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Hi, Has anyone ever built a marshaling hump on there layout? If so any pictures. Also any ideas for one. I was thinking of building one in the future. It would be digital with K track.    Lance
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Hi Lance, It has been discussed before on the forum, but as far as I know no one has actually done it here. There is a few Youtube videos in HO scale. I always wanted to have one as well, but realized you need a lot of room. It's also not so easy with Marklin couplings. I understand the pro type from old days was that a loco will push up already uncoupled wagons. However with Marklin couples you cannot really push without risking they coupled together again... I have done some experimenting trying to uncouple on a hump itself and then a gentle push to get the wagon rolling, but it's a fifty/fifty. The other issue is of course that its very difficult to break the wagons as they roll down (in the very old days this was done manually by people with brake poles - a rather risky job). Some modelers have experimented with air being blown towards the wagon. But it would definitely be a nice feature (and fun) having a hump yard on the layout. Brgds - Lasse |
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Hi Lance, If you have enough space to build it so do it  I was hoping to build one after we moved to this house but soon after I started to plan the layout I found out that there's not enough space for it. I had allready bought the 446 or 7043 from Ebay and now it lays in storage box   If you build it I hope that you share pictures with us. Cheers Åke
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Originally Posted by: Danlake  Hi Lance, It has been discussed before on the forum, but as far as I know no one has actually done it here. There is a few Youtube videos in HO scale. I always wanted to have one as well, but realized you need a lot of room. It's also not so easy with Marklin couplings. I understand the pro type from old days was that a loco will push up already uncoupled wagons. However with Marklin couples you cannot really push without risking they coupled together again... I have done some experimenting trying to uncouple on a hump itself and then a gentle push to get the wagon rolling, but it's a fifty/fifty. The other issue is of course that its very difficult to break the wagons as they roll down (in the very old days this was done manually by people with brake poles - a rather risky job). Some modelers have experimented with air being blown towards the wagon. But it would definitely be a nice feature (and fun) having a hump yard on the layout. Brgds - Lasse Lasse, Thanks for the video! I read this on slowing the wagons down " The model I saw in France has small clear nylon bristles coming out between the tracks of the sorting tracks. These slowed the wagons down sufficiently not to cause any problems. You didn't notice them. Only when the operator pointed them out, could you see them. " Sounds like a good idea. Sounds like the couplers would be a big issue. Lance
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Originally Posted by: Br502362 Hi Lance, If you have enough space to build it so do it I was hoping to build one after we moved to this house but soon after I started to plan the layout I found out that there's not enough space for it. I had allready bought the 446 or 7043 from Ebay and now it lays in storage box If you build it I hope that you share pictures with us. Cheers Åke Sharing pictures is half the fun! I have been looking at those signals that is what got me started. Lance
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I like the look of this one.  It is in Germany: Marshalling yard of Häfen und Güterverkehr Köln near Godorf Port. Also this one. Evonik Industries railway marshalling yard, Godorf, Cologne, Germany.  Lance
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Hi Lance I have planned a small one on my upper layer. See My layout
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Hi All
I have now built my hump yard, which works well. It is built using C track, which was bent gently over a wooden form, I have 1.3m slope up to a max height of 5cm and a fall slope of 0.7m onto the points. On the downward slope I have 4 uncouplers and I choose which uncoupler to use to govern the speed of the wagons. You need to know the wagons, some roll better than others but this happens in real life, so no difference. (It is normally calculated by computer and retarders slow the wagon to the correct speed.) The actual yard has a 1 in 100 slope which I found helps the wagons roll down the sidings, which are over 1m long.
I have been experimenting with my different wagons and learning each ones roll speeds etc. I hope to get a video of the yard in operation in the next week or so.
If you need it I have my latest SCARM layout design, I can put it in a PDF if you like.
I like logical shunting puzzles and using this hump yard has given me much pleasure, specifically orgainizing a consists in the correct order.
I will get on to the video
Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by: Timnomads Hi All
I have now built my hump yard, which works well. It is built using C track, which was bent gently over a wooden form, I have 1.3m slope up to a max height of 5cm and a fall slope of 0.7m onto the points. On the downward slope I have 4 uncouplers and I choose which uncoupler to use to govern the speed of the wagons. You need to know the wagons, some roll better than others but this happens in real life, so no difference. (It is normally calculated by computer and retarders slow the wagon to the correct speed.) The actual yard has a 1 in 100 slope which I found helps the wagons roll down the sidings, which are over 1m long.
I have been experimenting with my different wagons and learning each ones roll speeds etc. I hope to get a video of the yard in operation in the next week or so.
If you need it I have my latest SCARM layout design, I can put it in a PDF if you like.
I like logical shunting puzzles and using this hump yard has given me much pleasure, specifically orgainizing a consists in the correct order.
I will get on to the video
Hope this helps.
Tim
Hello Tim, I am watching your project with great interest. Modelling a hump distribution yard has always interested me. My layout is long settled in design so I have no prospects of incorporating one but I am glad to see you rising to the challenge. Look forward to your video, Regards, PJ
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saw one in 1989 at the Krefeld model train club in Germany! |
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The UK Fleischmann distributor has a layout that they took around exhibitions with a marshalling yard in a winter scene. It was about 10 feet long and 3-4 feet wide.
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek I remember that I have seen somewhere Märklins original plan for hump. Maybe an old track plan book. It was done with M track. It consisted of many short track pieces so there were no need for exessive bending of a single track. Cheers Åke
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Originally Posted by: Br502362 Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek I remember that I have seen somewhere Märklins original plan for hump. Maybe an old track plan book. It was done with M track. It consisted of many short track pieces so there were no need for exessive bending of a single track. Cheers Åke Åke, That would be great to see that plan. Time for me to do some searching. Lance
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Here is another video of how to do a hump yard: Uncouple on the decline. Brgds - Lasse |
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Hi all, I have been seaching the whole day for the Märklins original plan for hump with M-track. Result: Didn't find it! So frustrating when I know that I have seen it some where. But 1959 Märklin catalogue has a photo from it. I marked track seams with red arrows. I hope this helps you.  Cheers Åke
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Thanks! I like that plan. It has a lot of potential. Lance
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Originally Posted by: Br502362 Hi all, I have been seaching the whole day for the Märklins original plan for hump with M-track. Result: Didn't find it! So frustrating when I know that I have seen it some where. But 1959 Märklin catalogue has a photo from it. I marked track seams with red arrows. I hope this helps you. Cheers Åke Åke, Thank you for finding and pointing out the seams. Do you think it would work with K track? Lance
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Originally Posted by: lmedberry Originally Posted by: Br502362 Hi all, I have been seaching the whole day for the Märklins original plan for hump with M-track. Result: Didn't find it! So frustrating when I know that I have seen it some where. But 1959 Märklin catalogue has a photo from it. I marked track seams with red arrows. I hope this helps you. Cheers Åke Åke, Thank you for finding and pointing out the seams. Do you think it would work with K track? Lance Hi Lance, I don't see any reason why it would not work with K track. I believe that it's even easier than with M track. Cheers Åke
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Originally Posted by: Br502362
Hi Lance,
I don't see any reason why it would not work with K track.
I believe that it's even easier than with M track.
Cheers
Åke
I would agree. Also note that the piece of track between the right hand two arros is an uncoupler, so the wagon gets uncoupled just before it goes over the hump.
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Juha,
Which one is the switching lead?
In the same book plan #26 is also a hump layout.
What is nice is it is done in K track.
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HI all, This one is also from the Marklin Gleisanlagen 0700 book as well. In the right lower area the track goes under the hump area. I was wondering if the hump was built on top of the tunnel or does the tunnel go under the table? Lance 
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According to the German narrative, the outer "ring line" is to pass underneath. |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek According to the German narrative, the outer "ring line" is to pass underneath. Dear Lance and Ak, Indeed that is so. In my copy of "Gleisanlagen 0700 K+M" the page facing that shown in Lance's post #24 is a fold-out and shows the tunnel going under the level of the yard : The left side of the fold-out page :  The right side of the fold-out page :  Looking at the perspective in the sketch detail the outer circle line seems to be going under a hill on which the small marshaling yard and also the hump is situated:  Regards, PJ
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Hi PJ,
So that means the hump yard will be on a good sized hill as well as the hump it self.
In fact as I study it some more the hump and track before the hump is on a hill. See the area full left and in the middle where the hump track runs vertical, you can see the hill side.
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To save space, the hump itself could be placed in - or at the end of - a curve. |
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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Originally Posted by: Timnomads Hi All
I have now built my hump yard, which works well. It is built using C track, which was bent gently over a wooden form, I have 1.3m slope up to a max height of 5cm and a fall slope of 0.7m onto the points. On the downward slope I have 4 uncouplers and I choose which uncoupler to use to govern the speed of the wagons. You need to know the wagons, some roll better than others but this happens in real life, so no difference. (It is normally calculated by computer and retarders slow the wagon to the correct speed.) The actual yard has a 1 in 100 slope which I found helps the wagons roll down the sidings, which are over 1m long.
I have been experimenting with my different wagons and learning each ones roll speeds etc. I hope to get a video of the yard in operation in the next week or so.
If you need it I have my latest SCARM layout design, I can put it in a PDF if you like.
I like logical shunting puzzles and using this hump yard has given me much pleasure, specifically orgainizing a consists in the correct order.
I will get on to the video
Hope this helps.
Tim
Hi I loaded the video yesterday, see post under General HO Tim Hello Tim, I am watching your project with great interest. Modelling a hump distribution yard has always interested me. My layout is long settled in design so I have no prospects of incorporating one but I am glad to see you rising to the challenge. Look forward to your video, Regards, PJ
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If you are looking for ideas here is another one I posted a few years back, the main action is around 6:15 and also this one where the main action starts around 7:42 |
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Thanks GlennM |
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