended with a reminder that not all German were Nazis and tells how many simple German people have helped them and provided shelter when he and my grandmother were moving from one place to another. We all heard about the Shindler list but there were other who did the same including a Wehrmacht lorry driver who used to load the lorry with Jews and during the nights smuggled them to safety, he paid for it with his life.
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#16 Posted : 09 May 2020 19:21:28(UTC)
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