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Offline mgbeck_98  
#1 Posted : 08 May 2019 04:35:11(UTC)
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Hello I'm looking at my dad's Intellibox II and the output at the gleis (main digital output) is 10 to 11 volts using a voltmeter. I can measure 14v at on the main track digital output on my CS2. I'm thinking that it's in some weird state or that the Intellibox is bad.

I've tried to run known good engines on the test track with no luck.


Any ideas?
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 08 May 2019 10:49:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mgbeck_98 Go to Quoted Post
I'm thinking that it's in some weird state or that the Intellibox is bad.
You are using an inappropriate voltmeter.

To measure the track voltage, use a rectifier and set the voltmeter to DC mode.

Connect a light bulb to the track output or put a coach with interior lights on the track to test if there is voltage.
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#3 Posted : 08 May 2019 11:59:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mgbeck_98 Go to Quoted Post
I'm thinking that it's in some weird state or that the Intellibox is bad.
You are using an inappropriate voltmeter.

To measure the track voltage, use a rectifier and set the voltmeter to DC mode.

Connect a light bulb to the track output or put a coach with interior lights on the track to test if there is voltage.


Except that still does not explain no Loco operation?

When did it last work correctly?

What (if anything) has changed since?

I'd first be looking for cause and effect

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#4 Posted : 08 May 2019 14:25:41(UTC)
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Except that still does not explain no Loco operation?
Yep. He gives no information apart that he tried, so this leaves a lot of questions.
Which loco? Which protocol? "Red" and "brown" swapped?

It seems there is voltage on the track. There are dozens potential reasons why locos do not run.
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#5 Posted : 08 May 2019 16:42:00(UTC)
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Check the Intellibox is not in N gauge mode if using with HO. (First IB had such an option which altered the output voltage.)

Do you get the lower reading when it is disconnected form the layout?

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Offline mgbeck_98  
#6 Posted : 08 May 2019 17:18:29(UTC)
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I will use the rectifier and test that way. It worked approximately 6 weeks ago. It was turned off and then my dad had some health problems now the IB will not work.

I can confirm that there is track voltage. I placed an engine with a delta decoder. The lights do come on, but will not move in response to changing the throttle. I placed an engine with an older mm decoder it does not respond...

As to what has changed, I cannot say. My dad said that he didn't change anything...


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Originally Posted by: mgbeck_98 Go to Quoted Post
I'm thinking that it's in some weird state or that the Intellibox is bad.
You are using an inappropriate voltmeter.

To measure the track voltage, use a rectifier and set the voltmeter to DC mode.

Connect a light bulb to the track output or put a coach with interior lights on the track to test if there is voltage.


Except that still does not explain no Loco operation?

When did it last work correctly?

What (if anything) has changed since?

I'd first be looking for cause and effect

Cheers
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Offline rbw993  
#7 Posted : 08 May 2019 17:53:41(UTC)
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You are setting the Intellibox to the address of the locomotive, right? I know it's a dumb question but I don't know your experience level.

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Offline mgbeck_98  
#8 Posted : 08 May 2019 22:01:56(UTC)
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No worries. Yes making sure that the address is set. and the protocol is properly set.


Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
You are setting the Intellibox to the address of the locomotive, right? I know it's a dumb question but I don't know your experience level.

Regards,
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 09 May 2019 08:06:39(UTC)
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In my experience when things suddenly do not work and people say they changed nothing then quite often they accidentally swapped "red" and "brown" which causes older MM decoders to stop responding.

It could be that one phase of the IB output stage has failed and that either the positive or the negative part of the track voltage is missing, but IMHO this is unlikely. Testing both ways with a single diode and a voltmeter in DC mode should reveal that. It can't harm to have some load while measuring the track voltage, e.g. a lighted coach.

Maybe a Reset was invoked for the IB. If not then maybe a Reset will help. This may require some initialisation after the reset, e.g. setting MM as the default.
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