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Goofy		#1 Posted : 23 October 2018 12:33:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		I did connect m83 to the CS3 and Rocos semaphore to the m83. When i switch off the CS3 and turn on again the semaphore change automatic while the symbol in the screen CS3 stand vice verse. It happens every time. Why? Both m83 and m84 was connecting together and only m84 was feeding the wires from the CS3. I did tested alone m83 too but same problem anyway about semaphore changed. Second problem are LED standing position in the m83. It doesn´t lighting just only when i change switch.
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Purellum		#2 Posted : 23 October 2018 21:54:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Have you looked in the technical manual, and set the correct parameters / CVs for pulse width etc. for the m83 ?? Try with just a multimeter, bulb or LED on the output of the m83, so you can see what happens. Per.
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Goofy		#3 Posted : 23 October 2018 22:57:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		mfx m83 are set standard by of Märklin.
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Purellum		#4 Posted : 23 October 2018 23:20:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy mfx m83 are set standard by of Märklin. How should Märklin know if you are using C-track, K-track or M-track; Normal turnouts, 3-way turnouts or double slip switches? In your case you are using a ROCO semaphore, and you think the CVs for your semaphore is set as standard by Märklin ??? I'm trying to help you; but you just don't want to be helped. Per.
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 24 October 2018 06:59:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Rocos semaphore has magnet motor are same like Märklins turnout motor. You need only switch about 200 ms. The mfx m83 are set this as standard by of Märklin.
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Purellum		#6 Posted : 24 October 2018 09:34:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy You need only switch about 200 ms. The mfx m83 are set this as standard by of Märklin. Is this not the answer to your second question?? Originally Posted by: Goofy Second problem are LED standing position in the m83. It doesn´t lighting just only when i change switch. Per.
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Goofy		#7 Posted : 24 October 2018 12:35:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum Is this not the answer to your second question?? If you did read the first post i did wrote that semaphore switched automatic when i switch the power on again with the CS3. The screen shows semaphore still red while the semaphore switch over to green byself. If the screen stand green the semaphore switch over to red. This happens everytime when i switch the power on the CS3.
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Purellum		#8 Posted : 24 October 2018 13:07:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy If you did read the first post i did wrote that semaphore switched automatic when i switch the power on again with the CS3. The screen shows semaphore still red while the semaphore switch over to green byself. If the screen stand green the semaphore switch over to red. This happens everytime when i switch the power on the CS3. Yes, I read that part, and that was the first question, to which I have no answer yet. Have you tested the output of the m83 as I suggested, to find out if it is the CS3 / m83 or the ROCO semaphore making the problem ?? If the semaphore works as a stepping relay / uniselector; then this could happen; but I don't know how ROCO semaphores work, and you haven't even told us which model you are using. Your second question/problem was regarding the red/green light on the m83, which I believe we have found the answer for. Did you read you own post Per.
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David Dewar		#9 Posted : 24 October 2018 15:04:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,342 Location: Scotland		Does this just happen with a Roco signal and not Marklin signals.
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Purellum		#10 Posted : 24 October 2018 16:40:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Does this just happen with a Roco signal and not Marklin signals. We don't know, and Goofy doesn't want to test the output of the m83 and tell us the result. Apparently all 40 - 50 CVs in the m83 is set for ROCO semaphores as a standard from Märklin, which sounds really strange to me. I also find it hard to believe that lights in the semaphore should stay on, with only 200ms signal from the m83; but can't find any manuals to the ROCO semaphores, and I don't know which one he is using. Per.
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DaleSchultz		#11 Posted : 24 October 2018 17:38:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		I had previously thought Roco made good quality stuff. Now this. Goofy may have to switch brands again.
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H0		#12 Posted : 24 October 2018 17:52:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy I did connect m83 to the CS3 and Rocos semaphore to the m83. When i switch off the CS3 and turn on again the semaphore change automatic while the symbol in the screen CS3 stand vice verse. It happens every time. Why? This behaviour is normal when you connect the "green" input of the signal to the "red" output of the m83 and vice versa. Maybe the wiring is correct, but some CVs have inappropriate values.
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Purellum		#13 Posted : 25 October 2018 18:36:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Goofy, please tell us if you found a solution to your problem. Per.
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Goofy		#14 Posted : 27 October 2018 07:27:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy I did connect m83 to the CS3 and Rocos semaphore to the m83. When i switch off the CS3 and turn on again the semaphore change automatic while the symbol in the screen CS3 stand vice verse. It happens every time. Why? This behaviour is normal when you connect the "green" input of the signal to the "red" output of the m83 and vice versa. Maybe the wiring is correct, but some CVs have inappropriate values. The wires are connect right. It works as normal too. The problem are when switch on the power back to the CS3 it happens that semaphore changes vice versa automatic. This happens everytime when i switch on the power to the CS3. I did checked m83 status too via configuration and it stand normal. I gave up and did return things back. I try another way and this time with an Lenz LS150.
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siroljuk		#15 Posted : 27 October 2018 09:12:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 377		Hello I have noticed that if you leave testing-button active in CS3Plus after testing, example loco-sounds, that sound which testing-button remains active in setup will be heard every time when that loco is on the track and track-power comes on. For example pushing stop-bar off-on. Sorry for my poor English language but you should check that all is ok in your Roco semaphore setup, perhaps you have forgot something on in semaphores setup. Regards Jukka
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Purellum		#16 Posted : 27 October 2018 10:48:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy I gave up and did return things back. I think your dealer loves you Per.
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Goofy		#17 Posted : 27 October 2018 16:44:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy I gave up and did return things back. I think your dealer loves you Per. Why? The dealer did deleted the bill. I didn´t paid the bill.
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David Dewar		#18 Posted : 27 October 2018 21:25:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,342 Location: Scotland		If the dealer took the signal back what was wrong with it. Do your other signals work OK.
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Goofy		#19 Posted : 28 October 2018 08:27:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: David Dewar If the dealer took the signal back what was wrong with it. Do your other signals work OK. I did ordered semaphore and m83 to use signal via CS3. So i thought both was default? It´s not necessary to use Lenz LS150 turnout decoder when there is digital semaphore from the Märklin too. I plan now to build up a new layout since i did bought CS3.
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David Dewar		#20 Posted : 28 October 2018 13:45:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,342 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: David Dewar If the dealer took the signal back what was wrong with it. Do your other signals work OK. I did ordered semaphore and m83 to use signal via CS3. So i thought both was default? It´s not necessary to use Lenz LS150 turnout decoder when there is digital semaphore from the Märklin too. I plan now to build up a new layout since i did bought CS3. Always good fun building a new layout. Look forward to seeing pictures when you start building.
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Purellum		#21 Posted : 28 October 2018 21:19:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy I plan now to build up a new layout since i did bought CS3. 2-rail or 3-rail ?? Per.
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Goofy		#22 Posted : 29 October 2018 18:18:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy I plan now to build up a new layout since i did bought CS3. 2-rail or 3-rail ?? Per. What´s difference?? You can use both of it since CS3 supports mfx,MM2 and DCC. Even Trix do have mfx for the two rail.
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Purellum		#23 Posted : 29 October 2018 20:09:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy I plan now to build up a new layout since i did bought CS3. 2-rail or 3-rail ?? Per. What´s difference?? You can use both of it since CS3 supports mfx,MM2 and DCC. Even Trix do have mfx for the two rail. The difference is the tracks and the rolling stock................... Per.
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Goofy		#24 Posted : 30 October 2018 09:22:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy I plan now to build up a new layout since i did bought CS3. 2-rail or 3-rail ?? Per. What´s difference?? You can use both of it since CS3 supports mfx,MM2 and DCC. Even Trix do have mfx for the two rail. The difference is the tracks and the rolling stock................... Per. No You use same rolling stock in both 2 and 3 rail. I decides to test Lenz LS150 with an Roco semaphore together with the CS3.
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poulmh		#25 Posted : 30 October 2018 09:44:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/01/2013(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: copenhagen		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy I plan now to build up a new layout since i did bought CS3. 2-rail or 3-rail ?? Per. What´s difference?? You can use both of it since CS3 supports mfx,MM2 and DCC. Even Trix do have mfx for the two rail. The difference is the tracks and the rolling stock................... Per. No You use same rolling stock in both 2 and 3 rail. I decides to test Lenz LS150 with an Roco semaphore together with the CS3. Good luck.
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David Dewar		#26 Posted : 30 October 2018 13:51:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,342 Location: Scotland		Goofy why don't you use a Marklin signal with the CS3. Problems mixing items from different manufacturers do happen.
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Purellum		#27 Posted : 30 October 2018 15:17:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy You use same rolling stock in both 2 and 3 rail. OK, in that case I would like to hear more about your locomotives. If you have DC wheels on your wagons, you can't have the 3rd.-rail feedback. If you have AC wheels, you can't use them on a 2-rail layout. Per.
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Goofy		#28 Posted : 30 October 2018 17:59:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy You use same rolling stock in both 2 and 3 rail. OK, in that case I would like to hear more about your locomotives. If you have DC wheels on your wagons, you can't have the 3rd.-rail feedback. If you have AC wheels, you can't use them on a 2-rail layout. Per. You have ESU locomotive...
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Purellum		#29 Posted : 30 October 2018 20:06:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy You have ESU locomotive... OK, I was not aware that you only have ESU locomotives. Have you sold all the others you had? Per.
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David Dewar		#30 Posted : 30 October 2018 21:05:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,342 Location: Scotland		I don't quite understand if your are a Marklin fan why you want to run two rail. Three rail gives much better driving and reverse loops etc and with C track decoders can be placed underneath the ballast etc. Do ESU locos run on both three and two rail with a slider or is that removed for two rail. Nothing wrong with two rail and in the past Roco were good with some excellent track but in the end its not Marklin.
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Minok		#31 Posted : 31 October 2018 20:46:13(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#32 Posted : 18 November 2018 09:41:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		I have same problem with the m84 too. The turnout stand red in the CS3 display but on the m84 it stand green light. This happens when when i turn the power again to CS3. Does it mean there is bug in the system CS3?
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