150 Euros worth actually.

From the Neuheiten catalog....

"CS3plus – The Small but Fine Difference:
The CS3plus offers a comprehensive entry into digital model
railroading. Equipped with the same performance features
as the CS3 the CS3plus also offers an s88 connection for
s88 feedback modules and the possibility of using as many
CS3plus devices as desired as an add-on. The use of several
CS3plus units expands the possibilities for controlling a layout
(additional locomotive controllers, additional Keyboards,
expanded control possibilities) as well as the Booster performance
that is made available. The track connection for the CS3
can be used as a Booster connection."

That spiel hints that you need a CS3+ to be able use it as a remote controller, plus it has additional S88 connectors (because it doesn't have a Bus Input connector). The CS3+ also has 'Märklin Bus input' connector - Clapcott's post in the other CS3 thread advises this is needed for the ability to use the CS3+ as a remote device, the CS3 doesn't have this, the CS3+ does.

And more Ore Cars in the Trix NI with different numbers ...

In the past there usually was a grace period of three years between Insider model and similar Outsider models.

The only difference is connectivity - and few people will need more than one CS.

I am totally confused.

Toying with the idea of dumping the control 80f - keyboard etc set up in favour of MS2 but have been waiting for any news today in the NI stuff.

So as predicted no major change - a black cover and a blue screen whoopee -Am I right in saying no change?

But what confuses me is they seem to want to call it not MS3 nor MS2 but back to simply Mobile Station.

So in all the function descriptions for loks, etc we have the four for control unit limited extra for Mobile station and the full monty for MS2 and CS.

So is the new mobile station going backwards or is it just semantics.

I guess what I may be asking as well do I try and get a discounted 60653 shortly or wait for the new black jobby.

The only changes to the MS2 have been cosmetic, so that it matches the new colour for Marklin digital components. I have no doubt there will be a MS3 along at some point, but this is not it.

Being a permanent skeptic of anything marketing produce I would want the following qualified and quantified ...

for the MobileStation 60657

- ... b/w .... (do they mean monochrome i.e. the white on blue we are used to ?)
- ... full graphic .... (what is "full" ? the WebShop image "looks" a darker blue and slightly finer - but also smacks of a mockup)
- ... in the optionally available track connect box ... (What is optional ?) Note: there is a firmer statement at the bottom of the page.
- ... 60114/60116 ... ( what about interoperability with the 60112/60113/60122 ?)
- ... Solenoid items can be controlled in the formats Motorola und DCC ... (as apposed to Motorola OR DCC ?)

for the TrackBox 60116

- ... up to two Mobile Station ... (what happened to ten, if you use the 60122?)


And finally , have they fixed the buttons (4 function buttons on each side) ?

the biggest asset of the S88 connection is for clubs with modules and the ability to provide feedback as each module is added in or out. add the wireless router to underside of the central station and you have ability for all the club folks to log in with their cellphones, and have mobile walk around like we have been doing with the present. CS2

I will wait to see what kind of motor the Mikado will have.All the previous Mikados i have are equipped with the great faulhaber motor.The broshure saying for the 37935 "new motor".If the 37935 is not have faulhaber,i will not buy it.

Here I was, trying to save for a trip to EU at the end of the year, and then this happened.... :P

Loving the new Start-Up stuff, some of the freight cars and the new MFX locos look awesome, and I actually really like the little LINDT loco... but do I really need 2 MUs on my layout... hmmm...

That new crane set is incredible (but also $$$$) so just looking at that one!

But in the box contents they list R1 241xx curves Bryan.

Oh, so its not a 'complete system' after all.

The lost art of proof reading!

Exactly!
Be sure you will also get some troubleshooting sometimes by upgrades program,just same way like the old CS2.

I dont't know if it is common to use Central Station in MRR club layouts (most clubs run 2-rail AFAIK), but of course it is possible. In that case a CS3+ is more useful - can be used as a booster or as a remote controller. Modular layouts here in Sweden mostly use LocoNet, so it's a pity Märklin doesn't support that...

Fo my needs a CS3 is more than enough... One question though: Can the MS2 be plugged directly into the ports in front, or is an adapter cable needed?

Only if you buy the cs3+ AIUI.



Yeah will certainly consider that, not currently having an ms2.

The CS3 will be enough for that scenario.


You can get 60653+60113+66361 for around €90 on eBay (from starter sets). If you also need the tracks the 29000 could be an alternative.

I didn't think the CS3 could be used as a remote controller because it doesn't have a Marklin Bus In connector to take a 60123 cable from a master controller.

See Peter's post from the other CS3 thread.

Yes they do, you have use the same cable that was used for the CS2 - 60123.

Marklin aren't quite as forward thinking as ESU in that regard - the MC2 is a nice device. I don't have one, but one of the guys in our club got one to try out but he doesn't own an Ecos, so had to borrow mine. Maybe he should donate it to me.......

The special cable is needed to use the booster of auxiliary devices.

Perhaps you missed it, because you do not find it relevant to you.

- 36100 MyWorld LINT with rechargeable accu *new*
- 36101 MyWorld Diesel with rechargeable accu *upgraded with accu*
- 26641 LINT 27 *new*
- 37085 Retooled BR 10
- 37728 Technically upgraded BR 628 (except for the motor which is still the old type, I believe)
- 37525 Technically upgraded BR 120 (new center motor with kardan shafts) *finally, I want this*
- 36190 Siemens Vectron *new*
- 60216 Central Station 3 Plus *new*
- 60226 Central Station 3 *new*
- 60970 Decoder Tester

Those are the ones I have noticed as being either new tooling or upgraded models or accessories. All things that eat from the budget. Personally, I don't mind that Märklin chooses to work with what they have and make that better in some ways. I like that I can grasp all the new items that are relevant for me, and actually be able to buy the ones I want and not missing out on some of them. Smaller new items line ups does the trick for me, so I don't mind. A handfull of my friends feel the same way, so maybe this is a good thing. It is for me - at least.

There are also some of the wagons are new. Notably some of the wagons to go with the Insider loco have slim line bremserhaus, and I thought there were some other new wagons through the range as well.

Well, they need to produce variations in the paint schemes to justify doing the development of the castings and moldings, so getting some more return on existing developments isn't such a bad thing.

Items like the 48054, which is being produced with a different road number (like they did with 48055 and 48057? last year) and a number of other wagons is not unreasonable. Many trains in real life have a considerable number of otherwise identical wagons in them, and it is not unreasonable to model things that way.

On pondering things over I am considering getting the G5/5 set with the 46280 style wagons. I already have a considerable number of these wagons from the various ones Marklin and Trix have produced which would make quite a train for this loco to pull.

And I am sure the ore wagons being done with extra road numbers - 12 in Marklin and 6 in Trix ranges - will be snapped up by those running the existing ore trains.

In Z gauge there are a number of new boxcars issued as lots of three or four individual wagons identical except for the road number. Last year Marklin did this for some similar G1 wagons. In some ways I see this as a better way of doing multiple wagons with different road numbers than having them all in one set - even if the set is individually boxed so it can be broken up.

Overall I think they have done a reasonable job of producing a range of 'repaints' of existing models, although the range of specific interest to me is limited. I don't think they will have a problem selling it all in 2016.

Hi all,

I agree with some users of this forum as well as Stummis who are pleased that they won't have to spend too much money on new Märklin items this year, but on the other hand I also feel that this is a rather poor lineup. There's more or less the usual number of new tooling locomotives as well as some examples of partial retooling, but a growing number of 'new' items are not even repaints, but absolutely identical to previous versions except for a new road number. That applies to locomotives as well as freight cars, for example 48054, 48029, 47213, 39408, 36624, 37464, 37139, etc. Märklin has done this before, but not as frequently as this year, and not usually in the main news catalogue released in January.

In addition to that, a few locomotives are 'recycled' items that were produced a couple of years ago but couldn't be sold, so they have been given a new road number (37067, 26603, 39554) or have been weathered (37067, 37247). I don't believe that Märklin planned to release last year's two versions of the new tooling BR 57 once again in 2016, so these are probably items that are not new at all. Last year Märklin did the same thing with the Prussian P 10 that did not sell, but as far as I remember this is the first time that I've seen this in the January news catalogue.

Märklin managers think that cheaper, less detailed Start Up locomotives are the solution, but they don't want to understand that one reason why their expensive steam locomotives are difficult to sell is that they now come with cheap can motors instead of real high-performance motors with bell-shaped armatures (i.e. Glockenanker/Faulhaber). Sales have been down since 2013, when the motors in a lot of Märklin locomotives were changed. Maybe I'm wrong, but in that case, sales should rise this year, as there is now a wider choice of inexpensive locomotives as well as single cars. We'll see ...

In this year's news catalogue, there's definitely some useful stuff that I will buy as it fits into my collection but there's nothing that I'm really excited about. When I told my wife, who is not interested in MRR, that I'm disappointed by this year's news and that sales will fall further in my opinion, her reply was: "Maybe they aren't planning to sell more." I guess they just want to increase the profit margin on the items they sell, and bringing back older models without changing the livery at all might help. Recycling items in stock reduces costs and is good for the company's cash flow.

I really hope that the summer & autumn news will be more interesting ...

Best regards,

Mark