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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 04 January 2017 06:52:50(UTC)
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Did read in another topic,that an version is now upgrade to 2.7.
What is difference now this time from version 2.5?
DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 04 January 2017 09:03:26(UTC)
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There is no MS/3.
There is the MS2 that comes in two different colours and in at least two hardware revisions (and you can find at least two hardware revisions in the bright case).
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Offline Goofy  
#3 Posted : 04 January 2017 09:15:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
There is no MS/3.
There is the MS2 that comes in two different colours and in at least two hardware revisions (and you can find at least two hardware revisions in the bright case).


Yes i know it.
Some members and also in another forum write MS3 to understand this in black version.
But i did also stand an question what is difference now with version 2.7?

DCC means Digital Command Control.

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#4 Posted : 04 January 2017 17:37:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Some members and also in another forum write MS3 to understand this in black version.

You still should not begin to call it MS3. If people do not get it, teach them instead. Simply to avoid confusion. It does not matter if is black or grey, it is still the same box. Smile

When an MS3 comes - and I predict it will BigGrin - we will avoid further misunderstandings by not referring to the ms2 as ms3.
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 04 January 2017 18:31:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Did read in another topic,that an version is now upgrade to 2.7.
Give us a link, please.

Regards
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 04 January 2017 18:52:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Some members and also in another forum write MS3 to understand this in black version.

You still should not begin to call it MS3. If people do not get it, teach them instead. Simply to avoid confusion. It does not matter if is black or grey, it is still the same box. Smile

When an MS3 comes - and I predict it will BigGrin - we will avoid further misunderstandings by not referring to the ms2 as ms3.


Grey/Black
MS2/MS3
Mostley say MS3 as black version.

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 04 January 2017 18:55:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Give us a link, please.



CS3 and CS3+ software problem
posted nr 19 by of an danish member

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 04 January 2017 19:17:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Mostley say MS3 as black version.
Märklin call it MS 2 (e.g. in Technik-Tipp 331).
http://www.maerklin.de/f...faq/Technik-Tipp-331.pdf

I don't think the majority uses the term "MS 3".

Link to post #19:
https://www.marklin-user...tware-problem#post535680

So it seems the upgrade to version 2.7 comes from the CS 3.
So maybe some CS 3 owners can report about differences they noticed.
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Offline Minok  
#9 Posted : 04 January 2017 21:09:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Some members and also in another forum write MS3 to understand this in black version.

You still should not begin to call it MS3. If people do not get it, teach them instead. Simply to avoid confusion. It does not matter if is black or grey, it is still the same box. Smile

When an MS3 comes - and I predict it will BigGrin - we will avoid further misunderstandings by not referring to the ms2 as ms3.


Grey/Black
MS2/MS3
Mostley say MS3 as black version.



Those "mostley" [sic] people would be wrong.
Repeating an error only makes things worse.
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Offline clapcott  
#10 Posted : 04 January 2017 21:14:15(UTC)
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a ..
60653 HW v2.0
and
60657 HW v2.1
both present themselves to a 60213(CS2) or 60216(CS3) as 60653
(I have no close knowledge of any 60653 with HW v2.1 - or any variant of the 66950)

Both appear under the "MS2" network section of the CS3

Both types update with the "ms2 v2.7 07.12.2016" module delivered with CS3 v1.2.0 update package (or earlier betas)
(Of course the diferent hardware device may use different/selected parts of the fuller package)

Subjective :
After the 2.7 update , there is no user panel changes I could detect.
The upper level versions appear unchanged, underlying files might be different.
Jury still out ....


After upgrade both items still report with "CS2 Slave" when connected to a 60216(CS3)

The CS3 ChangeLog mentions a bugfix for the CS3s update function relating to MS2s, but does not list an actual ChangeLog for the 60653/60657/MS2


The CAN bus ping DOES report a device type code of x32 for the 60653 HW v2.0 and a x33 for the 60657 HW v2.1
So while the devices are distinguishable via their device type , there no attempt to recognise this within the CS2/3 device information panels.
- they are both product 60653 and found under the MS2 section

Further note:
The CS2 does display the serial number of the 60653/60657 (internal , not necessarily the one printed on the outside of the case)
The CS3 does not identify the serial number to the user for cross reference - forcing the user to identify which is which themselves.
This may appear to be a moot point functionally as the MS2(60653/60657) has lost the dispatch capabilities available for the MS1(60651/60652) , but it always good to succinctly identify the devices using their own terminology/identification rather than impossing another layer AND failing to automatically link them

In summary, like the 60651 and 60652(belatedly the MS1), I suspect that the granular meaning is going to be lost.
While it "appears" that the 60653 aligns with a Grey case and HW=v2.0 and that the 60657 aligns with a Black case and HW=v2.1 , it is probable that during the transition in manufacturing that there may have been a crossover / mix. And anyway it is highly likely that any faulty 60653 will be repaired with a HW=v2.1.

And finally, while the marketing documentation does NOT use the term "MS2", preferring to stick with "Mobile Station 60653" and "Mobile Station 60657", an abbreviation has crept into the screen usage and propogated into some parts of the documentation.
e.g. pg22 of http://medienpdb.maerkli.../1/pdf/60657_betrieb.pdf
.. shows examples of panels with "Mobile Station" and "Information". In later versions you can find this changed to "MS2 Information" and this change is evident in the screens of BOTH the 60653 and 60657

Either way the first point of reference for the naming of a products name should be the product itself and its own marketing and documentation.
Peter
Offline Minok  
#11 Posted : 04 January 2017 21:19:57(UTC)
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When an MS3 comes - and I predict it will BigGrin - we will avoid further misunderstandings by not referring to the ms2 as ms3.


If the MS3 has wifi to allow one's smartphone app to connect, that would be a great improvement. Its a pain having to get up to walk to the corded MS2 in order to change something on the running Christmas train on the carpet... first world problems, for sure, but the technology is there and dirt cheap.
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 04 January 2017 21:53:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
I have no close knowledge of any 60653 with HW v2.1
Version 2.4 was the first firmware for the new 60653.
Many people found it irritating to still see version 2.3 on their MS2s after transferring the 2.4 files from the CS2 to the MS2.
With firmware version 2.5, both hardware revisions got the same software version. But AFAIK there still are two firmware files in the MS2 file system for the different hardware versions.
Maybe someone here can confirm having a light-grey 60653 with 2.1 hardware. Those who had software 2.4 on their MS2s should take a look.

Regards
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Offline NewComix  
#13 Posted : 04 January 2017 22:26:27(UTC)
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Hi,

I am not 100% sure, but I think with 2.7 the MS2 has a symbol for advanced signals (Form-Vorsignale).

Kind regards
Jörg
Offline Goofy  
#14 Posted : 04 January 2017 23:00:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NewComix Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

I am not 100% sure, but I think with 2.7 the MS2 has a symbol for advanced signals (Form-Vorsignale).

Kind regards
Jörg


You mean symbols like turnout/signals?

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline NewComix  
#15 Posted : 04 January 2017 23:11:38(UTC)
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Yes, I think they added a symbol for advanced signals (Form-Vorsignale). At least I haven't seen this symbol before.

Jörg
Offline kiwiAlan  
#16 Posted : 04 January 2017 23:27:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Some members and also in another forum write MS3 to understand this in black version.

You still should not begin to call it MS3. If people do not get it, teach them instead. Simply to avoid confusion. It does not matter if is black or grey, it is still the same box. Smile

When an MS3 comes - and I predict it will BigGrin - we will avoid further misunderstandings by not referring to the ms2 as ms3.


Grey/Black
MS2/MS3
Mostley say MS3 as black version.



I hope you are not going to persist with this stupidity.

After all, we don't call a 60213 a cs2, a 60214 a cs3 and a 60215 a cs3, they are all cs2. So the grey and black ms2 are both ms2.
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Offline Goofy  
#17 Posted : 05 January 2017 07:00:54(UTC)
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I hope you are not going to persist with this stupidity.

After all, we don't call a 60213 a cs2, a 60214 a cs3 and a 60215 a cs3, they are all cs2. So the grey and black ms2 are both ms2.


If you did read my comments,i did wrote other present black version like MS3.
That´s way i do present black version like MS3.
If you don´t have any comments about version 2.7 i suggest you stop stupidity.

DCC means Digital Command Control.

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#18 Posted : 05 January 2017 11:36:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post


I hope you are not going to persist with this stupidity.

After all, we don't call a 60213 a cs2, a 60214 a cs3 and a 60215 a cs3, they are all cs2. So the grey and black ms2 are both ms2.


If you did read my comments,i did wrote other present black version like MS3.
That´s way i do present black version like MS3.
If you don´t have any comments about version 2.7 i suggest you stop stupidity.



No, you are the one persisting by repeating wrong naming from other people.

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