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lmedberry		#1 Posted : 12 January 2016 04:00:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		Hi, Has anyone ever built a marshaling hump on there layout? If so any pictures. Also any ideas for one. I was thinking of building one in the future. It would be digital with K track. Lance
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Danlake		#2 Posted : 12 January 2016 05:23:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/08/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,571		Hi Lance, It has been discussed before on the forum, but as far as I know no one has actually done it here. There is a few Youtube videos in HO scale. I always wanted to have one as well, but realized you need a lot of room. It's also not so easy with Marklin couplings. I understand the pro type from old days was that a loco will push up already uncoupled wagons. However with Marklin couples you cannot really push without risking they coupled together again... I have done some experimenting trying to uncouple on a hump itself and then a gentle push to get the wagon rolling, but it's a fifty/fifty. The other issue is of course that its very difficult to break the wagons as they roll down (in the very old days this was done manually by people with brake poles - a rather risky job). Some modelers have experimented with air being blown towards the wagon. But it would definitely be a nice feature (and fun) having a hump yard on the layout. Brgds - Lasse
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Br502362		#3 Posted : 12 January 2016 06:09:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Hi Lance, If you have enough space to build it so do it I was hoping to build one after we moved to this house but soon after I started to plan the layout I found out that there's not enough space for it. I had allready bought the 446 or 7043 from Ebay and now it lays in storage box If you build it I hope that you share pictures with us. Cheers Åke
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lmedberry		#4 Posted : 12 January 2016 06:41:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		Originally Posted by: Danlake Hi Lance, It has been discussed before on the forum, but as far as I know no one has actually done it here. There is a few Youtube videos in HO scale. I always wanted to have one as well, but realized you need a lot of room. It's also not so easy with Marklin couplings. I understand the pro type from old days was that a loco will push up already uncoupled wagons. However with Marklin couples you cannot really push without risking they coupled together again... I have done some experimenting trying to uncouple on a hump itself and then a gentle push to get the wagon rolling, but it's a fifty/fifty. The other issue is of course that its very difficult to break the wagons as they roll down (in the very old days this was done manually by people with brake poles - a rather risky job). Some modelers have experimented with air being blown towards the wagon. But it would definitely be a nice feature (and fun) having a hump yard on the layout. Brgds - Lasse Lasse, Thanks for the video! I read this on slowing the wagons down " The model I saw in France has small clear nylon bristles coming out between the tracks of the sorting tracks. These slowed the wagons down sufficiently not to cause any problems. You didn't notice them. Only when the operator pointed them out, could you see them. " Sounds like a good idea. Sounds like the couplers would be a big issue. Lance
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lmedberry		#5 Posted : 12 January 2016 06:44:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		Originally Posted by: Br502362 Hi Lance, If you have enough space to build it so do it I was hoping to build one after we moved to this house but soon after I started to plan the layout I found out that there's not enough space for it. I had allready bought the 446 or 7043 from Ebay and now it lays in storage box If you build it I hope that you share pictures with us. Cheers Åke Sharing pictures is half the fun! I have been looking at those signals that is what got me started. Lance
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lmedberry		#6 Posted : 12 January 2016 08:01:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		I like the look of this one. It is in Germany: Marshalling yard of Häfen und Güterverkehr Köln near Godorf Port. Also this one. Evonik Industries railway marshalling yard, Godorf, Cologne, Germany. Lance
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bsk		#7 Posted : 12 January 2016 10:13:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/01/2016(UTC) Posts: 24 Location: Strib		Hi Lance I have planned a small one on my upper layer. See My layout
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Alsterstreek		#8 Posted : 12 January 2016 10:50:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,842 Location: Hybrid Home		Forum member Timnomads is planning one. He was already bending a piece of track to obtain a good "hump": https://www.marklin-user...Layout-design#post498499
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Timnomads		#9 Posted : 12 January 2016 11:35:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 301 Location: Grandvaux - Lausanne - Switzerland		Hi All I have now built my hump yard, which works well. It is built using C track, which was bent gently over a wooden form, I have 1.3m slope up to a max height of 5cm and a fall slope of 0.7m onto the points. On the downward slope I have 4 uncouplers and I choose which uncoupler to use to govern the speed of the wagons. You need to know the wagons, some roll better than others but this happens in real life, so no difference. (It is normally calculated by computer and retarders slow the wagon to the correct speed.) The actual yard has a 1 in 100 slope which I found helps the wagons roll down the sidings, which are over 1m long. I have been experimenting with my different wagons and learning each ones roll speeds etc. I hope to get a video of the yard in operation in the next week or so. If you need it I have my latest SCARM layout design, I can put it in a PDF if you like. I like logical shunting puzzles and using this hump yard has given me much pleasure, specifically orgainizing a consists in the correct order. I will get on to the video Hope this helps. Tim
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PJMärklin		#10 Posted : 12 January 2016 12:14:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,261 Location: Hobart, Australia		Originally Posted by: Timnomads Hi All I have now built my hump yard, which works well. It is built using C track, which was bent gently over a wooden form, I have 1.3m slope up to a max height of 5cm and a fall slope of 0.7m onto the points. On the downward slope I have 4 uncouplers and I choose which uncoupler to use to govern the speed of the wagons. You need to know the wagons, some roll better than others but this happens in real life, so no difference. (It is normally calculated by computer and retarders slow the wagon to the correct speed.) The actual yard has a 1 in 100 slope which I found helps the wagons roll down the sidings, which are over 1m long. I have been experimenting with my different wagons and learning each ones roll speeds etc. I hope to get a video of the yard in operation in the next week or so. If you need it I have my latest SCARM layout design, I can put it in a PDF if you like. I like logical shunting puzzles and using this hump yard has given me much pleasure, specifically orgainizing a consists in the correct order. I will get on to the video Hope this helps. Tim Hello Tim, I am watching your project with great interest. Modelling a hump distribution yard has always interested me. My layout is long settled in design so I have no prospects of incorporating one but I am glad to see you rising to the challenge. Look forward to your video, Regards, PJ
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DaleSchultz		#11 Posted : 12 January 2016 23:37:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		saw one in 1989 at the Krefeld model train club in Germany!
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kiwiAlan		#12 Posted : 12 January 2016 23:54:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		The UK Fleischmann distributor has a layout that they took around exhibitions with a marshalling yard in a winter scene. It was about 10 feet long and 3-4 feet wide.
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Br502362		#13 Posted : 13 January 2016 06:16:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Forum member Timnomads is planning one. He was already bending a piece of track to obtain a good "hump": https://www.marklin-user...Layout-design#post498499 I remember that I have seen somewhere Märklins original plan for hump. Maybe an old track plan book. It was done with M track. It consisted of many short track pieces so there were no need for exessive bending of a single track. Cheers Åke
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lmedberry		#14 Posted : 13 January 2016 07:59:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		Originally Posted by: Br502362 Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Forum member Timnomads is planning one. He was already bending a piece of track to obtain a good "hump": https://www.marklin-user...Layout-design#post498499 I remember that I have seen somewhere Märklins original plan for hump. Maybe an old track plan book. It was done with M track. It consisted of many short track pieces so there were no need for exessive bending of a single track. Cheers Åke Åke, That would be great to see that plan. Time for me to do some searching. Lance
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Danlake		#15 Posted : 13 January 2016 09:20:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/08/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,571		Here is another video of how to do a hump yard: Uncouple on the decline. Brgds - Lasse
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Alsterstreek		#16 Posted : 13 January 2016 14:46:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,842 Location: Hybrid Home		Originally Posted by: lmedberry That would be great to see that plan. Time for me to do some searching. Found by searching dox under the link given in this forum member post: https://www.marklin-user...9938-H0-plans#post429938 No. 9 = hump
		Greetz - Ak My current "layout": https://www.marklin-user...aigne-Project#post592818
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Br502362		#17 Posted : 13 January 2016 18:28:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Hi all, I have been seaching the whole day for the Märklins original plan for hump with M-track. Result: Didn't find it! So frustrating when I know that I have seen it some where. But 1959 Märklin catalogue has a photo from it. I marked track seams with red arrows. I hope this helps you. Cheers Åke
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lmedberry		#18 Posted : 14 January 2016 06:03:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: lmedberry That would be great to see that plan. Time for me to do some searching. Found by searching dox under the link given in this forum member post: https://www.marklin-user...9938-H0-plans#post429938 No. 9 = hump Thanks! I like that plan. It has a lot of potential. Lance
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lmedberry		#19 Posted : 14 January 2016 06:05:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		Originally Posted by: Br502362 Hi all, I have been seaching the whole day for the Märklins original plan for hump with M-track. Result: Didn't find it! So frustrating when I know that I have seen it some where. But 1959 Märklin catalogue has a photo from it. I marked track seams with red arrows. I hope this helps you. Cheers Åke Åke, Thank you for finding and pointing out the seams. Do you think it would work with K track? Lance
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Br502362		#20 Posted : 14 January 2016 06:13:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Originally Posted by: lmedberry Originally Posted by: Br502362 Hi all, I have been seaching the whole day for the Märklins original plan for hump with M-track. Result: Didn't find it! So frustrating when I know that I have seen it some where. But 1959 Märklin catalogue has a photo from it. I marked track seams with red arrows. I hope this helps you. Cheers Åke Åke, Thank you for finding and pointing out the seams. Do you think it would work with K track? Lance Hi Lance, I don't see any reason why it would not work with K track. I believe that it's even easier than with M track. Cheers Åke
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kiwiAlan		#21 Posted : 14 January 2016 14:01:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Br502362 Hi Lance, I don't see any reason why it would not work with K track. I believe that it's even easier than with M track. Cheers Åke I would agree. Also note that the piece of track between the right hand two arros is an uncoupler, so the wagon gets uncoupled just before it goes over the hump.
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Brakeman		#22 Posted : 15 January 2016 04:45:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 304 Location: Southern California		The book with the referred track plan no 21 is Marklin Gleisanlagen 0700. It-s also been discussed in the thread https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t15503-Is-there-an-english-version-of-the-Marklin-book-GLEISANLAGEN The hump in this plan is on a switching lead making the operation awkward to me. Regards, Juha Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: lmedberry That would be great to see that plan. Time for me to do some searching. Found by searching dox under the link given in this forum member post: https://www.marklin-user...9938-H0-plans#post429938 No. 9 = hump
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lmedberry		#23 Posted : 15 January 2016 06:41:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		Juha, Which one is the switching lead? In the same book plan #26 is also a hump layout. What is nice is it is done in K track. Lance
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lmedberry		#24 Posted : 16 January 2016 06:00:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		HI all, This one is also from the Marklin Gleisanlagen 0700 book as well. In the right lower area the track goes under the hump area. I was wondering if the hump was built on top of the tunnel or does the tunnel go under the table? Lance
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Alsterstreek		#25 Posted : 16 January 2016 09:57:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,842 Location: Hybrid Home		According to the German narrative, the outer "ring line" is to pass underneath.
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PJMärklin		#26 Posted : 16 January 2016 11:13:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,261 Location: Hobart, Australia		Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek According to the German narrative, the outer "ring line" is to pass underneath. Dear Lance and Ak, Indeed that is so. In my copy of "Gleisanlagen 0700 K+M" the page facing that shown in Lance's post #24 is a fold-out and shows the tunnel going under the level of the yard : The left side of the fold-out page : The right side of the fold-out page : Looking at the perspective in the sketch detail the outer circle line seems to be going under a hill on which the small marshaling yard and also the hump is situated: Regards, PJ
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lmedberry		#27 Posted : 17 January 2016 06:15:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 55		Hi PJ, So that means the hump yard will be on a good sized hill as well as the hump it self. In fact as I study it some more the hump and track before the hump is on a hill. See the area full left and in the middle where the hump track runs vertical, you can see the hill side. Lance
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Alsterstreek		#28 Posted : 17 January 2016 09:51:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,842 Location: Hybrid Home		To save space, the hump itself could be placed in - or at the end of - a curve.
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Timnomads		#29 Posted : 18 January 2016 12:16:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 301 Location: Grandvaux - Lausanne - Switzerland		Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Originally Posted by: Timnomads Hi All I have now built my hump yard, which works well. It is built using C track, which was bent gently over a wooden form, I have 1.3m slope up to a max height of 5cm and a fall slope of 0.7m onto the points. On the downward slope I have 4 uncouplers and I choose which uncoupler to use to govern the speed of the wagons. You need to know the wagons, some roll better than others but this happens in real life, so no difference. (It is normally calculated by computer and retarders slow the wagon to the correct speed.) The actual yard has a 1 in 100 slope which I found helps the wagons roll down the sidings, which are over 1m long. I have been experimenting with my different wagons and learning each ones roll speeds etc. I hope to get a video of the yard in operation in the next week or so. If you need it I have my latest SCARM layout design, I can put it in a PDF if you like. I like logical shunting puzzles and using this hump yard has given me much pleasure, specifically orgainizing a consists in the correct order. I will get on to the video Hope this helps. Tim Hi I loaded the video yesterday, see post under General HO Tim Hello Tim, I am watching your project with great interest. Modelling a hump distribution yard has always interested me. My layout is long settled in design so I have no prospects of incorporating one but I am glad to see you rising to the challenge. Look forward to your video, Regards, PJ
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Jimmy Thompson		#30 Posted : 30 January 2024 17:53:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 749 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Granted, this is a "few" years after the fact, however, in keeping with a personal philosophy of cross-referencing darn near everything , this is a small hump yard from Johnjean which seems to work quite well: https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...rd-controlled-by-Rocrail And another from history https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...740-Video-with-hump-yard Edited by user 31 January 2024 01:35:46(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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GlennM		#31 Posted : 31 January 2024 05:02:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,969 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		If you are looking for ideas here is another one I posted a few years back, the main action is around 6:15 and also this one where the main action starts around 7:42
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Jimmy Thompson		#32 Posted : 31 January 2024 11:47:32(UTC) Retweet
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Jimmy Thompson		#33 Posted : 18 April 2024 12:46:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 749 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Here is another video of a Marshalling yard in tischbahn... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0RvZ1bvJXk
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