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Originally Posted by: RayF  nounced, like the S2/6, G5/5, and the Br18.5. Maybe these are the only ones built in this new factory!
Ray, My 39550 G5/5 (purchased through a US dealer via pre-order) has a sticker on the box saying "Made in Germany". The coorisponding 46085 freight car set I ordered with it is has a sticker "Made in Hungary". I cannot comment on the others. Please understand, I am not posting this as an offense, but just to provide a fact as I get "made in" stickers on US bought products. -Brandon |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Originally Posted by: RayF nounced, like the S2/6, G5/5, and the Br18.5. Maybe these are the only ones built in this new factory!
Ray, My 39550 G5/5 (purchased through a US dealer via pre-order) has a sticker on the box saying "Made in Germany". The coorisponding 46085 freight car set I ordered with it is has a sticker "Made in Hungary". I cannot comment on the others. Please understand, I am not posting this as an offense, but just to provide a fact as I get "made in" stickers on US bought products. -Brandon Thanks Brandon. Maybe my theory is not correct then. |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA
My 39550 G5/5 (purchased through a US dealer via pre-order) has a sticker on the box saying "Made in Germany". The coorisponding 46085 freight car set I ordered with it is has a sticker "Made in Hungary". I cannot comment on the others.
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Hi Brandon, This is intriguing because Märklin TV briefly showed us the G 5/5 in assembly, and that scene was shot in the factory in Hungary! I suppose that according to US law 'Made in Germany' means that most parts are German-made, right? That would be the case even if it was painted and assembled in Hungary. Or you got a locomotive from the pre-series made in Göppingen. Freight or passenger cars aren't made in Göppingen anyway because that factory specialises in locomotives, and that's been the case for decades. Can you tell us which other Märklin locomotives that you own and were produced in the last 10-15 years have 'Made in Germany' stickers? Märklin TV showed us the BR 18.5 in production at their factory in Göppingen, so that model is not made in China, though we don't know if every BR 18.5 is German-made or if that only applies to the pre-series. (last minutes of the video) BR 50 and BR 18.5 in productionWe don't know yet where the BR 01.5 was made, but I won't order any models that appear out of the blue. If Märklin only has a few models made in China every year, they should scrap those projects in my opinion. I got my money back in the case of the 39670, the 39674 was replaced, the 36339 has been sold at a loss on Ebay and the 36334 will follow suit. I'll keep the 39671 and the 39674, but I won't order any new tooling locomotives in future. I'll just wait and see ... Best regards, Mark |
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Originally Posted by: M-Classics Can you tell us which other Märklin locomotives that you own and were produced in the last 10-15 years have 'Made in Germany' stickers?
Mark, Very interesting about Marklin TV. I don't want to derail this thread too much (as it's about BR 01.5), I will take a look at some boxes in the next couple of days to confirm my memory and possibly start a new thread for where things are made. -Brandon |
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Once again,the Made in Germany sticker must have lost its value by now.
If the law says that the sticker is valid if 20 percent of the productionprocess was carried out in Germany,the other 80 percent was still produced elsewhere.
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Hi,
I don't mind if locomotives are painted and assembled in Hungary as long as the quality of the finished product is all right. That's the case for the vast majority of Märklin locomotives nowadays because the cost of labour is very high in Germany, but what really matters to me is that the die-cast chassis and body are made in Göppingen. In addition to the locomotives I have mentioned above, I've already sold so many Märklin freight cars that have a die-cast chassis made in China, such as the Märklin/Trix US box cars which may be destroyed by warping and can only be sold at a big loss as the problem is well-known.
According to Märklin, those locomotives which are finished in Hungary are about 30-40 per cent German-made. We all know they would be even more expensive if all of them were produced and assembled in Germany. I still buy Märklin products and I'd also consider the BR 01.5, but I want some evidence that it's made in Europe.
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Originally Posted by: M-Classics Hi,
I don't mind if locomotives are painted and assembled in Hungary as long as the quality of the finished product is all right. That's the case for the vast majority of Märklin locomotives nowadays because the cost of labour is very high in Germany, but what really matters to me is that the die-cast chassis and body are made in Göppingen. In addition to the locomotives I have mentioned above, I've already sold so many Märklin freight cars that have a die-cast chassis made in China, such as the Märklin/Trix US box cars which may be destroyed by warping and can only be sold at a big loss as the problem is well-known.
According to Märklin, those locomotives which are finished in Hungary are about 30-40 per cent German-made. We all know they would be even more expensive if all of them were produced and assembled in Germany. I still buy Märklin products and I'd also consider the BR 01.5, but I want some evidence that it's made in Europe.
Best regards,
Mark All the die casting is done in Goppingen, and then where necessary, shipped to Hungary for assembly. This was told to me by a staff member at the Treff.
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Originally Posted by: M-Classics Hi,
I don't mind if locomotives are painted and assembled in Hungary as long as the quality of the finished product is all right. That's the case for the vast majority of Märklin locomotives nowadays because the cost of labour is very high in Germany, but what really matters to me is that the die-cast chassis and body are made in Göppingen. In addition to the locomotives I have mentioned above, I've alreadyI sold so many Märklin freight cars that have a die-cast chassis made in China, such as the Märklin/Trix US box cars which may be destroyed by warping and can only be sold at a big loss as the problem is well-known.
According to Märklin, those locomotives which are finished in Hungary are about 30-40 per cent German-made. We all know they would be even more expensive if all of them were produced and assembled in Germany. I still buy Märklin products and I'd also consider the BR 01.5, but I want some evidence that it's made in Europe.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan All the die casting is done in Goppingen, and then where necessary, shipped to Hungary for assembly. I have to assume that die casting is done in Göppingen or in Far East. No metal die casting in Hungary. You cannot assume that all metal parts are made in Göppingen. Märklin often say that they make all metal parts in Göppingen, but they also have external suppliers. We have seen several Märklin locos with metal bodies and "Made in China" stickers. And I cannot imagine that they ship metal bodies from Göppingen to China for final assembly. |
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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Followng on the VW scandal i am not surprised to see that Marklin hop the fence regularly for the sake of the money god. The holy German quality and business ethics are not so sacred after all. Not all German companies have lost my trust. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan All the die casting is done in Goppingen, and then where necessary, shipped to Hungary for assembly. I have to assume that die casting is done in Göppingen or in Far East. No metal die casting in Hungary. You cannot assume that all metal parts are made in Göppingen. Märklin often say that they make all metal parts in Göppingen, but they also have external suppliers. We have seen several Märklin locos with metal bodies and "Made in China" stickers. And I cannot imagine that they ship metal bodies from Göppingen to China for final assembly. Ah, fair point, I wasn't clear enough. As I understand it, for locos assembled in Hungary, all the castings are done in Goppingen. I do not know if the castings are painted in Goppingen before shipping, or if they are painted once they reach Hungary.
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Email just in from my preferred dealer in Karlsruhe ;
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Email just in from my preferred dealer in Karlsruhe ;
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Email just in from my preferred dealer in Karlsruhe ;
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Originally Posted by: esgovipa Hi, Yes, it definitely looks better tlike this. Maybe those pipes were the 'missing' parts that had to be added, or was there another problem?? They should have posted the improved picture immediately to get more orders. It's an intriguing but slightly mysterious locomotive ... Best regards, Mark |
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How on earth is it possible that i did not notice the missing tubing under the cabin? Was i that blind? What was wrong with me? Was i so excited about the magnificent 01.5 that i had my eyes closed? I feel very embarrassed. And,of course,how is it possible that initially people within Marklin did not notice it? The loco was presented on the M website without tubing under the cabin. Did the head of the product development department not see it? And what about the productionline,was it not noticed that after assembly there were some surplus parts left on the workboard???? I sincerely hope that M get their control back over this because if this goes on,M ends up in the same wastebasket as the other German icon,the one on four wheels. Edited by user 20 October 2015 07:43:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 How on earth is it possible that i did not notice the missing tubing under the cabin?
Was i that blind?
What was wrong with me?
Was i so excited about the magnificent 01.5 that i had my eyes closed?
I feel very embarrassed.
And,of course,how is it possible that initially people within Marklin did not notice it?
The loco was presented on the M website without tubing under the cabin.
Did the head of the product development departrment not see it?
And what about the productionline,was it not noticed that after assembly there were some surplus parts left on the workboard????
I sincerely hope that M get their control back over this because if this goes on,M ends up in the same wastebasket as the other German icon,the one on four wheels. ??? I don't understand what you say...this is about what ? Thewolf |
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It is about Marklin 39205 and 39206,the new DR steamer series 01.5 .
Please read the header of this topic and the previous posts and you will know. |
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Update from Marklin. The delivery of 39205 has delay until November. Edited by user 22 October 2015 19:11:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Update from Marklin.
The delivery of 39205 has delay until November. I received my Trix Proficlub newsletter 5 today, and it includes a brochure for the Br01.5 - without all the pipework under the cab ...  yeah, I know, these were printed 'long ago' ... 
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: steventrain Update from Marklin.
The delivery of 39205 has delay until November. I received my Trix Proficlub newsletter 5 today, and it includes a brochure for the Br01.5 - without all the pipework under the cab ... yeah, I know, these were printed 'long ago' ... The Trix Club package post from 5 October 2015- Brochure still without pipework. Marklin update the image database with pipework add on 17th October. |
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Delivery now starting today! |
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39205 is now sold out and no more available from Marklin.
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Anyone has the 39205 loco? What do you think? I'm a bit tempted to try to get a copy but I've hardly seen any reviews.
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Originally Posted by: dennisb Anyone has the 39205 loco? What do you think? I'm a bit tempted to try to get a copy but I've hardly seen any reviews.
D. Review by Biedmatt - >39205 Review topic< |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: dennisb Anyone has the 39205 loco? What do you think? I'm a bit tempted to try to get a copy but I've hardly seen any reviews.
D. Review by Biedmatt - >39205 Review topic< Thanks a lot! Not so much from actual running loco but still some great info! //Dennis
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I have a short movie, the second part has the BR 01.5 (starts at 1.20) . For more pictures see my website |
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Class 01 dream steam duet!   My only wish about 39205: Softdrive Sinus, as 39012 has.
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Originally Posted by: pab I have a short movie, the second part has the BR 01.5 (starts at 1.20)
Thanks a lot - seems great!
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Originally Posted by: dennisb Anyone has the 39205 loco? What do you think? I'm a bit tempted to try to get a copy but I've hardly seen any reviews.
D. I am currently tempted by 39205 but I have not seen a lot of specific reviews either. Matt's review was good on the details and how this model breaks with some normal Marklin construction practices. I wonder if this points toward how they might be doing things in the future. I would be curious to hear more about how it runs. Last year there was a lot of speculation about where this lok was made and I have not read any more on that. Do we have a definite answer now that they are in customer's hands? I don't know that it would stop me if it were made in China but I am curious. I was also wondering if anyone had an opinion on the quality of the motor. I know that a few years ago people felt that Marklin was putting very low quality can motors in some models. Does anyone have any detailed information on the motor in the 39205? It certainly is nice looking and I am watching one in my main dealer's inventory. Maybe if I wait long enough someone else will grab it and I won't have to decide. Of course he also has the coaches in stock as well, which makes me even more tempted. My scheme to stop buying new Marklin's for a while is not going as planned! |
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Originally Posted by: Andrey Class 01 dream steam duet! My only wish about 39205: Softdrive Sinus, as 39012 has. Is there something about how this locomotive operates that makes you wish it had the sinus drive or are you just addicted to high quality mechanicals like I am? |
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Hi
Here is my experience with 39205.
Nice loco - great to look at, but after some test on the layout I notice as follow:
After a couple of hours of running there was a strange mechanical sound(bird sound) from the motor, try to oil/grease it but it don't help anything.
The speed slow down in R1 curves, not always but some times.
There was no surround sound/automatic sounds from the decoder.
Braking sound can not be adjusted to slow speed.
Total test/running time was about 6 hours. It should be running ok after this time.
Locomotive back to dealer and I get another one. Same happend again - back to dealer.
I do not know where M produce this items but what I don't like is, you dont know what you get, its different every time, some decoders are adjustable, others are fixed by the factory, some motors are noisy others is ok and so on. I wonder if M test them at all.
As I am a user I want my steamers (25 with sound) to have a nice performance. This expensive locomotive do not reach this level of quality.
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Originally Posted by: Torstein
As I am a user I want my steamers (25 with sound) to have a nice performance. This expensive locomotive do not reach this level of quality.
Torstein.
Thank you Torstein, that was very helpful. I also want to invest in only high quality, well made locomotives and it seems that just having the Marklin name on one is no longer enough to ensure that. I don't mind paying for quality but at that price there should not be any issues with this locomotive even if it is very nice to look at. It sounds like they are still trying to use low cost and low quality motors, even in their premium models. The unpredictability of the decoders is disturbing to me also. This is one of the reasons that this forum is such a great resource. It gives us all a chance to share information and to avoid buying locomotives that are not worthy of the Marklin brand. I hope that you are able to resolve the issues you are having with your 39205. Regards, Jim |
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I intentionally did not comment on how the Br 01.5 ran since I immediately scrap the Marklin decoder and replace it with an ESU V4. That would solve most of the problems Torstein had except for the motor noise. I have not noticed that yet, but would then have SB-Modellbau replace the motor if it does.
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt I intentionally did not comment on how the Br 01.5 ran since I immediately scrap the Marklin decoder and replace it with an ESU V4. That would solve most of the problems Torsen had except for the motor noise. I have not noticed that yet, but would then have SB-Modellbau replace the motor if it does.
It's time we realize M is not making product to the quality they have in the past. The choice is to fix the problems yourself or just stop buying. Or buyning older models we do not bought in the past. 
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt I intentionally did not comment on how the Br 01.5 ran since I immediately scrap the Marklin decoder and replace it with an ESU V4. That would solve most of the problems Torsen had except for the motor noise. I have not noticed that yet, but would then have SB-Modellbau replace the motor if it does.
It's time we realize M is not making product to the quality they have in the past. The choice is to fix the problems yourself or just stop buying. I agree with all of that Matt, your input is always helpful. Marklin has definitely changed and is continuing to change as they explore new ways to remain solvent. It is interesting to hear that you replaced the decoder on the Br 1.5 right out of the box. I bought the 37565 crocodile double set in January even though I have reservations about the quality of the motors in them. I decided that I wanted them anyway based on their appearance and and detailing. They are very nice models and the motors and decoders can be changed if needed. I guess I really am going to need to invest in a LokProgrammer though so that I can do LokSound decoders in the future. I also need to learn more about my options for motor upgrades. I am a little surprised that you would not attempt the motor upgrade yourself but it is good to know who you would use to do that. The new Marklin business plan seems to emphasize quality of materials, appearance and a high level of detail. That is the part that I can not do myself so it seems like it will work out for me in the long run. My older Marklin Loks that I have been updating seem to turn out really well and I am gaining confidence that I can mostly fix any problems on my own. |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Yes, and that is another part of my Marklin plan. A local Marklin collector (sgtb) only buys older models on eBay and then upgrades the electronics and motors himself. It is becoming clearer to me now why that is a very good way to go. |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Hi Jim, SB doesn't have kits for all of M's products. This being a completely new model, none is available yet. Someone may have a need before me, if ever I would need to replace it. Their kits are relatively easy to install. The worst case is some require a milling machine, but that is just a material need and not an indication of a level of difficulty. Most kits also regear the loko so at full voltage with the motor supplied, the loko will run about 10% above the scale top speed of the prototype. |
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397. |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Yes, and that is another part of my Marklin plan. A local Marklin collector (sgtb) only buys older models on eBay and then upgrades the electronics and motors himself. It is becoming clearer to me now why that is a very good way to go. There are a lot of models from the past you can buy with no need to upgrade them.Just buy carefully and check information for the model you like before you buy it.
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I agree with Foumaro completely.
I still prefer buying analogue Marklin stuff from the past,a time in my life i could not afford to buy Marklin.
For me no fancy electronics,prone to break down instantly.
Next targets on the list are 3111 (again),3329 (interesting),and 3108 (again). |
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare). |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj
I am currently tempted by 39205 but I have not seen a lot of specific reviews either.
Hi, I've read four reviews of the 39205/39206 in German MRR magazines. After that, I couldn't buy the 39205 any more because Märklin got some important features wrong. On the boiler of the BR 01.5, there are some steps leading up to the sandboxes on each side; they're really typical of the BR 01.5, but Märklin has not reproduced them, although other manufacturers have. In addition, the cover on the opening in the roof of the cabin is not prototypical, and some of the counterweights on the driving wheels of the 39206 look wrong. The interesting news is that the 39207 in the summer news brochure features those boiler steps, if we can trust the photos. In case Märklin has also reproduced the counterweights correctly, which we can only assess when the model is available, the 39207 comes much closer to the prototype than the first versions, so I'll wait for that one. Best regards, Mark |
Best regards, Mark
I like Märklin items produced in the 1960s or early '70s, but also digital locos & current rolling stock. |
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Originally Posted by: dickinsonj
I am currently tempted by 39205 but I have not seen a lot of specific reviews either.
Hi, I've read four reviews of the 39205/39206 in German MRR magazines. After that, I couldn't buy the 39205 any more because Märklin got some important features wrong. On the boiler of the BR 01.5, there are some steps leading up to the sandboxes on each side; they're really typical of the BR 01.5, but Märklin has not reproduced them, although other manufacturers have. In addition, the cover on the opening in the roof of the cabin is not prototypical, and some of the counterweights on the driving wheels of the 39206 look wrong. The interesting news is that the 39207 in the summer news brochure features those boiler steps, if we can trust the photos. In case Märklin has also reproduced the counterweights correctly, which we can only assess when the model is available, the 39207 comes much closer to the prototype than the first versions, so I'll wait for that one. Best regards, Mark My understanding is that the 39207 is a model of the prototype that was at Goppingen for the 2015 Treff, so has a loco/tender combination as seen in the wild.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan
My understanding is that the 39207 is a model of the prototype that was at Goppingen for the 2015 Treff, so has a loco/tender combination as seen in the wild.
True, there were minor differences between those reconstructed locomotives apart form the wheels, but every BR 01.5 had the boiler steps, so if Märklin has apparently decided to reproduce them for the 39207, why didn't they do that for the first versions as well? The second question is whether the counterweights on the spoke wheels, which looked wrong in the first version, will be corrected for the 39207. Märklin's project managers must have read the comparative test in the March 2016 issue of Eisenbahn Magazin, in which Roco's locomotive was the winner because of Märklin's silly mistakes. If Märklin had avoided the three biggest blunders (boiler steps/counterweights/cabin roof), the 39205/39206 would have come out on top. |
Best regards, Mark
I like Märklin items produced in the 1960s or early '70s, but also digital locos & current rolling stock. |
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German MRR magazine MEB criticised the wrong whistle sound and the "wrong" dialect of people making the announcements for the 39205.
According to MEB Märklin promised to bring a better whistle sound with future models.
So this is yet another Märklin mould where it pays to wait until they sort out the "teething problems". |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: H0 German MRR magazine MEB criticised the wrong whistle sound and the "wrong" dialect of people making the announcements for the 39205. *LOL* Wrong dialect? If that is the level of complaints they have it must be a pretty good model :) On a serious note I'm very familiar with different German dialects as my wife's family is spread out all over Germany. I recon it wasn't as common back then as today but I guess people moved around even "back then". Good with an updated bell! D.
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