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Bayer		#1 Posted : 20 October 2008 18:39:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Hi all, Some days ago I won my first auction on Ebay.de. It contains a Märklin RE 800.2, but totally unassembled and probably also missing something. I just can´t wait to receive it and start assembling it. It was rather expensive (according to my wallet), but it was my opportunity to get this nice little loco for a reasonable price... Well getting back to the subject of this post. Does anybody have a complete explored view of the RE 800, you might want to sent to me, and if possible maybe some pictures of the inside of the loco and a diagram of the electric circuit? According to the pictures of the loco, there is a "Schleppschalter" inside it. How should this be connected to the circuit, and what is its function. I don´t really want to screw this loco up. Kind regards, Thor
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tekin65		#2 Posted : 20 October 2008 18:42:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Thor hi, It might be hard to find an exploded view. But 800 series locos are very similar inside so it shouldn't be hard to copy from one. If you like I can send you (tuesday eve) chasis photos of 800 series locos (electric or steam). Cem.
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Guus		#3 Posted : 20 October 2008 19:11:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Thor, The RE 800 was later re-numbered into 3014. The Hamburger Insider Club has a copy of the exploded view on their website. http://www.hamst.de/Webbilder/ma3014-1.JPG http://www.hamst.de/Webbilder/ma3014-2.JPG A basic electrical schematic for early models with a reversing relay can be found here for instance: http://www.mk-welt.de/modellbahn/grundlagen/g_motoren.htm Scroll down a little for the schematic. Another, maybe better option for checking the electric schematic, might be to look for an early electric loco in Märklins database like the 3030 for instance. This will give you an idea of how to restore the wiring for your specific case. Hope this helps, Kind regards Guus
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Bayer		#4 Posted : 20 October 2008 20:07:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Hi Cem and Guus, Thank for your quick responses. Cem it would be very nice if you post some pictures, but the RE 800 has got a different kind of motor and gearing. The motor is pulling on all four axles by using a propeller shaft (Like the CCS 800, DL 800 and ST 800). But you are most welcome to post some pictures. I love to see pictures of the inside of old 800 series locomotives and see how they work Thank Guus for the tip about the electric circuit. I will definitely look in Märklin´s database. Here is a picture from the 1953 catalog, showing the RE 800 and its "little brother" RES 800. Kind regards, Thor
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Guus		#5 Posted : 20 October 2008 20:15:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Thor, Ah, didn't realise you have the really old one with the cardan drive! Congratulations. Disregard my reference to the 3014 please. Kind regards Guus
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Markus Schild		#6 Posted : 21 October 2008 00:54:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Thor, Marklin never published a modern style "expoloded view" for this loco. But the 1955 spare-parts list for this loco contains some detailed photos and some sketches which could help you. Members which are interested in a pdf-file (3 pages, German) should send me their E-mail adress to schild@metallbaukasten.de . Best regards Markus
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Webmaster		#7 Posted : 21 October 2008 00:55:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,166		In our Links & Downloads page, you can find Steven Cook's site... http://www.geocities.com....cook/gbmc/gbmbegin.html RE 800 is there, but the "exploded views" were not yet invented back then - still hope this can help:
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intruder		#8 Posted : 21 October 2008 01:29:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Very interesting old documents. Thanks to all of you.
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RayF		#9 Posted : 21 October 2008 01:53:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,878 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		That's brilliant! It seems to me that some of our members who scorn the newer Marklin because of cardan shaft drive should look back further than the LFCM motor. (sorry John, if your reading this, I couldn't resist it!) Ray
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Bayer		#10 Posted : 21 October 2008 18:20:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Thank you Markus and Juhan. That was exactly, what I was looking for. Does anybody have the RE 800, and might want to post some pictures of the inside. That would be a very great help too. Kind regards, Thor
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Bayer		#11 Posted : 27 October 2008 20:27:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bayer <br />Does anybody have the RE 800, and might want to post some pictures of the inside. That would be a very great help too. Anybody?
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Webmaster		#12 Posted : 27 October 2008 23:05:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,166		Thor, the RE 800 is quite a collector's item and maybe some of our members have it... Let's hope someone is willing to take it apart and take some pics... I had the simpler RET 800 once, with the one-boggie drive, and it was a bit tricky to take apart since you had to carefully dismantle the top headlights first... And that drum-type relay (aka "Perfekt-Schaltung") was very difficult to adjust... However, the RE 800 is quite rare nowadays and I presume collectors prefer not to tinker too much with it... In any case, it's a really glorious piece of "heavy metal"...
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Bayer		#13 Posted : 29 October 2008 19:27:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Finally it arrived. It´s pretty much a restore-project, but that is the way i like it. I will maybe, if you guys want me to, start a new topic, where i step by step, will assembling and cleaning it. Kind Regards, Thor
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#14 Posted : 29 October 2008 23:01:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Looks very nice...and certainly a good price! Sorry, don't have an RE 800 but shouldn't be too hard to put back together. Best of luck. Bill
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Sander van Wijk		#15 Posted : 29 October 2008 23:03:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Hi Thor, Such a topic would be highly interesting! Good luck on your restoration work!
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seatrains		#16 Posted : 30 October 2008 05:14:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 677 Location: Shoreline, WA		Thor, I have one like it in ok condition. I will follow your thread as mine barely runs and is missing parts. Got mine for a good deal on ebay. After I get mine back running, I want to get some sbb passenger coaches, like the 348/1 & 348/2. Good luck and thanks for the post.
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#17 Posted : 30 October 2008 05:22:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		I found this auction which has a picture with the RE 800 shell off...it may be of a little help: http://cgi.ebay.at/Maerk...goryZ81103QQcmdZViewItem Regards, Bill
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jvuye		#18 Posted : 01 November 2008 08:25:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France		Hello I have restored a number of RE800, so no problem to guide you, if you want I can help you move step by step. It is probably my favorite Marklin lok in my whole collection... It is however a very difficult loco to put back together, I have to warn you!! (= patience needed) I am willing to help you, but I would think twice before taking mine apart (again..) The good news: from the picture it doesn't look like any important part is really missing. The bogies are still in place, so no difficulty there. That is already a big step forward. However you should start by checking the smooth running of the mechanism then verify the electrical integrity of the motor. Next question: how good are you with soldering? Let me know then we'll take it step by step from there.. Kind regards
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jvuye		#19 Posted : 01 November 2008 14:31:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France		One little clarification: I am ready to take the body off to show you the inside and guide you, but I don't fel ready to dismantle the mechanism, just to provide an "exploded view" Your lok looks pretty much together, but whomever took it apart had no clue on how to put it back together. Tell me when you are ready...(-;
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Bayer		#20 Posted : 01 November 2008 23:13:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Thank you all for your replies! I'm so happy that it is possible to get help from other more experienced collectors, when you are stucked in something train related. I'm starting a new topic about the assembling of the RE 800. The answer to the two last posts in this topic, will be answered in the new topic. Kind regards, Thor
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Webmaster		#21 Posted : 01 November 2008 23:37:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,166		Thanks Jacques for offering help to Thor, an interactive restoration topic in this forum would be very interesting indeed for all of us... So Thor, whenever you are ready to go on - start that topic...
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Bigdaddynz		#22 Posted : 02 November 2008 00:01:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />So Thor, whenever you are ready to go on - start that topic... Looking forward to it.....
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mike c		#23 Posted : 07 February 2009 10:45:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,351 Location: Montreal, QC		I did not know that the earliest Re 4/4 model came with anything other than the 1-B-1 design. Even at that, this was the coolest lok back then because it would go into standing mode between directions, so it could sit with the lights on as the doors on the 348 coach would open and close (manually). I have only one of the later editions from one of the Sets (came with baggage coach, 348/2 with doors and green restaurant coach.) Regards Mike C
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Brakepad		#24 Posted : 07 February 2009 11:01:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 633 Location: Montlouis sur Loire, France		Incredible masterpiece of mechanical engineering.
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Oscar		#25 Posted : 07 February 2009 18:11:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: ,		<font face="Verdana]That's one of the most desirable loco's in my humble opinion. The drive mechanism is a masterclass in HO-engineering. I've never owned one (yet) but I did have the pleasure once of driving one on a lay-out and examining it's construction. Awesome! Congratulations on getting your hands on one of these and good luck with restoring it!</font id="Verdana]
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Bayer		#26 Posted : 07 February 2009 19:51:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		Thank you Oscar. Actually I have already restored it (there is a topic about the restoration on this forum in collector's corner. Check it out). It is also one of my favorite locos, and I'm very happy, that the opportunity to get it for a reasonable price, came across me. It is running very smooth, but slow, and it seems like it can't pull that many wagons. Even my SK 800 has a greater tractive power, considering it has a smaller motor. Can anybody explain why that's so. Regards, Thor
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Oscar		#27 Posted : 07 February 2009 21:40:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: ,		<font face="Verdana]I'll definitely have a look at your restoration story, Thor! ^----Great stuff, innit? </font id="Verdana]
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#28 Posted : 08 February 2009 06:39:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		It may not be able to move as quickly because of the gearing. My ST 800 has many gears which have shifted over the years...just a thought. It makes a great sounding locomotive, though! Regards, Bill
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Oscar		#29 Posted : 08 February 2009 09:34:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: ,		Quote: quote:Originally posted by Bayer <br />It is running very smooth, but slow, and it seems like it can't pull that many wagons. Can anybody explain why that's so. <font face="Verdana][size=2] I think that's inherent to this kind of mechanism: A lot of the motor's strength is wasted on getting that worm wheel to turn. I guess that's why Märklin abandoned this mechanism later on. </font id="Verdana]
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Bayer		#30 Posted : 09 February 2009 12:16:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 176 Location: Helsingør, Denmark		So maybe the loco will have a greater tractive power, if I disable one of the boogies. Then the loco will only pull on one boogie and all the motors strength will be concentrated there. It is worth a try. Thor
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