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Denis		#1 Posted : 28 January 2019 16:12:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Good afternoon. I recently bought my first Märklin H0 29721 Digital-Startpackung Güterverkehr. Perhaps you can tell me the answer to my problem. When I start a locomotive, it sometimes stops at low speed. It seems that the signal is lost stop burning running lights of the locomotive and it just stops. I didn't find any pattern. Pulled the locomotive back, but at the same place the signal disappeared again. Disconnected a rail on which the locomotive stops and established it in other place - its locomotive passed normally without stops. As I said, at high speed the locomotive goes non-stop. There is no such problem on an analog locomotive. Digital only. Have you heard of such problems? If you can tell me-I would be very grateful. Where to find the problem? Thanks.
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JohnjeanB		#2 Posted : 28 January 2019 16:21:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 940 Location: Paris, France		Hi Denis Welcome to the forum. If your starting set is new, you could need: - cleaning the rails (they may be covered with oily residue from manufacturing. One possibility is to use contact spray on a little rug that you wipe on rails -inspect the loco and its slider (must be protruding by 2 mm below the rail surface - be patient and let the train "run-in" so that all contacts are settled Bonne chance Jean
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Denis		#3 Posted : 28 January 2019 19:53:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Hello Jean Thanks for the quick help. I wasn't expecting :) I'll try with my son tomorrow. Thank you!
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David Dewar		#4 Posted : 28 January 2019 21:09:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 6,927 Location: Scotland		It sounds like a problem with a track part. Are you saying that if you move a track part to another site on the layout everything runs OK.
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Denis		#5 Posted : 29 January 2019 08:09:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: David Dewar It sounds like a problem with a track part. Are you saying that if you move a track part to another site on the layout everything runs OK. Yes, exactly. I will try to wipe all the same rails and wheels of the locomotive and slider (before did not do it). Then I will unsubscribe by result.
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Goofy		#6 Posted : 29 January 2019 10:36:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 8,273		It seems contact lost with the C-track. Under the track you see contact connections which sometimes default. It´s a problem that accours sometimes by hook the tracks together.
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Denis		#7 Posted : 05 February 2019 21:18:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: David Dewar It sounds like a problem with a track part. Are you saying that if you move a track part to another site on the layout everything runs OK. Good afternoon. I tried everything that was offered. Not help. Can bad rail contact? :( IMG_4386.MP4 (2,161kb) downloaded 32 time(s). IMG_4385(1).MP4 (9,186kb) downloaded 31 time(s).
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Minok		#8 Posted : 05 February 2019 21:28:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,154 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Do you have an electrical multi-meter? (to read resistance or conductivity between two points, when you touch the leads together, you get a beep sound, or an ohm read-out) If so, disconnect the track box from the track. Then go and measure conductivity between some known good location near the area and that area where the locomotive stops: 1) Between a rail and the same side rail in the area where it stops. 2) on the center contact puko in the area before the trains stops and in where it stops. If in both cases, you read conductivity, then the track is not the problem. If you get no conductivity then you have a problem in the physical electrical connections that snap together the track. It may be a bent contact.
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Purellum		#9 Posted : 05 February 2019 21:45:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,216 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Denis Good afternoon. I tried everything that was offered. Not help. Can bad rail contact? When I watch your second movie, and the second place the train stops, it looks like the pukos ( point contacts in the middle of the track ) is lower just where the train stops. Maybe that tiny voice in the background stepped on the tracks, and pushed the pukos a little down ?? You can easily push them back up by hand, just take the tracks apart and push them up in place, as hard as you can. Per.
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Denis		#10 Posted : 06 February 2019 07:23:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Denis Good afternoon. I tried everything that was offered. Not help. Can bad rail contact? When I watch your second movie, and the second place the train stops, it looks like the pukos ( point contacts in the middle of the track ) is lower just where the train stops. Maybe that tiny voice in the background stepped on the tracks, and pushed the pukos a little down ?? You can easily push them back up by hand, just take the tracks apart and push them up in place, as hard as you can. Per. Hello. Thanks for the advice and help! The voice in the background at that moment did not touch anything. I correctly understood that point contacts in the middle of the track can be pulled up? And yet, at the time of the train’s passage, does he have contact with only one point? I think that if there is contact with several points, then even if one does not reach, then others must have contact. I will check one more thing tonight: it seems to me that the analog locomotive does not stop at low speed. I will check and write the result.
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Denis		#11 Posted : 06 February 2019 07:28:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: Minok Do you have an electrical multi-meter? (to read resistance or conductivity between two points, when you touch the leads together, you get a beep sound, or an ohm read-out) If so, disconnect the track box from the track. Then go and measure conductivity between some known good location near the area and that area where the locomotive stops: 1) Between a rail and the same side rail in the area where it stops. 2) on the center contact puko in the area before the trains stops and in where it stops. If in both cases, you read conductivity, then the track is not the problem. If you get no conductivity then you have a problem in the physical electrical connections that snap together the track. It may be a bent contact. Hello. Thanks for the advice! Electrical multi-meter I have. I will check tonight. I really hope that the matter is in the rails. Locomotive and remote control are more expensive.
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Purellum		#12 Posted : 06 February 2019 10:59:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,216 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Denis I correctly understood that point contacts in the middle of the track can be pulled up? Pulled up / pushed down If something happened, the best way is to push from the underside to get them back up in place. Originally Posted by: Denis And yet, at the time of the train’s passage, does he have contact with only one point? I think that if there is contact with several points, then even if one does not reach, then others must have contact. This is correct; but the puko's all sit on the same metal bar, so not only one can be pushed down; it will usually be "some". You will see it when you study the track from the back side. I don't think it's bad connection from track to next track, in that case it would be a longer distance giving you problems. Per.
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Denis		#13 Posted : 06 February 2019 13:35:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Denis I correctly understood that point contacts in the middle of the track can be pulled up? Pulled up / pushed down If something happened, the best way is to push from the underside to get them back up in place. Originally Posted by: Denis And yet, at the time of the train’s passage, does he have contact with only one point? I think that if there is contact with several points, then even if one does not reach, then others must have contact. This is correct; but the puko's all sit on the same metal bar, so not only one can be pushed down; it will usually be "some". You will see it when you study the track from the back side. I don't think it's bad connection from track to next track, in that case it would be a longer distance giving you problems. Per. Good. Thank! I will try today.
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siroljuk		#14 Posted : 06 February 2019 15:30:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 369		Hello. I think the problem here is ground-problem from wheels to main body. If you have cleared tracks and the top of pucos then next you should Carefully clean the wheel shafts with an electronic cleaner. I have many quite old AC-locos converted to digital and when I have had problem like yours I have just cleaned shafts and wheels and after that loco will go smoothly. Regards Jukka
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Denis		#15 Posted : 06 February 2019 16:02:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: siroljuk Hello. I think the problem here is ground-problem from wheels to main body. If you have cleared tracks and the top of pucos then next you should Carefully clean the wheel shafts with an electronic cleaner. I have many quite old AC-locos converted to digital and when I have had problem like yours I have just cleaned shafts and wheels and after that loco will go smoothly. Regards Jukka Hello, Jukka. Disagree with you. On video it is badly visible, but where the locomotive goes at low speed, it is visible that when I move aside the locomotive and I release it stops in one place and position of wheels always different. When I move the locomotive, the wheels don't move. Part of the wheels of course, I wiped and that was not helpful. But today I'll try again. Thanks.
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David Dewar		#16 Posted : 06 February 2019 16:22:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 6,927 Location: Scotland		Really need to check if it is the loco or the track.. If you can get another loco and it runs OK then it is the loco that is a fault. If other locos have the same problem then it follows it is the track. As you only have a start set then I expect you do not have other locos or track parts which when changed would show where the problem is. However any Marklin start set should work without the problem you have. Do you have anybody near you if a C track layout where you can run your loco.
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Denis		#17 Posted : 07 February 2019 07:55:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Really need to check if it is the loco or the track.. If you can get another loco and it runs OK then it is the loco that is a fault. If other locos have the same problem then it follows it is the track. As you only have a start set then I expect you do not have other locos or track parts which when changed would show where the problem is. However any Marklin start set should work without the problem you have. Do you have anybody near you if a C track layout where you can run your loco. Hello David! I have 3 analog locomotives. There are no such problems with them. All go and at low speed and at high speed. I think that the problem is either in the locomotive or in the control panel. I have no other digital locomotive. For some reason, such railways are not widely spread in Russia, especially in my city of Nizhny Novgorod. I have 2 friends, but these are railways of the 90s of release. They are analog. In general, in general, I think, it is clear that further troubleshooting will not progress without another digital locomotive. Dead end. But anyway, thanks to all!
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David Dewar		#18 Posted : 07 February 2019 10:52:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 6,927 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: Denis Originally Posted by: David Dewar Really need to check if it is the loco or the track.. If you can get another loco and it runs OK then it is the loco that is a fault. If other locos have the same problem then it follows it is the track. As you only have a start set then I expect you do not have other locos or track parts which when changed would show where the problem is. However any Marklin start set should work without the problem you have. Do you have anybody near you if a C track layout where you can run your loco. Hello David! I have 3 analog locomotives. There are no such problems with them. All go and at low speed and at high speed. I think that the problem is either in the locomotive or in the control panel. I have no other digital locomotive. For some reason, such railways are not widely spread in Russia, especially in my city of Nizhny Novgorod. I have 2 friends, but these are railways of the 90s of release. They are analog. In general, in general, I think, it is clear that further troubleshooting will not progress without another digital locomotive. Dead end. But anyway, thanks to all! Hi Denis Looks like the track is OK. I dont know if you have a Marklin dealer who could check the loco for you. I presume you have reset the decoder and ensure it is clean etc. As you say another digital loco if it runs OK would confirm a fault with your loco. Could you send the loco to somebody who has Marklin (probably need to post it) and see if it works on their layout. Dont give up.
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Denis		#19 Posted : 09 February 2019 16:55:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Originally Posted by: Denis Originally Posted by: David Dewar Really need to check if it is the loco or the track.. If you can get another loco and it runs OK then it is the loco that is a fault. If other locos have the same problem then it follows it is the track. As you only have a start set then I expect you do not have other locos or track parts which when changed would show where the problem is. However any Marklin start set should work without the problem you have. Do you have anybody near you if a C track layout where you can run your loco. Hello David! I have 3 analog locomotives. There are no such problems with them. All go and at low speed and at high speed. I think that the problem is either in the locomotive or in the control panel. I have no other digital locomotive. For some reason, such railways are not widely spread in Russia, especially in my city of Nizhny Novgorod. I have 2 friends, but these are railways of the 90s of release. They are analog. In general, in general, I think, it is clear that further troubleshooting will not progress without another digital locomotive. Dead end. But anyway, thanks to all! Hi Denis Looks like the track is OK. I dont know if you have a Marklin dealer who could check the loco for you. I presume you have reset the decoder and ensure it is clean etc. As you say another digital loco if it runs OK would confirm a fault with your loco. Could you send the loco to somebody who has Marklin (probably need to post it) and see if it works on their layout. Dont give up. Good day David. Maybe not in the subject, but tell me, I can not configure the remote control from the starter kit 29721 for the Marklin 3097 BR 03 locomotive. It is not in the base of the console. Now when turned on, it just goes backwards. Can I customize it?
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Purellum		#20 Posted : 09 February 2019 17:31:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,216 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Denis I can not configure the remote control from the starter kit 29721 for the Marklin 3097 BR 03 locomotive. If nothing has been done to the 3097, it's still analog, so it can't be controlled with your MS2. You can convert the 3097 to digital, and then it will work. Others will know the details of what to buy better than me Per.
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Denis		#21 Posted : 09 February 2019 18:25:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Denis I can not configure the remote control from the starter kit 29721 for the Marklin 3097 BR 03 locomotive. If nothing has been done to the 3097, it's still analog, so it can't be controlled with your MS2. You can convert the 3097 to digital, and then it will work. Others will know the details of what to buy better than me Per. Here you go. Bought on ebay. If he even drove forward I will think. Thank you!
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Purellum		#22 Posted : 09 February 2019 19:47:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,216 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Denis Here you go. Bought on ebay. Google or just asking in this friendly forum could have saved you I think we've all been there, I know I have Originally Posted by: Denis If he even drove forward I will think. There is a trick; but I don't think I should tell you ( I can tell you; but then I have to kill you after ) You can't control the locomotive anyway, it's just full speed as soon as it touches the tracks, and I'm worried you might end up damaging you MS2 controller. Per.
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Denis		#23 Posted : 09 February 2019 20:00:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Denis Here you go. Bought on ebay. Google or just asking in this friendly forum could have saved you I think we've all been there, I know I have Originally Posted by: Denis If he even drove forward I will think. There is a trick; but I don't think I should tell you ( I can tell you; but then I have to kill you after ) You can't control the locomotive anyway, it's just full speed as soon as it touches the tracks, and I'm worried you might end up damaging you MS2 controller. Per. He did not look so old I relied that he would at least be digital. It is not necessary to kill, but it is ready to listen
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Purellum		#24 Posted : 09 February 2019 20:31:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,216 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Denis It is not necessary to kill, but it is ready to listen You do not want a locomotive that just runs full speed all the time. The price of "doing things right" and get a decoder for your locomotive is much cheaper than getting a new MS2 Trust me, I really want to help you; but I don't want to help you destroying what you have. Take a look here to see what you can do, and maybe be happy with your loco. Per.
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Denis		#25 Posted : 09 February 2019 20:34:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Denis It is not necessary to kill, but it is ready to listen You do not want a locomotive that just runs full speed all the time. The price of "doing things right" and get a decoder for your locomotive is much cheaper than getting a new MS2 Trust me, I really want to help you; but I don't want to help you destroying what you have. Take a look here to see what you can do, and maybe be happy with your loco. Per. I have to have a lot of patience with reading the site through on-line translator) I’ll not connect yet, thanks for the advice!
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Denis		#26 Posted : 25 March 2019 19:49:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Denis It is not necessary to kill, but it is ready to listen You do not want a locomotive that just runs full speed all the time. The price of "doing things right" and get a decoder for your locomotive is much cheaper than getting a new MS2 Trust me, I really want to help you; but I don't want to help you destroying what you have. Take a look here to see what you can do, and maybe be happy with your loco. Per. Good evening. Could you tell me, please, what kind of decoder will fit to my locomotive 3097? Thank you!
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TEEWolf		#27 Posted : 27 March 2019 05:50:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,413		Originally Posted by: Denis Good evening. Could you tell me, please, what kind of decoder will fit to my locomotive 3097? Thank you! Sorry did not read the total thread. But here you get the article numbers for your 3097 http://www.maerklin-samm...tiven/03097/03097_m2.htm here the explosion drawing with all spare parts numbers. http://www.maerklin-samm...03097/03097_m2_explo.pdf If you want to digitalize the loco you need first a 5-pole digital HLA motor https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/60941/ For the decoder I recommend to take a new mSD/3 decoder (60985 60986 60987). They all will fit and all are equal without the presetted sounds, which differs by a steamer, diesel and electrical presetted loco sound on the decoder. But you can change all sounds by yourself too. The 60982 is also usable, but this is only a loco decoder without sound.
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Denis		#28 Posted : 28 March 2019 07:23:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Denis Good evening. Could you tell me, please, what kind of decoder will fit to my locomotive 3097? Thank you! Sorry did not read the total thread. But here you get the article numbers for your 3097 http://www.maerklin-samm...tiven/03097/03097_m2.htm here the explosion drawing with all spare parts numbers. http://www.maerklin-samm...03097/03097_m2_explo.pdf If you want to digitalize the loco you need first a 5-pole digital HLA motor https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/60941/ For the decoder I recommend to take a new mSD/3 decoder (60985 60986 60987). They all will fit and all are equal without the presetted sounds, which differs by a steamer, diesel and electrical presetted loco sound on the decoder. But you can change all sounds by yourself too. The 60982 is also usable, but this is only a loco decoder without sound. Thank you very much friend ! Very detailed! I will try. And I correctly understood, that here (http://www.maerklin-sammler-infos.de/maerklin/lokomotiven/03097/03097_m2.htm) in the (Digitaler Hochleistungsantrieb Umbausatz (HLM) DCM) section I don't need to buy all the parts and only 60941, 516520 60985 will be enough? Vielen Dank ! Sehr detailliert! Ich werde es versuchen. Und ich habe richtig verstanden, dass hier (http://www.maerklin-sammler-infos.de/maerklin/lokomotiven/03097/03097_m2.htm) im Abschnitt (Digitaler Hochleistungsantrieb Umbausatz (HLM) DCM) muss ich nicht alle Teile kaufen und wird nur 60941, 516520 60985 ausreichen?
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TEEWolf		#29 Posted : 29 March 2019 02:46:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,413		Originally Posted by: Denis Thank you very much friend ! Very detailed! I will try. And I correctly understood, that here (http://www.maerklin-sammler-infos.de/maerklin/lokomotiven/03097/03097_m2.htm) in the (Digitaler Hochleistungsantrieb Umbausatz (HLM) DCM) section I don't need to buy all the parts and only 60941, 516520 60985 will be enough? Vielen Dank ! Sehr detailliert! Ich werde es versuchen. Und ich habe richtig verstanden, dass hier (http://www.maerklin-sammler-infos.de/maerklin/lokomotiven/03097/03097_m2.htm) im Abschnitt (Digitaler Hochleistungsantrieb Umbausatz (HLM) DCM) muss ich nicht alle Teile kaufen und wird nur 60941, 516520 60985 ausreichen? From E516520 suppress inductor (Entstördrossel) you probabely need 2 of them. See here at a picture by our marklin-users.net member @dickinsonj from his update of his 30 year old 103 with an mSD/3 decoder.
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Denis		#30 Posted : 29 March 2019 07:11:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Denis Thank you very much friend ! Very detailed! I will try. And I correctly understood, that here (http://www.maerklin-sammler-infos.de/maerklin/lokomotiven/03097/03097_m2.htm) in the (Digitaler Hochleistungsantrieb Umbausatz (HLM) DCM) section I don't need to buy all the parts and only 60941, 516520 60985 will be enough? Vielen Dank ! Sehr detailliert! Ich werde es versuchen. Und ich habe richtig verstanden, dass hier (http://www.maerklin-sammler-infos.de/maerklin/lokomotiven/03097/03097_m2.htm) im Abschnitt (Digitaler Hochleistungsantrieb Umbausatz (HLM) DCM) muss ich nicht alle Teile kaufen und wird nur 60941, 516520 60985 ausreichen? From E516520 suppress inductor (Entstördrossel) you probabely need 2 of them. See here at a picture by our marklin-users.net member @dickinsonj from his update of his 30 year old 103 with an mSD/3 decoder. Thank you! I will order and try. The result will write to you what happened. Thank you!
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Purellum		#31 Posted : 29 March 2019 20:23:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,216 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf From E516520 suppress inductor (Entstördrossel) you probabely need 2 of them. Take care. If you order E516520 by Märklin, you get 20 pieces, while most dealers will sell you just 2 or 4. Per.
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TEEWolf		#32 Posted : 30 March 2019 02:34:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,413		Originally Posted by: Denis Thank you! I will order and try. The result will write to you what happened. Thank you! Obviously you speak German. Here is an interesting link to the homepage of a Swiss guy, which I can really recommend. https://www.stayathome.ch/ He is writing about all sections of a MRR and explaining everthing very good or setting a forwarding link for further researches. But he only does it in German. He also has its own business in software engineering. https://www.teddy.ch/
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TEEWolf		#33 Posted : 30 March 2019 02:35:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,413		Originally Posted by: Denis Thank you! I will order and try. The result will write to you what happened. Thank you! Obviously you speak German. Here is an interesting link to the homepage of a Swiss guy, which I can really recommend. https://www.stayathome.ch/ He is writing about all sections of a MRR and explaining everthing very good or setting a forwarding link for further researches. But he only does it in German. He also has his own business in software engineering. https://www.teddy.ch/
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Denis		#34 Posted : 26 April 2019 17:44:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Denis Good evening. Could you tell me, please, what kind of decoder will fit to my locomotive 3097? Thank you! Sorry did not read the total thread. But here you get the article numbers for your 3097 http://www.maerklin-samm...tiven/03097/03097_m2.htm here the explosion drawing with all spare parts numbers. http://www.maerklin-samm...03097/03097_m2_explo.pdf If you want to digitalize the loco you need first a 5-pole digital HLA motor https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/60941/ For the decoder I recommend to take a new mSD/3 decoder (60985 60986 60987). They all will fit and all are equal without the presetted sounds, which differs by a steamer, diesel and electrical presetted loco sound on the decoder. But you can change all sounds by yourself too. The 60982 is also usable, but this is only a loco decoder without sound. Good afternoon. I can't. When you turn on the sound is as if a short circuit. What's wrong?
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Denis		#35 Posted : 27 April 2019 12:22:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Denis Good evening. Could you tell me, please, what kind of decoder will fit to my locomotive 3097? Thank you! Sorry did not read the total thread. But here you get the article numbers for your 3097 http://www.maerklin-samm...tiven/03097/03097_m2.htm here the explosion drawin 1_Malen'kijj.mp4 (16,626kb) downloaded 13 time(s).g with all spare parts numbers. http://www.maerklin-samm...03097/03097_m2_explo.pdf If you want to digitalize the loco you need first a 5-pole digital HLA motor https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/60941/ For the decoder I recommend to take a new mSD/3 decoder (60985 60986 60987). They all will fit and all are equal without the presetted sounds, which differs by a steamer, diesel and electrical presetted loco sound on the decoder. But you can change all sounds by yourself too. The 60982 is also usable, but this is only a loco decoder without sound. When you press "STOP" there is a sound. Maybe this motor is not suitable for my decoder? Motor 60941 MFX 60985 Decoder 1_Malen'kijj.mp4 (16,626kb) downloaded 13 time(s).
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TEEWolf		#36 Posted : 30 April 2019 22:11:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,413		Originally Posted by: Denis When you press "STOP" there is a sound. Maybe this motor is not suitable for my decoder? Motor 60941 MFX 60985 Decoder 1_Malen'kijj.mp4 (16,626kb) downloaded 13 time(s). Hello Denis, why did you choose the 60985 decoder instead the 60975? You got enough space for all decoders in the tender behind the loco. Is the loco running with your new decoder? Do you have sometimes sound or does the loco nothing at all? Unfortunately you provide us not very much with information. But nobody knows here what actually you have done, if you do not document it here. An advice is then impossible. If you are writing better in German than in English send me a PM in German please. But please do pictures and not a video. pictures are more precise than a video. I do not think that the motor and/or decoder is not suitable for your loco. I guess more, you did not take enough attention about the connecting and soldered points between decoder and engine. Did you download the manual at Märklin's website and follow all their instructions? https://static.maerklin....8605e6b79e1515411323.pdf Also did you find the conversion instructions for the loco 3085? http://www.maerklin-samm...omotiven/03085/03085.htm It is another article number, but the conversion work for the loco is the same. So you can use it for your purpose, even they used an ESU decoder, but for the differences to the Märklin decoder you got the Märklin decoder manual. Best Regards Wolfgang
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Denis		#37 Posted : 13 May 2019 16:33:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2019(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Nizhegorodskaya oblast', Nizhniy Novgorod		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Originally Posted by: Denis Originally Posted by: David Dewar Really need to check if it is the loco or the track.. If you can get another loco and it runs OK then it is the loco that is a fault. If other locos have the same problem then it follows it is the track. As you only have a start set then I expect you do not have other locos or track parts which when changed would show where the problem is. However any Marklin start set should work without the problem you have. Do you have anybody near you if a C track layout where you can run your loco. Hello David! I have 3 analog locomotives. There are no such problems with them. All go and at low speed and at high speed. I think that the problem is either in the locomotive or in the control panel. I have no other digital locomotive. For some reason, such railways are not widely spread in Russia, especially in my city of Nizhny Novgorod. I have 2 friends, but these are railways of the 90s of release. They are analog. In general, in general, I think, it is clear that further troubleshooting will not progress without another digital locomotive. Dead end. But anyway, thanks to all! Hi Denis Looks like the track is OK. I dont know if you have a Marklin dealer who could check the loco for you. I presume you have reset the decoder and ensure it is clean etc. As you say another digital loco if it runs OK would confirm a fault with your loco. Could you send the loco to somebody who has Marklin (probably need to post it) and see if it works on their layout. Dont give up. Good afternoon. Now that I have 2 digital locomotives, I can say that only the locomotive in the 29721 set is having difficulty moving. Other locomotives are ideal for driving at low speeds. it turns out the problem is in the locomotive kit 29721. Order another decoder 60985? :(
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TEEWolf		#38 Posted : 13 May 2019 17:47:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,413		Originally Posted by: Denis Good afternoon. Now that I have 2 digital locomotives, I can say that only the locomotive in the 29721 set is having difficulty moving. Other locomotives are ideal for driving at low speeds. it turns out the problem is in the locomotive kit 29721. Order another decoder 60985? :( Well, the 29721 is your digital starter set and it is a nice and good one, even with the loco inside. It is a BR 94.5 with the name BR 094 713 DB. This is important, because it came with an mfx decoder already. Others in starter sets sometimes have only fx (= MM2) decoders. So I do not think to change its decoder inside. Although this loco has a HLA motor inside. This is a good (but for these days meanwhile by Märklin a standard equipped) locomotive. Do you think it is not running well? What is your loco doing? Which one is your other loco and this has an new mSD/3 decoder inside? What does the other digital loco better? I have to confess, I also have a variety of different locos with mfx decoders inside and there are differences in running as well. But I would not say one of them is running badly or behave strange. I will say that there are some locos meanwhile are running extraordinaryly good. Like my BR 65 Insider or my Insider shunting Crocodile. Gosh, they are really extremly good, smooth and sensitive running locos. Can it be that you are comparing a very good running loco with an only good running loco and think it is not good enough? Well, yes than you might change to an Glockenanker motor https://www.sb-modellbau.com/ https://www.stayathome.ch/motoren.htm and a mSD/3 decoder. Cost a lot of money and might have a better running condition as well. But this money I would invest in another new digital loco.
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Purellum		#39 Posted : 13 May 2019 19:01:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,216 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Do you think it is not running well? What is your loco doing? Which one is your other loco and this has an new mSD/3 decoder inside? What does the other digital loco better? Have you considered re-reading the thread instead of just asking questions? Per.
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