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Offline river6109  
#1 Posted : 18 April 2018 03:54:46(UTC)
river6109

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Hi,

I bought the 60971 lokprogrammer for Märklin Lok and Sound decoders, eventually I got the USB stick going and it was recognized by the computer.

it looks like the sound decoders I've got aren't msd/3 but an earlier version which I believe can only be programmed via the CS

Marklin sound decoder.JPG

is this correct ?

2nd request: is there a website where the instructions for downloading a sound file is in English.

John

Edited by user 18 April 2018 12:31:32(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline michelvr  
#2 Posted : 18 April 2018 04:41:48(UTC)
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Hi John,

I'm not sure about the part number for the Lokprogrammer but if it is the ESU 53452 Lokprogrammer it quite easy. As I have done a quite a few decoder sound files in my day.
Offline river6109  
#3 Posted : 18 April 2018 04:55:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Hi John,

I'm not sure about the part number for the Lokprogrammer but if it is the ESU 53452 Lokprogrammer it quite easy. As I have done a quite a few decoder sound files in my day.


thanks for your quick answer,

Unfortunately this is not what I require, as the topic indicates it relates to a Märklin decoder programmer and not an ESU Lokprogrammer and I've changed the heading not to confuse the issue

regards.,

John

Edited by user 18 April 2018 12:32:23(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 18 April 2018 10:48:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Hi John,

I'm not sure about the part number for the Lokprogrammer but if it is the ESU 53452 Lokprogrammer it quite easy. As I have done a quite a few decoder sound files in my day.


thanks for your quick answer,

Unfortunately this is not what I require, as the topic indicates it relates to a Märklin Lokprogrammer and not an ESU Lokprogrammer and I've changed the heading not to confuse the issue

regards.,

John


I think you will find that lokprogrammer is a trade mark of ESU, so it would be best to stop using this term for the Marklin programmer.

Offline jonas_sthlm  
#5 Posted : 18 April 2018 11:28:08(UTC)
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Offline siroljuk  
#6 Posted : 18 April 2018 12:13:54(UTC)
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Hello.

I own this USB-BASED tool and I have used it quite many time.
mDecoderTool3 ( which is PC-application) did see CS2-controller but it don't see new CS3Plus-controller. So if you dream to use this tool with CS3 or CS3Plus it won't work yet. Perhaps in futureBigGrin BigGrin

If I remember right you have to install special driver for USB-part of this tool. It is not user friendly but it works ok(IMHO). You have to load sound-library in which there are lots of different sounds, but . . . If you want to listen those sounds you cannot use normal PC-sound-applications. For some reason Märklin hasn made all waw-files so that only mDecoderTool3 can play back them.
( Of course there might be other applications which can be found from Internet ).
Märklin has announced new 60970 Decoder Tester, which is coming this summerThumpUp. I hope there would be some kind of connection between mDecoderTool3 and this new device.RollEyes

Spring is hereDrool Drool
Have Fun everyone

Regards

Jukka



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Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 18 April 2018 12:23:32(UTC)
river6109

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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Hi John,

I'm not sure about the part number for the Lokprogrammer but if it is the ESU 53452 Lokprogrammer it quite easy. As I have done a quite a few decoder sound files in my day.


thanks for your quick answer,

Unfortunately this is not what I require, as the topic indicates it relates to a Märklin Lokprogrammer and not an ESU Lokprogrammer and I've changed the heading not to confuse the issue

regards.,

John


I think you will find that lokprogrammer is a trade mark of ESU, so it would be best to stop using this term for the Marklin programmer.



Ok, we'll start again: Märklin decoder programmer

John

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Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 18 April 2018 12:25:47(UTC)
river6109

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Originally Posted by: siroljuk Go to Quoted Post
Hello.

I own this USB-BASED tool and I have used it quite many time.
mDecoderTool3 ( which is PC-application) did see CS2-controller but it don't see new CS3Plus-controller. So if you dream to use this tool with CS3 or CS3Plus it won't work yet. Perhaps in futureBigGrin BigGrin

If I remember right you have to install special driver for USB-part of this tool. It is not user friendly but it works ok(IMHO). You have to load sound-library in which there are lots of different sounds, but . . . If you want to listen those sounds you cannot use normal PC-sound-applications. For some reason Märklin hasn made all waw-files so that only mDecoderTool3 can play back them.
( Of course there might be other applications which can be found from Internet ).
Märklin has announced new 60970 Decoder Tester, which is coming this summerThumpUp. I hope there would be some kind of connection between mDecoderTool3 and this new device.RollEyes

Spring is hereDrool Drool
Have Fun everyone

Regards

Jukka



Jukka, thanks for the information, what I've seen so far its pretty complicated.

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Offline MaerklinLife  
#9 Posted : 18 April 2018 12:48:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: siroljuk Go to Quoted Post
I hope there would be some kind of connection between mDecoderTool3 and this new device.RollEyes

It will have the same connection as the little PCB that comes with the USB stick. You can attach it to the USB stick and program/test your decoder configuration. That way you do not have to put the decoder back and forth between the PCB and the loco all the time.

It will also have connections for other than 21 pin decoders and a terminal for wired connections.
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Offline river6109  
#10 Posted : 19 April 2018 02:43:57(UTC)
river6109

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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
My question is: can the sound decoder (pictured) only be programmed with the CS and the 2nd question the manual for this sound decoder is there an English version for it ?

thank you

John
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Offline TEEWolf  
#11 Posted : 20 April 2018 01:29:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: siroljuk Go to Quoted Post
Hello.

I own this USB-BASED tool and I have used it quite many time.
mDecoderTool3 ( which is PC-application) did see CS2-controller but it don't see new CS3Plus-controller. So if you dream to use this tool with CS3 or CS3Plus it won't work yet. Perhaps in futureBigGrin BigGrin

If I remember right you have to install special driver for USB-part of this tool. It is not user friendly but it works ok(IMHO). You have to load sound-library in which there are lots of different sounds, but . . . If you want to listen those sounds you cannot use normal PC-sound-applications. For some reason Märklin hasn made all waw-files so that only mDecoderTool3 can play back them.
( Of course there might be other applications which can be found from Internet ).
Märklin has announced new 60970 Decoder Tester, which is coming this summerThumpUp. I hope there would be some kind of connection between mDecoderTool3 and this new device.RollEyes

Spring is hereDrool Drool
Have Fun everyone

Regards

Jukka


Are you aware that there are 2 different software availbale for the mDT and mDT3?

mDT Vers 1 from 2012
https://www.maerklin.de/...mldmsd/mdecodertool-mdt/

mDT3 Vers 3.2.3 from 2017
https://www.maerklin.de/...3msd3/mdecodertool-mdt3/

Offline TEEWolf  
#12 Posted : 20 April 2018 02:31:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
My question is: can the sound decoder (pictured) only be programmed with the CS and the 2nd question the manual for this sound decoder is there an English version for it ?

thank you

John


John

you got the normal manual of the mDT3 60971 - which you got?

https://static.maerklin....c90826c1de1464620537.pdf

Märklin has 2 different homepages, one for a mDT and one for a mDT3.

https://www.maerklin.de/...mldmsd/mdecodertool-mdt/

https://www.maerklin.de/...3msd3/mdecodertool-mdt3/

Even these pages are unfortunately only in German available, but Märklin lists there all the article # for those decoders where the stick and software should be used. I only have limited experience with the mDT3 and mSD3 decoders.

On these pages you also find special manuals for the mDT3, but again only in German. If you want doing the trouble for yourself, here is a recomendable translation software

https://www.deepl.com/translator

In the Märklin Magazine 02/2016 https://www.maerklin.de/...men-specials-und-serien/

and here

https://www.maerklin.de/...pecial_MM_2016_01_02.pdf

These are articles also published in the MM. So an English version should be available, which I do not have and unfortunately I do not know where to get them.

At the end I guess you are right that your decoder can only be programmed with your CS (CS 2 or CS 3?)

Downloading a sound file in English? I do not understand it really.

I only know this sound library for a mSD3 decoder. But you only get access to this side via the German hompeage of Märklin.

https://www.maerklin.de/...undbibliothek-fuer-msd3/


Sounds for older decoders you may find here

https://www.maerklin.de/...est-decoder-mldmsd/#c233
Offline Minok  
#13 Posted : 20 April 2018 22:33:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
My question is: can the sound decoder (pictured) only be programmed with the CS and the 2nd question the manual for this sound decoder is there an English version for it ?

thank you

John


I cannot answer the question, but provide some additional information that may be useful.

To program CV values and the like, I think you can do that with a CS MS or the programmer. What the programmer provides is a way to update/modify the sound files on he sound capable decoders (someone correct me if there is an additional thing a decoder programmer can do beyond that, which a CS/MS cannot do)

Its my understanding that the factory (Märklin) installed decoders that are in locomotives (and I don't know if your pictured decoder is one of those) are like their other sound decoders, but can have a setting/configuration/hardware fuse/etc set so that you cannot modify the sound files in them, even with a decoder programmer.

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