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A shop with lots of CS 1 in stock taking orders for CS2.
He could send the CS1 s back to M for spares and they could send one to Nev.
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Hello, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hello Strange, the shop that last week had so many CS1 on stock, took these out from his homepage and is already taking orders for the CS2: www.stucki.spielwaren.chwhy, if the CS1 should not be discontinued? rgds Stephan This link don't work; the right address is http://www.spielwaren-stucki.ch/. In this site the new CS has finally a Märklin code: 60123. Best regards, Gerardo Rivero, San fernando, Cádiz, Spain.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I said: This link don't work; the right address is http://www.spielwaren-stucki.ch/. In this site the new CS has finally a Märklin code: 60123. Prior to this message Steventrain has post the same in the other thread. Is the only thing that I don't like in the forum operation: We can't see all the recent messages of various threads in a single screen. Best regards, Gerardo Rivero, San Fernando, Cádiz, Spain.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
He could send the CS1 s back to M for spares So - we're now at the "reverse production" speculation.  Hallo Lutz, after "reverse engineering", why not "reverse production"? At least they could eschange the broken CS with a working one. So they have only to re-pack the CS, let's call "re-pack production" I will check with my CS. The illumination of the screen is down on the left side of the screen[:(]. It is working, so until now I had no need to send it back before knowing when they can repare it. rgds Stephan
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I was absent from this forum for few months .
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Hello Lutz,
I do not know, since my CS is dated december 2005. No warranty anymore.
And I will not return it until I know for sure that I can have it back in a reasonable time. I do not want to wait months like some people here in the forum.
Maybe, if the really discontinue the CS, they can make me an advantageous exchange offer for a CS2.
kind regards
Stephan
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Hi Stephan If you are out of warranty then as said you will get one from old dealers stock or a repair if there are any spares but after that dont expect a new CS2.
Maybe time to just keep it as a spare and buy a new controller but wait until the new one is on the market and ensure they are not being returned for faults. If you have a 6021 it will probably last forever.
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Hello David,
I sold my 6021 more than one year ago. [:(]
So if I return my CS I will have no backup.
rgds
Stephan
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Best then as you say to keep it until you are sure it can be returned quickly. If you have a mobile Station you can use that and if not they can be bought fairly cheaply.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />This thread corrects a very misleading and false posting in this forum.
Fact is: the Central Station #60212 will still be available.....
Has anyone noticed that the Lokshop has removed 60172 (Booster) and 60212 (CS) from their pricelist??.......  Maybe they know something we don't.......
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Hi David They told me months ago they would not have any further CS in stock. (old version) I forget what they said about boosters other than they were no longer interested in giving any dates for delivery.
Interesting to see their price for the new CS.
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David, where abouts did you see the price for the 60213 (CS2)? I can't find it in the main Lokshop price list. [:I][:I]
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />David, where abouts did you see the price for the 60213 (CS2)? I can't find it in the main Lokshop price list. [:I][:I]
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Thanks Nev, now you made me feel even more [:I][:I][:I][:I][:I][:I][:I][:I][:I]
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Lutz, Some of us do have the CS here in the downunder, We also have our old 6021 for when the CS frustrates us.
The only debate now, is do we sell the old CS and take a gamble on the new one, or do we let someone else be the guinea pig?
I would like to know exactly what it can do, besides look pretty, before I part with my cash.
Cheers....
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Sorry Big D just meant I would be interested to see the price when it appears.
(flash can of course sell you one now)
Mike NZ I would keep your old CS even if you buy the new one. It can be attached to the CS2 and of course is useful as a back up.
Regarding the price I think you will find it will be considerably more than the old CS.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71
<br />Lutz, Some of us do have the CS here in the downunder, We also have our old 6021 for when the CS frustrates us.
The only debate now, is do we sell the old CS and take a gamble on the new one, or do we let someone else be the guinea pig?
I would like to know exactly what it can do, besides look pretty, before I part with my cash.
Cheers....
Mike.
Mike, I won't be rushing. Take a wait and see approach I guess, especially since there does not seem to be any earth shattering new features. It will also be interesting to see whether there will be any more software updates for the CS1.
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Hi Mike, I agree with Dave, wait and see if you still have another controller to play around with. I would never buy a new system from the first moment it is released certainly the way development and quality checks are done today. Dave I don't expect a newer firmware version will come for the CS but that will not make a difference for people with a broken CS right now.[:I] Should there be a new version, I would expect more or less the same features as introduced in the latest firmware 1.1.3 for the ECoS. Is the CS bone architecture not ECoS based except for the protocols supported? Cheers, Frank |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by HemmerichI'm not sure about Swiss companies, but here a company might never take sold goods(*) back and resell them as "new"; not even parts of it. Putting such parts into repair cases simply violates laws and I don't think Märklin will ever take this risk. Resale could be done by Re-Marketing (which deals with used equipment), at best they could be sold via the "Fundgrube".  (*) sold means from a manufacturer's perspective. In our part of the World and I am sure that in other Countries the Manufacturer/ Distributor will accept returns from Resellers PROVIDING that they are in the original packing. This may occur through double ordering or an item was ordered in for a Customer who may have changed their mind. In some cases there is a "restocking" fee. the item is then resold as it is still "New" as it has not been out of the original packing. If the item has been Shrink Wrapped (Software packages) and that is broken, no return. Nev |
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Happens here every day. Unsold goods are returned to the manufacturer and then resold. The items are new until purchased by a consumer. In fact dealers will send unsold goods direct to other dealers who may have an order for them.
To go further many manufacturers will supply on a sale or return basis.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[i] But has all little to do about this thread topic - the fact that Märklin confirmed the CS has not been discontinued (and once they decide to do so we'll learn that too).  Well we have just learned the opposite that there are no more sales of the CS. as from Monday dealers can order the CS2 |
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Most of us knew months ago that the CS was discontinued although Lutz has dealers who have plenty of stock as they are well prepared for the rush to buy the old model lol.
To be fair if it is sold cheap enough the old CS could sell well for years and keep the postal authorites busy dealing with packages for repair and upgrades etc.
As I said ages ago my dealer advised that there would be no more old CS as M were working on the new one since the beginning of the year although possibly earlier.
Anyway guys it makes the threads all good fun and keeps us going.
Long live all the CS models past present and future
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by HemmerichI just learned from one of my dealers that he was more than happy that he still had a new CS1 in stock, which he can give now to a customer instead of the defective CS1 which had to be sent to the repair center. I'm pretty sure that he will be reimbursed by Märklin for this replacement of the defective CS1 within his purchase of new CS2's. It looks like a win-win for all involved parties. "It looks like a win-win for all involved parties."Try telling that to poor Steventrain, your Aussie mate or any other poor sucker out there who have been left out on a limb [:(] |
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What's your your plan re CS Macca?
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71
<br />What's your your plan re CS Macca?
Seeing Dion will not get any 29840's from Mother, I guess I am off the hook re CS1 Honestly with the faults being recorded with that unit I am pleased you (Wellington) got it instead of me. (That would be because we were going to do a C Track v K Track deal as well). I am going to s i t b a c k and watch CS2 with interest. Maybe a starter set that takes my fancy - dunno. I am happy with my 2 x MS ATM. No panic |
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Hopefully mother M will reissue the 29840 set with a CS2! Problem solved!
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On e-Bay today Sept. 21, 2008 there are two 60212 controllers for sale. One is from Trainz in Atlanta, GA for $793 USD. It's the complete kit.
The other one is the upgraded version and is from Gutersloh, Germany and goes for $449 USD and $43 shipping to US. Both are new.
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if I remember correctly you cannot afford Trainz International Shipping rates. they are terrible.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by efel
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71
<br />What's your your plan re CS Macca?
Reply #2 Just talked to Dion (toottoot.co.nz) He has been upgrading my 3390 (done) & 3005 (next) with Loksound [:p] He confirmed that I am off the hook re the 29840 and, like Bigdaddy, thought that M* 'might' re-release the set with a CS2. If so, defineitely interested otherwise I'l just sit back and see what's on offer before I make a decision. The only certantity is that Dion will get the order. |
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Or replaced with newer one... |
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Juhan,
Could you please take action against Herr Lutz Hemmerich a German Brave member of this forum who is making a personal attack me again against the rules of this forum of which he has no respect unless he cries for protection if he thinks someone his attacking him when in fact they are only defending them selves.
Apparently he thinks he is fire proof. and he is really a RC
I have ignored many attacks from the DH and I have had enough.
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Sounds good Macca, I did sound into my 3005 the other month. Quite satisifing. Cheers.. Mike.
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<br />I'd appreciate if Juhan would erase all other NMR postings for the sake of the majority of the members here.
He'd have to delete your account then...... Actually, for the sake of the majority of the members here, I think that would be the best course of action!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
<br />Or replaced with newer one... 2.0.5; probably early next year. You should probably open a dedicated thread for this and explain what you know about this; (IMHO would provide quite some MR value to this forum, like I try to do with my postings).
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Thanks Lutz, one day I'll get my A into G and do something like that.
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Now you are ALL in kindergarden again [}:)] |
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to all brave and non brave members, take a good read and see who intoduced my cs repair into this topic.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Bigdaddynz<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />I'd appreciate if Juhan would erase all other NMR postings for the sake of the majority of the members here.
He'd have to delete your account then...... Actually, for the sake of the majority of the members here, I think that would be the best course of action! If only. |
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Hello!
I have a question addressed at the native English speakers in this forum:
Wot does "discontinued" mean?
It seems that CS 60212 is a phase-out model (next Yearbook will tell for sure).
OTOH I do hope it's still supported and we'll see one or two software updates and more database updates.
So is CS1 discontinued coz it's a phase-out model?
Or is it not discontinued coz it's still supported?
Windows XP can't be bought, but we still get bug fixes. I'd call it discontinued, but I'd like to hear what native English speakers think about that.
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Discontinued normally means "no longer available for purchase from the manufacturer".
Unsupported means the manufacturer no longer supports the product for bug fixes / updates / repairs, etc.
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Tom - literally it translates into "unterbrochen" (what doesn't put it well ...) In everyday German you'd rather say "nicht fortgesetzt" or - better still - "entfernt" Generally we call an item "discontinued" when removed from the actual catalog / line of products. |
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Paulsen, it's not so much like kindergarden, it's more like the 6th grade, what we call junior high.
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David, John,
that's how I interpreted "discontinued", too.
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