 Joined: 13/09/2017(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: New York, New york
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Hey all, This is my first post here. First off I'd like to say this is a great forum.
Got out my 30+ year old Marklin M tracks and have been refurbishing and creating a layout with my son. I recently got a Vintage 3005 for a great price off ebay and have it running pretty smooth.
My question to all you pros out here is - Can i put a smoke generator in this. I don't see a factory plate inside for power, but i have read up here that i may be able to wire this up regardless.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, my son is demanding his steam engine puffs some smoke.Lol
Thanks
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 Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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I've done all mine with smoke generators but I've put a bit of work into it. a.) drill out chimney, so long its a metal boiler, you may solder a wire onto the bottom connection and if analog to the red wire (follow the wire from the pick up shoe)
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Joined: 13/09/2017(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: New York, New york
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Originally Posted by: river6109  I've done all mine with smoke generators but I've put a bit of work into it. a.) drill out chimney, so long its a metal boiler, you may solder a wire onto the bottom connection and if analog to the red wire (follow the wire from the pick up shoe)
John thank you John My wire to the shoe is black, But I think your saying i can solder a wire from the generator to the shoe. ( just snake a wire through the same path) and solder that to the shoe pick up. so there would be 2 wires soldered there underneath the shoe. One to the engine , as is, and the second to the bottom tip of the generator.
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 Joined: 01/05/2016(UTC) Posts: 623 Location: Athens
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Here are some photos from one of mine 3005s. First a view how the chimney was before  Drill a 5mm Diameter hole in 2 or 3 steps  The view from bellow  You need to drill a small 1,5 - 2mm hole on the side of the cube that hold the body on the frame to pass through the wire, otherwise the wire will be stressed between the body and frame.   Then you can push from above a 7226 Marklin 5mm smoke generator and solder a wire as John told you. Have a nice time Regards Costas Edited by user 15 September 2017 08:14:50(UTC)
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Joined: 13/09/2017(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: New York, New york
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Thanks all- worked like a charm. I used the seithe 3.5 mm instead of the 5mm. But all went well. Thanks for the help
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Joined: 03/06/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Victoria, Melbourne
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Hi John, Are you able to assist a not-so-confident new member. Can you take some photos of your soldering job to this forum so I can follow accordingly as I have a metal 3005 that I would love to convert to steam. Cheers, Jeff Edited by user 03 June 2019 13:23:56(UTC)
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Joined: 03/06/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Victoria, Melbourne
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Hi there I think I've found the wire John was referring to - the one in Yellow box,   So do I solder the black wire from the smoke generator next to the existing black wire on the shoe as I've indicated in green? if so where does the other yellow wire go?   Cheers Jeff
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Joined: 01/05/2016(UTC) Posts: 623 Location: Athens
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Hi My conversion is totally different because was conversion to digital with 60972 DECODER LED lights, 60963 5pole DC motor cabin light, tender light ww/red. So a photo will confuse you at all, Totally different.... 10 wires from the decoder!!! I have to notice some things for your case witch is analog operation: 1. The body is metal-the smoke gen in your photo is for plastic bodies 2. Drill a 5mm hole 3. Use a 7226 or No 10 smoke generator 4. Solder a wire to the pin on the bottom of the smoke generator and pass it throught the small 2mm hole in the inside of the body.  4a. Good insulation between the bottom of the 7226 and the loco frame. - Space is just to tight.... 5 Connect this wire with the main soldering point who is on the left side of the brushplate of the motor here two black wires are already soldered 6. The earth is coming trough the loco body and frame By the way change the pick-up shoe. With something like this you can not go far  Good luck
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Joined: 03/06/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Victoria, Melbourne
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Hi there, Thank you for your explanation, that makes a bit more sense now. Just to be 100% clear: 4. Solder a wire to the pin on the bottom of the smoke generator and pass it through the small 2mm hole in the inside of the body. Is that this bit? 5 Connect this wire with the main soldering point who is on the left side of the brushplate of the motor here two black wires are already soldered So soldier it to the same blob these two wires are soldiered to in the yellow circle?  Cheers, Jeff
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Joined: 01/05/2016(UTC) Posts: 623 Location: Athens
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Hi Jeff
You are absolutely right.
That is the small 2mm hole and that is the main solder point.
If you anyway want to use the 2 cable smoke generator you have to connect the black to the main solder point and the yellow in a point that is connected to the frame (ground). I am not sure about the colors of the wires on the generator but look on the manual.
Regards
Costas
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Joined: 03/06/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Victoria, Melbourne
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I'll give it a try and post back here - thanks!
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Joined: 03/06/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Victoria, Melbourne
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I purchased a full set of drill bits and ended up using 4 of them to gradually drill up to 5mm. Even at 5mm, the seuth no.10 took a bit of convincing to get in!   Completed. I see now what you meant by tight spacing.  Edited by user 23 June 2019 13:03:26(UTC)
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Joined: 03/06/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Victoria, Melbourne
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Voila! Just a quick question though, my smoker pops loudly before the smoke comes on is that normal? I can put a video of it if it helps? 
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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sometimes it does this just to clear the tube, its like us clearing our throat with a cough,
I used a insulated piece of copper and glued it on top of the block (last photo previous post)
and than instead of drilling a hole I've shaved off a curb in the middle so the wire can get through
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 Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,472 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: jeffooi
Voila! Just a quick question though, my smoker pops loudly before the smoke comes on is that normal?
This indicative of an airlock in the smoker tube. The smoke liquid above the air has to wait until the smoke fluid below the air has heated enough to push the air bubble up the tube. The pop you hear is it finally blowing out the top of the tube.
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 Joined: 21/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,483 Location: Hrvatska
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  What time is sufficiently fast to chase the locomotive that is all well heated
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Joined: 03/06/2019(UTC) Posts: 12 Location: Victoria, Melbourne
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Very impressive - a neat trick that I will use to test my loco! but sorry I don't understand your question.
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