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Offline dominator  
#51 Posted : 23 September 2016 09:04:36(UTC)
dominator

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I Have replaced the leads on all my 6 old blue trannys.

Just a note. An electric linesman was working on a transformer up a pole by the airport in Kerikeri. happened and a white hot lump of copper fell down and set fire to the wetlands by the airport. The whole lot burned up. The wetlands have all grown back but it just shows that even if you know what you are doing, shit happens.

The world is turning to crap slowly with regulations, and we will soon need a license to wipe our own asses.

DereckFlapper Flapper Flapper Flapper Flapper
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Offline xxup  
#52 Posted : 23 September 2016 09:29:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dominator Go to Quoted Post
...and we will soon need a license to wipe our own asses....


Too late.. Blushing I think that there is an EU regulation covering this one.. LOL It was probably the Britexit trigger - Laugh
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Offline cookee_nz  
#53 Posted : 23 September 2016 09:41:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dominator Go to Quoted Post
I Have replaced the leads on all my 6 old blue trannys.

Just a note. An electric linesman was working on a transformer up a pole by the airport in Kerikeri. happened and a white hot lump of copper fell down and set fire to the wetlands by the airport. The whole lot burned up. The wetlands have all grown back but it just shows that even if you know what you are doing, shit happens.

The world is turning to crap slowly with regulations, and we will soon need a license to wipe our own asses.

DereckFlapper Flapper Flapper Flapper Flapper


What the hell, you're actually allowed to do that up there?

Down here we are required to hold it all in, until there's enough crap inside for us to become politicians!!

I'm speaking to my MP....
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Offline Markus Schild  
#54 Posted : 23 September 2016 10:34:02(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Originally Posted by: Jabez Go to Quoted Post
I recently asked here (Blue Transformer for accessories, HO threads) if there were any safety issues concerning the much more recent (1980s) 6611 lighting transformer with which I intend to use to power accessories on an otherwise digi layout. Todate there is no response, My assumption is that the 6611 is not subject to the deteriorated insulation dangers of the much earlier trafo models being discussed on this thread.


Hi,

The 6611, which has a plastic-case, is not known for safety-issues in any way.

Regards

Markus


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Offline RayF  
#55 Posted : 23 September 2016 10:42:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jabez Go to Quoted Post
I recently asked here (Blue Transformer for accessories, HO threads) if there were any safety issues concerning the much more recent (1980s) 6611 lighting transformer with which I intend to use to power accessories on an otherwise digi layout. Todate there is no response, My assumption is that the 6611 is not subject to the deteriorated insulation dangers of the much earlier trafo models being discussed on this thread.


Hi,

The 6611, which has a plastic-case, is not known for safety-issues in any way.

Regards

Markus




The only safety issue inherent in all blue transformers is that they are bidirectional. When using multiple transformers it is possiblt to connect the layout wiring in such a way that when you unplug one transformer you get mains voltage on the pins of your plug and a subsequent risk of electrocution. In this case the transformer is working backwards and coverting the 16V of the layout into 120/230 V at the other end.

The instructions for these older transformers always carried a warning about this.

The latest switched-mode power supplies don't have this problem at all.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#56 Posted : 23 September 2016 11:31:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Down here we are required to hold it all in, until there's enough crap inside for us to become politicians!!


You should know that you should never hold your farts in. If you do, they travel up your spine into your head and that's where crappy ideas come from!

To Jabez, Ray is right - the blue transformers do not have any back transformer protection, whereas the newer white and grey transformers do.
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Offline Markus Schild  
#57 Posted : 23 September 2016 11:59:38(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post


To Jabez, Ray is right - the blue transformers do not have any back transformer protection, whereas the newer white and grey transformers do.


Hi,

Caution: Not all grey/white transformers have that protection. Earlier models don't have it. I don't know any feature to see from the outside whether the transformer is equipped with the electronic or not. The best way is to handle all transformers with the same precautions.

Regards

Markus
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Offline TEEWolf  
#58 Posted : 23 September 2016 19:11:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: seatrains Go to Quoted Post

Wait, quick fetch it from the trash and get it to Germany to be exchanged for the new digital Marklin products...BigGrin


Ahhh - yes I had the same idea. But as myself, I guess you misunderstood something. In the Insider news 02/2006 (yes a long time ago - but Maerklin still shall change the transformers) on page # 06 Maerklin announced this program.

(Link: Märklin Insider News 02/2006
sorry, this is in German – please, may somebody help me to find the English version?)

They change old transformers to new transformers. Costs shall be about 50 €, but no change to a digital equipment. But you can use this transformers to control e.g. the lights on your layout. OK, this you may do it with any other transformer as well and perhaps even for a cheaper price. But if you choose a Maerklin transformer with a potentiometer than you can easily regulate the brightness of your lights. In any case you will have more amperage left for your digital locos.
Offline Webmaster  
#59 Posted : 23 September 2016 21:26:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jabez Go to Quoted Post
I recently asked here (Blue Transformer for accessories, HO threads) if there were any safety issues concerning the much more recent (1980s) 6611 lighting transformer

I have a 6611 which I intend to use exactly the same way as you do, no issues with that.

The older 50's-60's transformers rubber cable insulation hardens & crumble so when you bend it - it crumbles both the outer cable isolation and the inner lead isolation.

The 6611 has a grey plastic cable insulation of modern standards so it's safe to use, unless there is some damage on the mains cable...

The older transformers have a metal casing that can cause electrical shocks if gone bad, the more modern ones have a plastic casing and thus less dangerous...
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline Z-nerd  
#60 Posted : 31 December 2016 15:32:04(UTC)
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Until today I had one of those old metal transformators, lately it started to emit a sound when I touched the electric cable .
After I have read this thread I decided it wasnt worth keeping it. At the swedish Ebay no one buys them either because of the high shipping cost.



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Offline Coltding  
#61 Posted : 02 July 2018 19:57:07(UTC)
Coltding

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As a newbie to the board I was interested in this old thread about the 6153 transformer. I was looking to see if anyone can tell me why I am only getting 9V to my indicator bulb. The Marklin Man in North Carolina says that the correct bulb is 18V and indeed, I am getting a dramatically reduced glow from the new bulb. Any thoughts on what I can do? I take full responsibility for anything I may attempt in resolving this issue as I have had the appropriate training in working with 110V current. Thanks guys.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#62 Posted : 02 July 2018 20:07:44(UTC)
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how are you measuring the 9 Volts? The current is AC so you need to use a meter that can measure AC RMS Voltage...
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Offline H0  
#63 Posted : 02 July 2018 21:08:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Coltding Go to Quoted Post
I was looking to see if anyone can tell me why I am only getting 9V to my indicator bulb.
The correct connection for light bulbs is between yellow and brown.
Between yellow and red or between red and brown you will get varying voltages, depending on the setting of the speedknob.

Is the transformer rated for 220 V?
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Offline mike c  
#64 Posted : 03 July 2018 01:16:19(UTC)
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My guess would be that if you are getting 9V instead of 18V, that you are powering a 220V transformer with 110V instead.
For modellers in USA/Canada, I would recommend getting a proper North American transformer rather than using a step up converter.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Markus Schild  
#65 Posted : 03 July 2018 07:31:44(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Originally Posted by: Coltding Go to Quoted Post
As a newbie to the board I was interested in this old thread about the 6153 transformer. I was looking to see if anyone can tell me why I am only getting 9V to my indicator bulb.


Hi,

#6153 is the correct number for an UL-listed 110/115V transformer. Are we talking about the bulb inside the transformer?

Regards

Markus
Offline NS1200  
#66 Posted : 03 July 2018 09:39:20(UTC)
NS1200

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Originally Posted by: dominator Go to Quoted Post
I Have replaced the leads on all my 6 old blue trannys.

Just a note. An electric linesman was working on a transformer up a pole by the airport in Kerikeri. happened and a white hot lump of copper fell down and set fire to the wetlands by the airport. The whole lot burned up. The wetlands have all grown back but it just shows that even if you know what you are doing, shit happens.

The world is turning to crap slowly with regulations, and we will soon need a license to wipe our own asses.

DereckFlapper Flapper Flapper Flapper Flapper


What??????

Does Kerikeri have an airport?????Flapper Flapper Flapper Tongue Tongue Tongue ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp

Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline river6109  
#67 Posted : 04 July 2018 03:48:42(UTC)
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The world is turning to crap slowly with regulations, and we will soon need a license to wipe our own asses.

DereckFlapper Flapper Flapper Flapper Flapper


not without a Union ticket LOL LOL LOL
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Offline cookee_nz  
#68 Posted : 04 July 2018 13:13:14(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: dominator Go to Quoted Post
I Have replaced the leads on all my 6 old blue trannys.

Just a note. An electric linesman was working on a transformer up a pole by the airport in Kerikeri. happened and a white hot lump of copper fell down and set fire to the wetlands by the airport. The whole lot burned up. The wetlands have all grown back but it just shows that even if you know what you are doing, shit happens.

The world is turning to crap slowly with regulations, and we will soon need a license to wipe our own asses.

DereckFlapper Flapper Flapper Flapper Flapper


What??????

Does Kerikeri have an airport?????Flapper Flapper Flapper Tongue Tongue Tongue ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp



I'm still reeling over having electricity up there !! :-)
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Offline TEEWolf  
#69 Posted : 05 July 2018 03:05:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post

What??????

Does Kerikeri have an airport?????Flapper Flapper Flapper Tongue Tongue Tongue ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp



Well they do and they even have their own runway.Laugh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerikeri_Airport

https://web.archive.org/....kerikeri-airport.co.nz/

This for only 7.400 people.Wink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerikeri
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#70 Posted : 05 July 2018 04:46:58(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Kerikeri also has the best orange juice I've ever tasted!

Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
This for only 7.400 people.Wink


Yes, but the area is a very popular tourist destination.
Offline kimballthurlow  
#71 Posted : 05 July 2018 09:09:57(UTC)
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They say orange is the world's favorite flavour.

I have mainly post-2005 Maerklin items, but I once purchased 2 blue transformers with other stuff.
I immediately packed them off to Maerklin in Germany, who sent me 2 new grey ones, and I think they cost me 20 Euros each.

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Offline NS1200  
#72 Posted : 05 July 2018 21:18:56(UTC)
NS1200

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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Kerikeri also has the best orange juice I've ever tasted!

Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
This for only 7.400 people.Wink


Yes, but the area is a very popular tourist destination.


Orange juice is out of fashion,too much sugar.

Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline NS1200  
#73 Posted : 05 July 2018 21:35:42(UTC)
NS1200

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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post

What??????

Does Kerikeri have an airport?????Flapper Flapper Flapper Tongue Tongue Tongue ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp



Well they do and they even have their own runway.Laugh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerikeri_Airport

https://web.archive.org/....kerikeri-airport.co.nz/

This for only 7.400 people.Wink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerikeri


I worked in NZ in 1982 and saw most of both islands.
Nice country and easy going people.
I was not at Kerikeri,came as far north as the Bay of Islands.
I saw planes landing at Windy Wellington,not something for the weakhearted.
I suppose the distances warrant local airports.
Some names refer to Dutch explorer Abel Tasman,who was there on 13 December 1642,well before James Cook.


Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline TEEWolf  
#74 Posted : 05 July 2018 23:27:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
They say orange is the world's favorite flavour.

I have mainly post-2005 Maerklin items, but I once purchased 2 blue transformers with other stuff.
I immediately packed them off to Maerklin in Germany, who sent me 2 new grey ones, and I think they cost me 20 Euros each.

Kimball


But you are well aware a real "Radler" is always a mixture of cold beer and cold limpid citron lemonade. Mostly mixed 50/50 or 60/40. In these days with its high temperatures (in South Germany), it is just and only refreshing.

Beer with Orange - well you can get it too. But it tastes different. Last week I drunk beer mixed with red grapefruit for the first time. Not bad. But my second drink was again beer with citron lemonade.Wink

TEEWolf
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Offline wojo12  
#75 Posted : 04 January 2019 20:29:34(UTC)
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Is there a list somewhere of the transformers which should be checked? Is the 6177 in that category?

John
MrB32  
#76 Posted : 04 January 2019 20:44:34(UTC)
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yep, the 6177 is in that category.

Buy a new 6647 or 66471, it is a little expense in comparison with gain in safety.
Offline David Dewar  
#77 Posted : 04 January 2019 23:42:50(UTC)
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I can only repeat what I always say. By an up to date power pack and controller as the basis of a layout which will ( at least mine do) last for years. I don't see the point in spending on expensive locos etc and trying to save on what drives them. However it is down to what budget you have on model rail.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline cookee_nz  
#78 Posted : 05 January 2019 03:54:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wojo12 Go to Quoted Post
Is there a list somewhere of the transformers which should be checked? Is the 6177 in that category?

John


Hi John,

At the risk of incurring wrath..... Personally I do not consider the 6177 to be an 'at risk' device ** as far as this specific safety warning topic goes **

The reason is simple, the 6177 has a PVC mains cord, not a rubber one. It's the risk from perished rubber which is the primary concern.

However, as an 'older' electrical device, it is always wise to have it checked if you have any concerns. If you have it checked by a professional including an internal inspection, and it is found to be safe, no brittle plastic, loose screws etc, then you can continue to use it safely and perhaps have it rechecked in 5 years or so.

I know there are views on this at both ends of the spectrum, but this is not confined just to model railways, it applies to any older appliance, power tool etc that you may have around the home.

If you have an analogue layout and wish to have everything typical of the era then you may personally find your 6177 to be visually appealing and that would be a valid reason for continuing to use it instead of replacing it, although you could achieve a good compromise by moving to a Plastic-case Blue Trafo.

BUT.... (always a 'but') - if you run any Digital equipment, or are considering it then you are less likely to be concerned about aesthetics and the move to a newer 'modern' Trafo designed for Digital compatibility would be a smart move.

Keep in mind that there are many many mains-powered electrical products that now fall into the 'vintage' category which enthusiasts still use without any issues.

Common-sense plays a big part, and if you have any doubt then certainly do look at replacement options, but if you like the look, the 'feel', and the operation of your older Blue Trafo then consider having it checked for peace of mind.

I'll add as a last thought that I have read reports of some newer white controllers failing - not because of safety concerns, usually a broken wire for the speed control or a failed thermostat.

Hope this gives you some balance.

Best for the New Year

Stephen
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