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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#1 Posted : 28 April 2014 23:19:26(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Hello,
my new project is the Märklin V36 in double traction, called "Doppeltes Lottchen.

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1st Step: Ball Bearings

1st I removed the plastic bearing and replaced with a miniature ball bearing:
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The motor shield will follow later.

2nd Step: LED front / rear light

For the LED front / rear lights, I bought complete circuit boards (LBP-V36-2F-DL):
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You have to remove the original fiber optics and replace with a short fiber optic.

This is not yet done.

3rd Step: Activate AUX1/2 for rear light

I hope (and it lokks like) that I can solder additional cables to use AUX1/2 of the Esu LokSound decoder to switch the red rear lights separately.
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Here, I marked out the connector pins for AUX 1/2, ready connected on the interface circuit board:
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Offline biedmatt  
#2 Posted : 29 April 2014 00:36:14(UTC)
biedmatt

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Well look at that, someone makes a circuit board for the V36 lights. I fabricated something identical in shape and function for my double unit and the one from set 26577. A set with a control car that changed lamps based on direction of travel certainly needed a loko at the other end with the same function. For connection to the wires, I soldered the ends from resisitors to the wires and then colorcoded the existing individual lamp socket connections with a dab of paint to match the wire colors. The resisitor leads plug neatly into the lamp sockets and you do not have to rewire the loko.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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Offline intruder  
#3 Posted : 29 April 2014 01:09:04(UTC)
intruder

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Originally Posted by: Moritz-BR365 Go to Quoted Post
Hello,
my new project is the Märklin V36 in double traction, called "Doppeltes Lottchen.

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1st Step: Ball Bearings

1st I removed the plastic bearing and replaced with a miniature ball bearing:
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The motor shield will follow later.

2nd Step: LED front / rear light

For the LED front / rear lights, I bought complete circuit boards:
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You have to remove the original fiber optics and replace with a short fiber optic.

This is not yet done.

3rd Step: Activate AUX1/2 for rear light

I hope (and it lokks like) that I can solder additional cables to use AUX1/2 of the Esu LokSound decoder to switch the red rear lights separately.
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Who makes and sell those circuit boards? can you please inform us?

Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#4 Posted : 29 April 2014 09:11:48(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Originally Posted by: intruder Go to Quoted Post
Who makes and sell those circuit boards? can you please inform us?

You can obtain these circuit boards from here: http://www.web-hgh-moba....ard/119-lbp-v36-maerklin

There are different versions for single V36 and for the double traction, that needs two front boards but no rear one. For the "Doppelte Lottchen", You need this one: (LBP-V36-2F-DL)

It is a private homepage and not commercial, very friendly contact. But sometimes, it needs some time to get a response. Don't worry about thatWink

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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#5 Posted : 29 April 2014 14:55:31(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Added picture with marked solder points for AUX 1/2:
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#6 Posted : 05 May 2014 22:33:00(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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In meantime, a small step further:

I soldered two cables to the mtc21-adapter board (brown-green and brown-white) and removed the optical fiber in the motor V36. Then, I placed the LED circuit board. It is 0,3mm to wide, but I was able to adjust it. Now it sits perfect:

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Offline pa-pauls  
#7 Posted : 06 May 2014 20:13:47(UTC)
pa-pauls


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Originally Posted by: Moritz-BR365 Go to Quoted Post

You can obtain these circuit boards from here: http://www.web-hgh-moba....ard/119-lbp-v36-maerklin

I did send him an e-mail 3 days ago but no response,,,

I think it would actually be possible with these light PCB's and a small speaker
where the original lights are to make a single V-36 / 236 with loksound dekoder,,,
Pål Paulsen
Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
Offline Moritz-BR365  
#8 Posted : 06 May 2014 20:23:25(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Hello Pal,
I can talk to him. He has some problems with bis knee. So maybe he has not time to answer. It's only private not commercial.

Yes, with a small speaker You can use free space for a sound decoder. There is much space under the case.

Moritz
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#9 Posted : 06 May 2014 23:47:15(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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1st test of lights with fiber optic mounted

The LED circuit boards came with a few centimeter flexible fiber optics. You just have to cut small parts and plug into the headlight. This fiber optic is not really limpid but a bit opaque. Therefore, it looks different to the limpid original fiber optics:

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The red lights look wrong on the pictures, my digital cam can't take pictures from red LED light.

The look is a bit dull, because the fiber optic is not bright clear. It will look probably better, when I cut the end of the original fiber optic instead of this dull one, which is delivered with the LED circuit boards.

So far, I avoid to cut the original fiber optics to be able to restore the original state. But maybe, I should change this point of view and use the material from the original fiber optics. I don't think, that I will restore the original state.

What do You think?

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Offline pa-pauls  
#10 Posted : 07 May 2014 10:40:45(UTC)
pa-pauls


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Hi Moritz,

Why not try With the original one's just to see if it is getting brighter ? (if possible)
Pål Paulsen
Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#11 Posted : 07 May 2014 13:06:28(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Hello Pal,
Yes, I should try it. I was not sure, If I should really destroy the original fiber optics, because then there is no way back. On the other side, I will not restore to the old bulb lights. So, it should be OK to cut the original ones and use the front elements of them, only.

I will give it a try.

It is less the brightness then more it is because of clearness or limpid look of the original ones. It los better then the flexible fiber optics.
Offline Moritz-BR365  
#12 Posted : 07 May 2014 21:53:34(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Here we go!

Today, 1st I changed the fiber optic to the original ones. I cutted the end of the three fiber optic lines and put them with a little bit glue stick into the holes. It looks much better!

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Then I soldered a male plug onto the end of the LED circuit board cables:

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And the female onto the mtc21-adapter. The orange cable is in the middle. Therefore, You can't plug wrong with damage, You just can change between white lights and red lights:
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First test with digital current and case up:
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Looks good, I can close the case:
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Finally, I have to map and configure the decoder. But for this, I need a Märklin CS2. So I have to ask a friend.

And of course, the same must be done for the other V36, too. But now, I have the experience from the first one and the mtc21-adapter is ready, so it will not be a huge task to do this.
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Offline pa-pauls  
#13 Posted : 07 May 2014 23:20:08(UTC)
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Looks very good Moritz ! Good work ! ThumpUp
Pål Paulsen
Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
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Offline Emil  
#14 Posted : 08 May 2014 09:54:42(UTC)
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Very nice Moritz!

//Emil
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#15 Posted : 10 May 2014 09:48:27(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Now, I started with the 2nd part, the "sound loco". On the first picture, You can see the original fiber optic installed. It is glued on a small area on the case, but it is quite easy to remove it.

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Good visible here is the big speaker, which realy makes much noise! That's maybe a advantage of a plastic case instead of metal.

And here a bit closer the LED board already euipped with my small plug.

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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#16 Posted : 14 May 2014 23:33:40(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Soundlok with cable, connector and mounted housing of the motor lok, because I cut too much cable from the sound lok case, therefore, I exchange the cases:

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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#17 Posted : 24 August 2014 22:15:33(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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I got a CS2 lend by a friend. So finally I was able to activate AUX1 and AUX2 and at leasr I found a bell sound and mapped it to F7:

F0 Headlight/Rearlight changing with direction on V36 402
F1 Headlight/Rearlight changing with direction on V36 402

F7 bell sound
F8 shunting light (both sides white)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI7NA0GiF8s

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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#18 Posted : 26 September 2014 11:27:51(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

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Now I got time to mount the ball bearing into the motor shield. Further, I realized, that the ball baering in the gear box wasn't pressed deep enough. Now, it fits well and the slow drive perfomance is a bit better (1,96mm/s) and the sound a bit less loud..

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Offline franciscohg  
#19 Posted : 30 September 2014 04:03:59(UTC)
franciscohg

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I just love your work Moritz, it is just neat, and very well documented, one can bring out many tips!!!
Congratulations!!
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#20 Posted : 14 April 2016 13:13:02(UTC)
Moritz-BR365

Germany   
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Hello,
I got very cheap an original Maxon bell shaped armature motor. I decided to spend it for my Doppeltes Lottchen:

The drive

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Drive Assembly

It was very easy to assemble the drive, because the black front cover of the Maxon fits exactly into the gear. I gave it only a smart pressure to fit in the final position. The ball bearing has to be removed before!

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Video

The following video shows the very soft driving, although it was very nice with the HLA propulsion, too. But the Maxon drive is much more silent!



The Doppelte Lottchen

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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#21 Posted : 14 April 2016 13:27:23(UTC)
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Very nice work!
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