Joined: 16/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 301 Location: Grandvaux - Lausanne - Switzerland
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Hi I am about to start my first faller kit and bought some faller glue (with the thin metal tube applicator) the shop said if it blocks - to warm the metal tube with a BIC lighter, and he showed me how. it was at that point I noticed Highly flammable written in large letters on the bottle. Dooes anybody else use this method to unblock an applicator tube, is it safe or is there a safer method ? Tim
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Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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Hi Tim,
I do it all the time. It's the only way to unblock it sometimes.
Just be sure you've pulled the metal tube out of the plastic bottle before you apply a flame to it. You don't want to set fire to the whole bottle! |
Ray
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Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland
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I do it all the time too but I have never pulled the needle out of the bottle.
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Joined: 21/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Chalandri, Athens
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I do it all the time also. Never pulled the needle out, i just squeeze the bottle a little and then i use the lighter at the tip of the needle.
Yannis
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Joined: 10/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 6 Location: Frederikssund
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I use the small cleaning wire that comes with a smoke generator to clean the needle. Usually does the trick. If you purchase the "Expert Laser" glue item no. 170494 there is a small cleaning wire included which also can be used.
Regards, Jakob.
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Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165
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I myself pull the needle an give it a good campfire with a cigarette lighter, since I don't use the glue so often and it is properly dried up... Once did put the needle back before it was properly cooled down - molten plastic at the needle base, needle popped out and a general mess it was when I squeezed the bottle... But you learn from your mistakes, and I am a bit more patient nowadays... |
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Joined: 29/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,422 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Can someone post a photo or link of what kind of glue we are talking about? Is this a tin squeeze tube? What is meant by the "thin tube applicator" I usually use the brush on Tamiya, of the Poly with a thin metal tube at end, but thats in a plastic bottle. I use a copper wire inside the tube to keep it clean... are we talking about that kind of tube? - Mark
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Hello Mark. I think it's that kind below. Both of them have a metal needle. I personally don't like that kind of glue. Cheers, Walter  
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Joined: 29/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,422 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Thanks Walter,
I do use this glue occasionally but find the glue still runs out too much. I put a bit down on a plate or palette and apply minute amounts with a toothpick if need be. If with large amounts of areas need to be glued I find its not too bad.
Otherwise I find the brush on kind give more control and in thinner layers. - Mark
quote=waorb;501880]Hello Mark.
I think it's that kind below. Both of them have a metal needle. I personally don't like that kind of glue.
Cheers,
Walter
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DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70. In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland
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I think the white-blue Faller expert bottle 174092 is by far the best glue, I don't like the orange bottle (super expert). The Revell contacta glue gives more discoloration and stains, that show up after a few months. Marco (pictures are from Google ... not mine)  |
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Joined: 18/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,081 Location: Denmark
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I too use a lighter. It works like a charm. |
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Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165
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Well, I have had the same white Faller bottle of glue as Marco shows but I also use the orange Faller bottle as well as Humbrol, Revell and UHU equivalents... However, I also use my favorite lubricant for locos - the Faller oil with added teflon, also in a similar white bottle... So once when I needed the lubricant to make a pair of scissors smoother to cut out decals for the marklin-users wagons, I just took a white bottle from the shelf and applied it... I quickly noticed my mistake - I had taken the glue instead of oil... |
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Joined: 28/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 632
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Hello, friends,
I use the lighter too, without pulling out the needle!! My favourite, anyway, is the Vollmer glue (orange bottle)...just the best!
kind regards Stefano Rocca
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I use the FALLER orange SUPR EXPERT and I am satisfied with the results
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I use Faller glue too. I keep needle clear using the wire of a common bag tie with the paper stripped off. Works great. 
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Joined: 21/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Toronto
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For the uninitiated (me  ), can someone explain: 1. What practical difference is there between the glue discussed above and regular cheap glue? 2. To re-attach a little figurine that came off a platform when I moved it  , is it better to apply a very small tad of glue to the platform surface or to the bottom of the feet of the figurine (with a pin or needle)? Thanks.  |
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Originally Posted by: baggio  2. To re-attach a little figurine that came off a platform when I moved it  , is it better to apply a very small tad of glue to the platform surface or to the bottom of the feet of the figurine (with a pin or needle)? Thanks.  For people, I use white wood glue. I put a dab of glue on some scrap, and then I touch the feet of the person in the glue, and stand them where needed. The trick is to get just enough glue so that it is not visible when dry. http://cabin-layout.blog...5/01/S-Bahn-Gleis-1.html |
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Originally Posted by: baggio  For the uninitiated (me  ), can someone explain: 1. What practical difference is there between the glue discussed above and regular cheap glue? 2. To re-attach a little figurine that came off a platform when I moved it  , is it better to apply a very small tad of glue to the platform surface or to the bottom of the feet of the figurine (with a pin or needle)? Thanks.  Going the cheap route gives you the cheap results! By using the right glue for the job you get professional results. As the saying goes a little dab will do! For figurines use the bottle with the needle applicator or use a wire and a little dab will do ya! Michel
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Joined: 21/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Toronto
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I love your station, Dale, and your Knorr train (I have one, too). Thanks to both of you for the feedback. |
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Hi all, I use 0,3mm piano wire. It is also used to steer linecontrol model planes.  Cheers Åke
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Joined: 30/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 276 Location: Houston, Texas
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The blue and white Faller expert shown by Marco in an earlier post is also my first choice. I am aware of how good it was now that I can no longer obtain it. Tex
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Maybe I'm just cussed, but when a new product called Super-X is introduced alongside an existing good product called X, I tend to continue to favour X unless some very good reasons are given why Super-X is so super, and AFAIK in this case the reasons have not been given. Jabez |
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Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest
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Under the term 'glue' there are several adhesives in different categories that are suited for specific purposes. Of course, what the manufacturers are for your country varies so you have to find the appropriate brand/source you can use.
1) PVA Glue (polyvinylacetate glue) - is the traditional white glue great for gluing porous items to other porous items - paper, wood, fabric, and when watered down for setting sand/gravel/balast and gluing down static grass, and scenery. This glue type drys clear but tends to be a bit brittle and doesn't work well for plastic or very small contact surfaces, or because it is more brittle, for joints that flex such as gluing foam to foam.
2) CA (cyanoacrylate) - aka super glue - is a very fast drying strong bond suited well for gluing very small items to other small surfaces, especially when not a lot of stress/strain will be applied to the parts. Tends to work well on all types of materials, though better if not too porous. Will cause fogging of transparent plastics (windows, etc) so a special 'clear' variety is needed if used around clear plastic windows.
3) E6000 - craft glue, some types of Uhu, comes in several colors (white, clear, etc) and sticks to all types of materials and dries to a pliable solid - good for anchoring of heavier things like trees with root bases, to wood or foam layout base.
4) hot glue - applied with hot glue gun - similar to E6000 except its heated to liquid and cools to a semi-pliable glued state. Also best used for decorating with some types of scenery, and adhering some types of foams/porous material.
5) Plastic Cement - such as the Faller, Revell, or Testor Model Master - are cements - they partly dissolve the plastic surfaces, which then intermingle on a molecular level as the cement's solvent evaporates and the plastic parts harden again, very solidly bonded. This glue is the best solution for building plastic models. They are designed to work with a specific type of plastic - that category used in plastic models. Think of the same thing as PVC cement used in assembling PVC pipes for water lines.
6) 2 component Epoxy - such as JB Weld, Pattex Stabilit Express, etc - where you mix two components of viscous/gel and another viscous/gel or powder, which starts the chemical bonding reaction... and over a few to several, that gel mix will harden to a super hard, well adhering solid epoxy. This is best for very strong bonds that you NEVER have to separate again. Not suited for delicate or small bonds. |
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nice summary of the glue types. I just got a Faller kit and it is a Lasercut kit. It contains some cardboard, wood and plastic parts. (for the plastic to plastic joints I will use plastic cement) Faller of course suggests using their 170494 EXPERT LASERCUT product. Not exactly easy to find in the woods of Maine. It is described as multipurpose glue. Does anyone know which of the 6 categories above it falls into? I am guessing the E6000 category. Doing google searches on glue to use for lasercut models I came across WeldBond. Would WeldBond be a similar glue ? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RM70OGEAny other suggestions on good glues for lasercut models? |
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Joined: 20/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 809 Location: Leopold, Victoria
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Weld bond is a very sting PVA glue. Excellent for wood , glass, tile, cement and hard plastics. |
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Originally Posted by: Legless  Weld bond is a very sting PVA glue. Excellent for wood , glass, tile, cement and hard plastics. Thanks! I have a bottle of it arriving Wednesday! |
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Joined: 21/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Toronto
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What about simple "hot glue" that is a lot more economical? Check the dollar stores.
Not adequate for the purpose? (There are different types, however, perhaps it may be a matter of getting two types.) |
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz  Faller of course suggests using their 170494 EXPERT LASERCUT product. Not exactly easy to find in the woods of Maine. It is described as multipurpose glue.
Based on the description and bottle look, I'm going to guess its a basic white PVA glue. The benefit of theirs is it comes in that bottle, with its needle like applicator, which allows for a more precise application, than you would get, say from a USA Elmer's Glue bottle. Might be thinner too (and quicker setting than Elmer's style white PVA). |
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Joined: 09/11/2013(UTC) Posts: 335 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Originally Posted by: baggio  What about simple "hot glue" that is a lot more economical? Check the dollar stores. Originally Posted by: michelvr  Going the cheap route gives you the cheap results! By using the right glue for the job you get professional results. |
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Joined: 20/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 809 Location: Leopold, Victoria
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With the PVA glues in Australia for strength are as follows. White PVA glue is medium. Beige Builders PVA glue stronger. Weldbond stronger. (PVA) Bondcrete stronger. (Used in cement). PVA Silasec stronger. (Again used in cement). PVA Polyurethane glue strongest. It foams up, filling up gaps). Or Araldite 2 pack epoxy. (24 hr best) |
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Originally Posted by: Minok  Based on the description and bottle look, I'm going to guess its a basic white PVA glue.
Hello, I wanted a rustic garage for the works vehicles on an upper (coal mine) level of my layout and found a nice Faller one when searching for other buildings in Germany a few years ago. When I got home I initially felt a bit put out in that I discovered that it was "lasercut" made of wood and that I would have to obtain some different glue. I thought it was just PVA ("white glue") but this did not work well and eventually I obtained the Faller Lasercut glue. It is not simply white glue but seems also to have some added latex-like element. It sets more quickly than PVA (but much more slowly than the various plastic glues we use.) Ultimately I was satisfied with the material and appearance of the completed kit; also the faller "lasercut" glue :   I think I still prefer to work with plastic building kits. Regards, PJ
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The WeldBond is white and rather thick. It takes an hour to dry (up to 24) - not suitable at all for kit building.
A friend is mailing me some glue he bought in Germany called BINDAN-RS a fast setting wood glue.
I will also add a bottle of Faller lasercut expert glue to my next train order. |
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Sorry for bumping...just my two cents... I believe that superglue (cyano) is the thing for resin. My favourite of this brew is Hafixs Professional Glue, which was recommended to me by Ivan Smith many years ago. I buy it online, usually a couple of bottles at a time so it's always there. I keep it on the bench and seems to last a very long time. I have never had a problem with it going off, it just gets quite thick as it gets old, (which turns it into a sort of gel, useful like that). I also use Deluxe Materials Roket Tricky Stick when bonding awkward materials (not just styrene, which it's intended for) and this seems to help the stuff achieve a good bond. With any cyano, a close fitting joint is important, so if you can't achieve that, a gel type cyano is useful, as has been said. I always used to use Loctite Superglue and Loctite Superglue Gel, (simply because I used to work for the store that sells it and I have a retirement discount card!) but recently the formula has changed and it doesn't seem quite as good. I seem to recall that many, many years ago there was an excellent article in one of the older magazines about the use of cyano, and it spoke of holding joints together and introducing the glue into the joint and allowing it to wick in, as you would with solvent. I have a vague feeling it may have been written by Will Litchfield of this parish, but memory may be playing tricks... As for epoxy, my favourite remains Plastic Padding Super Steel https://besttoolexpert.com/glue-for-plastic/ (the yellow tubes available from Halfords, accept no other) which is truly wonderful stuff. It mixes to a stiff dark grey paste which stays where it is put and goes off quite quickly, and because it's grey you can see where you've put it. With a cocktail stick for mixing it's very easy to use very small amounts, which might help you, David, with assembly of joints without glue going all over the place - although you will still have to hold the joint still for a few minutes until it starts to go off. Once it's started to cure you can cut any surplus away with a sharp blade, or trim it later with a blade or file. A great bonus is that you can squeeze an inch (say) of adhesive and hardener onto a square of glossy card (from old cereal packets, David Dornom's idea) and just mix a little as you need it. The remainder can be used over a period of days by removing the skin that forms on the grey adhesive. On plastics and suchlike it's not quite so good, but I always roughen the surfaces and sometimes even brush some of the aforementioned Tricky Stick, which seems to help even though it probably shouldn't. There are a lot of cool YouTube videos on this subject, here’s one of them.Good luck
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Originally Posted by: JakDah  I use the small cleaning wire that comes with a smoke generator to clean the needle. Usually does the trick.
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Me too
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