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mjamz		#1 Posted : 19 October 2018 10:56:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/09/2016(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: VANCOUVER BC		HI everyone, This is my first time posting on here. I'm fairly new to this hobby and started seriously collecting tracks and locos only couple years ago, and now I'm ready to build. I have a question regarding programming Marklin Digital Decoders. I have several locomotives that need a decoder upgrade, I wanted to know how I could change the decoder address using my CS3. I do not have the USB tool. This is what I have already done: I tried putting the locomotive on a separate track connected to the programming track leads, and I went into the "edit loco" menu and changed the address of loco from 78 to 80. What happened was that the information in the CS3 got changed to 80, but the decoder value still stayed the same (78). As such, when I put the locomotive on my regular track, it did not answer to the new decoder address I had set. Can someone help me to change the address on my decoder please? I have tried trading the manual as well as the Marklin CS3 book, both of which I didn't find very useful. Lastly, I'm in Vancouver Canada, I was wondering if there's anyone around who's also interested in this hobby. Wouldn't mind tips and bouncing off ideas! Cheers, m!


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H0		#2 Posted : 19 October 2018 11:25:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,452 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Welcome to the forum! Which locos? With some Märklin decoders you have to use a screwdriver to change the address, with some others you need a soldering iron. For newer decoders you need the programming track. If the programming track didn't work, then maybe the decoder is an older type. 78? Is it a Delta loco?
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mjamz		#3 Posted : 19 October 2018 11:46:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/09/2016(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: VANCOUVER BC		Thanks for getting back to me. It looks like its a newer decoder. It does not have the switches that the older locomotives had. Its definitely not delta. what I really want to know is that can I change locomotive decoder addresses using just my CS3 PLUS? I plan on changing a few of my locomotives to newer decoders soon, and Id like to learn how to do these things myself. Thanks, m!


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franciscohg		#4 Posted : 19 October 2018 16:35:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Hello, but what loco is it? Original decoder? A picture might help. As Tom said older decos has dips and oldest soldering pads. For a modern deco the procedure you described should work. Regards
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 19 October 2018 18:41:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,282		Originally Posted by: mjamz it did not answer to the new decoder address I had set. New decoder? Did you tried adress 3? New decoder do always set at adress 3 by of manufacture. Both MM and DCC do have same adress. Before you program new adress the locomotive with the new decoder must call up manually in the CS3 with the adress. That´s way it´s so important you must know correct adress with the new decoder. If i buy an new locomotive and use DCC protocol i must call up locomotive adress and it´s number 3. It´s standard adress.
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Purellum		#6 Posted : 19 October 2018 20:37:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy New decoder? Did you tried adress 3? New decoder do always set at adress 3 by of manufacture. Both MM and DCC do have same adress. Before you program new adress the locomotive with the new decoder must call up manually in the CS3 with the adress. That´s way it´s so important you must know correct adress with the new decoder. If i buy an new locomotive and use DCC protocol i must call up locomotive adress and it´s number 3. It´s standard adress. This is all nonsense, only related to DCC, and does not help in any way related to Mjamz's question. Per.
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Purellum		#7 Posted : 19 October 2018 20:39:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: mjamz I tried putting the locomotive on a separate track connected to the programming track leads, and I went into the "edit loco" menu and changed the address of loco from 78 to 80.What happened was that the information in the CS3 got changed to 80, but the decoder value still stayed the same (78).As such, when I put the locomotive on my regular track, it did not answer to the new decoder address I had set. Please tell us which loco you are talking about. Does it have lights, and did these lights blink when you tried to change the address ?? Per.
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Goofy		#8 Posted : 19 October 2018 21:22:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,282		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy New decoder? Did you tried adress 3? New decoder do always set at adress 3 by of manufacture. Both MM and DCC do have same adress. Before you program new adress the locomotive with the new decoder must call up manually in the CS3 with the adress. That´s way it´s so important you must know correct adress with the new decoder. If i buy an new locomotive and use DCC protocol i must call up locomotive adress and it´s number 3. It´s standard adress. This is all nonsense, only related to DCC, and does not help in any way related to Mjamz's question. Per. Nope Even with MM the adress do have 3. TS did verified decoder. TS did wrote new decoder.
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Goofy		#9 Posted : 19 October 2018 21:28:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,282		Did you checked after system settings that your CS3 support mfx,MM2 and DCC protocols?
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mjamz		#10 Posted : 20 October 2018 06:06:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/09/2016(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: VANCOUVER BC		Here is a picture of the decoder. The Locomotive number is 37073. Unfortunately The picture is kinda blurry.


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mjamz		#11 Posted : 20 October 2018 06:10:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/09/2016(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: VANCOUVER BC		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: mjamz it did not answer to the new decoder address I had set. New decoder? Did you tried adress 3? New decoder do always set at adress 3 by of manufacture. Both MM and DCC do have same adress. Before you program new adress the locomotive with the new decoder must call up manually in the CS3 with the adress. That´s way it´s so important you must know correct adress with the new decoder. If i buy an new locomotive and use DCC protocol i must call up locomotive adress and it´s number 3. It´s standard adress. No its not a new locomotive. I'm just trying to change the address. I'll be putting in new decoders on a few other locomotives soon, and Id like to know how this is done.


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3rail4life		#12 Posted : 20 October 2018 06:10:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: Northern California		Hi, I do not yet have a CS3, but was shown by a friend who does, how to change the address of fx programmable decoders with the CS3. From what I remember, it has to be done on the programming track. You add a new loco to CS3 using item number 60760 from the data base, then with the loco with compatible decoder on the programming track change the address to desired number, upload it to to decoder and it should change to the address specified. I hope I remembered correctly and this helps you out, it can definitely be done... Cheers, Gordon


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mjamz		#13 Posted : 20 October 2018 07:15:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/09/2016(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: VANCOUVER BC		Originally Posted by: 3rail4life Hi, I do not yet have a CS3, but was shown by a friend who does, how to change the address of fx programmable decoders with the CS3. From what I remember, it has to be done on the programming track. You add a new loco to CS3 using item number 60760 from the data base, then with the loco with compatible decoder on the programming track change the address to desired number, upload it to to decoder and it should change to the address specified. I hope I remembered correctly and this helps you out, it can definitely be done... Cheers, Gordon From what I Understand, #60760 is a marklin decoder, and calling it up on the CS3, should bring up a "blank" decoder with an address 78. Other values need to be inserted. I have one of these on order and expected to arrive soon, I'll let you know how that works out Edited by user 20 October 2018 12:36:48(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified


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Goofy		#14 Posted : 20 October 2018 09:59:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,282		Originally Posted by: mjamz Here is a picture of the decoder. The Locomotive number is 37073. Unfortunately The picture is kinda blurry. To look at the left of the picture it looks like 21 pin connect? The locomotive 37073 do have fx decoder but it seems not correct what i can see in the picture?
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RayF		#15 Posted : 20 October 2018 11:20:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: mjamz Here is a picture of the decoder. The Locomotive number is 37073. Unfortunately The picture is kinda blurry. Is the component on the left of the decoder not a bank of 8 DIP switches? Looking at Helmut Kern's site gives me the information that the 37073 loco has a 6090X decoder, which are programmed by setting these switches.
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H0		#16 Posted : 20 October 2018 11:22:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,452 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy To look at the left of the picture it looks like 21 pin connect? The locomotive 37073 do have fx decoder but it seems not correct what i can see in the picture? Märklin made decoders of the 60760 class with 21MTC connectors. I do not see anything unusual in the picture. There is no doubt about your incredible DCC knowledge, but your comments about Märklin fx decoders could be confusing for the OP. Originally Posted by: RayF Looking at Helmut Kern's site gives me the information that the 37073 loco has a 6090X decoder, which are programmed by setting these switches. According to Märklin's database the loco was in the 2003 new items brochure (and in 2003 it surely had a DIP switch decoder), but remained in the catalogue until 2006 (and at that time it probably had a programmable decoder). Mr Kern’s site was never updated since the introduction of the programmable decoders and it always shows just one type of decoder even for locos that had several decoders over time. Some locos that were made before and after 2005 came with different types of decoders. To me it looks like 21MTC on the photo.
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TEEWolf		#17 Posted : 21 October 2018 02:50:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: mjamz Thanks for getting back to me. It looks like its a newer decoder. It does not have the switches that the older locomotives had. Its definitely not delta. what I really want to know is that can I change locomotive decoder addresses using just my CS3 PLUS? I plan on changing a few of my locomotives to newer decoders soon, and Id like to learn how to do these things myself. Thanks, m! Yes, you can do, if it is not a mfx loco. But the most important thing is first specifying very exactly which decoder does your loco have inside. On the one hand your BR 78 is a nice model, on the other hand Märklin issued plenty of various typs of it. Almost every type has a different decoder inside from a Delta, fx to mfx one. Also Märklin did not issue manuals for all typs without a mfx decoder. Very annoying. The BR 78 art #37074 is the first one with a manual at Märklin's database https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/37074 Which loco does you exactly got? Can you tell us, please, article number and the number on the loco itself? The one I saw on pictures are named BR 78 100 for a 37073. Very strange is that at some offers in the internet for the 37073 a mfx decoder is mentioned inside. Märklin's database only shows a fx decoder inside. Please can you check which decoder format is setted while you are trying to alter the decoder address? Assure that it is not the DCC format. As far as I overviewed the various model types, I never found a decoder in this loco, Märklin mentioned the usage of a possible DCC format.
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Dave Banks		#18 Posted : 21 October 2018 06:44:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,046 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		http://www.dermodellbahnchecker...37074/37074-maerklin.htm http://www.dermodellbahnchecker...7074-maerklin-inside.htm [img][/img]
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Goofy		#19 Posted : 21 October 2018 08:27:01(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#20 Posted : 21 October 2018 08:31:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,282		Originally Posted by: H0 Märklin made decoders of the 60760 class with 21MTC connectors. I do not see anything unusual in the picture. There is no doubt about your incredible DCC knowledge, but your comments about Märklin fx decoders could be confusing for the OP. To me it looks like 21MTC on the photo. 60760 don´t have 21 pin connect what i see in the manual of it. Are you sure you know yourself better about fx decoder? The locomotive seems has been changed. I believe TS did bought locomotive as used.
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Dave Banks		#21 Posted : 21 October 2018 08:53:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,046 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Goofy could we be looking at this? [img][/img] https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=129495#p1518468
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H0		#22 Posted : 21 October 2018 10:10:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,452 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Goofy could we be looking at this? Looks different than the decoder on the blurry image. Green PCB could be Märklin fx or Märklin mfx or something completely different. Originally Posted by: Dave Banks http://www.dermodellbahnchecker...37074/37074-maerklin.htm http://www.dermodellbahnchecker...7074-maerklin-inside.htm Good find. Blue decoder PCB, so this must be an ESU decoder with mfx. Originally Posted by: Goofy 60760 don´t have 21 pin connect what i see in the manual of it. Are you sure you know yourself better about fx decoder? I have no doubt. I have no doubt about your level of expertise. The 60760 decoder comes with cables. The same decoder chips are used for special decoder PCBs for TRAXX locos, for class 101 locos, and on 21MTC boards. I know the decoders. I admit I do not stand corrected. Thanks for your valuable feedback.
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Dave Banks		#23 Posted : 21 October 2018 11:21:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,046 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		These terrible basic decoders that Markin once used could be the so called culprit & there were a few versions of them used: Underside [img][/img] Topside [img][/img]
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3rail4life		#24 Posted : 22 October 2018 04:33:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: Northern California		Originally Posted by: mjamz Originally Posted by: 3rail4life Hi, I do not yet have a CS3, but was shown by a friend who does, how to change the address of fx programmable decoders with the CS3. From what I remember, it has to be done on the programming track. You add a new loco to CS3 using item number 60760 from the data base, then with the loco with compatible decoder on the programming track change the address to desired number, upload it to to decoder and it should change to the address specified. I hope I remembered correctly and this helps you out, it can definitely be done... Cheers, Gordon From what I Understand, #60760 is a marklin decoder, and calling it up on the CS3, should bring up a "blank" decoder with an address 78. Other values need to be inserted. I have one of these on order and expected to arrive soon, I'll let you know how that works out The decoder in your loco is very similar to the 60760 in operation and protocol and when you add the 60760 to your CS3 you will be able to use it's settings to program the decoder in your BR78, you do not need to have the actual 60760 decoder to use its programming features.


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