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Offline TEEWolf  
#301 Posted : 18 January 2019 23:19:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
According to my German Märklin dealer, the golden Croc (32560) is sold out at Märklin, i.e. all of the 3,500 locos have been pre-ordered by dealers, just a few days after the news brochure was published. The Märklin product database says 'sold out' as well. Crazy, isn't it?

Best regards,

Mark


Indeed weird
Offline TEEWolf  
#302 Posted : 18 January 2019 23:34:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TGV POS Go to Quoted Post
This year, It will surely be the Colas train 39214 with 47103 and the br 333 36344 with wagon dumper 46914 and 46913.
The ICE 4 will be for 2020 Laugh


Colas at the Loire! LOL Love Times are changing - no red wine any longer?Woot
Offline mrmarklin  
#303 Posted : 19 January 2019 01:34:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
According to my German Märklin dealer, the golden Croc (32560) is sold out at Märklin, i.e. all of the 3,500 locos have been pre-ordered by dealers, just a few days after the news brochure was published. The Märklin product database says 'sold out' as well. Crazy, isn't it?

Best regards,

Mark


Likely just hype. I have a difficult time believing that 3,500 of these is an easy sell. Dealers tend to be over optimistic. Cool
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Offline sjbartels  
#304 Posted : 19 January 2019 06:33:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
According to my German Märklin dealer, the golden Croc (32560) is sold out at Märklin, i.e. all of the 3,500 locos have been pre-ordered by dealers, just a few days after the news brochure was published. The Märklin product database says 'sold out' as well. Crazy, isn't it?

Best regards,

Mark


Likely just hype. I have a difficult time believing that 3,500 of these is an easy sell. Dealers tend to be over optimistic. Cool


I'm not buying this either... very few dealers are going to want to order right away and stock the shelves... that's a lot of cash sitting on the shelf that may or may not sell...
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Offline Minok  
#305 Posted : 19 January 2019 07:00:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
According to my German Märklin dealer, the golden Croc (32560) is sold out at Märklin, i.e. all of the 3,500 locos have been pre-ordered by dealers, just a few days after the news brochure was published. The Märklin product database says 'sold out' as well. Crazy, isn't it?

Best regards,

Mark


Likely just hype. I have a difficult time believing that 3,500 of these is an easy sell. Dealers tend to be over optimistic. Cool


Not sure about that. They sold golden locos before and if that hadn’t worked they wouldn’t be doing more of it. The collectors and the market must be there.
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Offline RayF  
#306 Posted : 19 January 2019 09:53:46(UTC)
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Honestly, I fail to see the appeal of a gold, silver or otherwise decorated model locomotive, unless there is a prototype that was so painted.

Yes, there have always been what we call here "fantasy" locos, in other circles called "freelance" models. Usually you can use your imagination to run one of these on your layout. However I cannot see any way that my imagination would stretch to a real loco having been gold plated, even for a very special occasion!

The only reason left for buying such a loco must therefore be to put it in a display case. While this seems to be a worthwhile past-time for many collectors I'm afraid that for me it is a waste of money that could be spent on more realistic models.

I apologise if my opinion offends anyone, but I just don't understand the whole "collector" thing.
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Offline petestra  
#307 Posted : 19 January 2019 13:55:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Honestly, I fail to see the appeal of a gold, silver or otherwise decorated model locomotive, unless there is a prototype that was so painted.

Yes, there have always been what we call here "fantasy" locos, in other circles called "freelance" models. Usually you can use your imagination to run one of these on your layout. However I cannot see any way that my imagination would stretch to a real loco having been gold plated, even for a very special occasion!

The only reason left for buying such a loco must therefore be to put it in a display case. While this seems to be a worthwhile past-time for many collectors I'm afraid that for me it is a waste of money that could be spent on more realistic models.

I apologise if my opinion offends anyone, but I just don't understand the whole "collector" thing.


Yes, Ray. I agree completely. I have always believed our trains and hobby are meant to be enjoyed to their fullest. Just to buy an item because it's shiny and a piece

which will be made in limited numbers is ridiculous, I think. Then it's placed on a shelf and visitors will say how pretty it is (maybe) and then the owner will say how

much it's worth and who knows if it will go up or down in value in the coming decades? Peter. Huh
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Offline Mikael  
#308 Posted : 19 January 2019 14:39:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
According to my German Märklin dealer, the golden Croc (32560) is sold out at Märklin, i.e. all of the 3,500 locos have been pre-ordered by dealers, just a few days after the news brochure was published. The Märklin product database says 'sold out' as well. Crazy, isn't it?


Not too crazy. The same thing happened last year with the limited edition "Rheingold 1928" set.
Märklin pre-allocates a number of sets for each dealer, probably to give all dealers a chance to get some. Thus they are now "sold out" as all are reserved.
Later, when dealers have had time to order the amount they want, the surplus (if any) is sold as usual.
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Offline bph  
#309 Posted : 19 January 2019 15:24:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Why new Power feeder for the digital system?? Confused


The black color to mach the CS3
Offline kiwiAlan  
#310 Posted : 19 January 2019 19:28:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Why new Power feeder for the digital system?? Confused


The black color to mach the CS3


They already have black versions of the 60061 and 60101, so that is not the reason.

This change seems to be purely to have a switchable output voltage for driving accessories, and possibly for use with N scale with Minitrix marketing in mind. Also they have formalised that all of them are 100-240V input and the only difference is the mains plug.

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Offline Mark_1602  
#311 Posted : 19 January 2019 21:25:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mikael Go to Quoted Post
Märklin pre-allocates a number of sets for each dealer, probably to give all dealers a chance to get some. Thus they are now "sold out" as all are reserved.
Later, when dealers have had time to order the amount they want, the surplus (if any) is sold as usual.


It's true that some dealers pre-order items without having any customers' orders for them, but my German dealer is one of the biggest in Germany and he puts all the items he has pre-ordered on his website. Whenever he says that a loco is sold out, that means his customers have ordered all of the items that have been allocated to him, and he gets a bigger share of special models than other dealers. Some shops speculate that they can sell a few golden Crocs at a higher price half a year later, but I believe that the majority of the 3,500 locos must have been ordered by customers.

I would never have considered buying anything like this, but the Croc collectors want it. Without such customers, Märklin wouldn't exist any more ...

Best regards,

Mark
Best regards, Mark

I like Märklin vintage models, but also digital locos & non-vintage rolling stock (focus on Denmark, era 5-6).
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Offline steventrain  
#312 Posted : 19 January 2019 21:57:37(UTC)
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Planning delivery dates

See delivery topic - >2019 Delivery list<

39880/39882 BR44 PLUS MATCHING 46210 HOPPERS - MARCH
39150 BR103 - Q2
Gold crocodile - Late Q2
39520 - Q3
ALL ICE4 NOW Q3/2020

I cannot confirm 100% dates.

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#313 Posted : 20 January 2019 00:16:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Why new Power feeder for the digital system?? Confused


The black color to mach the CS3


They already have black versions of the 60061 and 60101, so that is not the reason.

Sorry, that is wrong, they hadn't changed the switched mode power supply colours, but they have changed the booster colour, and I was thinking they had also changed the power supplies. So this is one part of the reason for introducing the new ones.

The other change seems to be purely to have a switchable output voltage for driving accessories, and possibly for use with N scale with Minitrix marketing in mind. Also they have formalised that all of them are 100-240V input and the only difference is the mains plug.




[edit] edited to correct error on colour of power supplies [/edit]

Offline Levent  
#314 Posted : 20 January 2019 01:49:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Levent Go to Quoted Post
39714 ice 4 scale 1:93, disapointed
Piko ice 4 full scale lenght
Guess i am jumping on piko s model


Its 1:95 according to the text, but given that the icon is the 1:93.5 and then the text says 1:95 is confusing.
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This is a good thing in my book as I don't care for the 1:87 length long coaches as the just look out of place on my layout design.
This way customers have a choice - if you want 1:87 length, you have one make, if you perfer the shorter (whatever it actually will be) you have another make.

With a slight reroute (quite conceivable on the current DB network ), the München - Mannheim - Hamburg Altona route is even somewhat on point for my layout plan.


Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Levent Go to Quoted Post
39714 ice 4 scale 1:93, disapointed
Piko ice 4 full scale lenght
Guess i am jumping on piko s model


Hi Levent,

Well Maerklin do put a lot of emphasis on playability, as in being able to negotiate typical home built layouts with tight curves.
It is only the length that is scaled to 1:93.5, the width and height (and wheels) are likely 1:87.

I myself rather like the way Maerklin mix the scales to keep things operationally practical.
They know what they are doing ....

When you think about it ... it is the same as photographing a train with a telephoto lens, the horizontal perspective is squeezed, but not noticeable in the vertical.

regards
Kimball



Believe me i was really looking forward to ice 4 when it first leaked but when i first saw the 2019 pdf it was like wtf, i know m cannot please every one but then again people like me obsessed with the correct 1/87 length will have a hard time chewing the shortened version.
As i mentioned before i sat my eyes on piko s version which hopefully will be in the correct length
Regards Levent

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Offline I_love_Marklin_37538  
#315 Posted : 20 January 2019 04:21:16(UTC)
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I have been emailing Modellbahnshoppe Lippe lately letting them know they have not listed the 37119 as I am trying to pre order it
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#316 Posted : 20 January 2019 09:20:07(UTC)
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Have some patience Alex, they'll get to it when they get to it. I'm sure they already know they haven't listed it...
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