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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Originally Posted by: BrandonVA  Old B&O Mainline (Harper's Ferry West Virginia) Hello, Since the subject of my favorite nearby National Park has come up, I thought I'd add some historical, as well as present day commentary. - The town of Harper's Ferry is at the confluence of the Potomac (entering from the left) and Shenandoah (entering from the bottom) rivers. The states of Maryland, Virginia and West Virgina all meet at this point. The lower part of the town of Harper's Ferry, West Virginia is a historical site maintained by the US Park service, as it looked in the mid 1800's. The town was the location of a Federal arsenal. This is where the infamous John Brown tried to start his rebellion/slave uprising. Col. Robert E. Lee then of the US Army, commanded the troops that responded. They trapped Brown and his band in the fire house of the arsenal (small building, lower left part of the image, set a side from the others). Even though this incident happened a number of years prior to its start, many historians consider it to be the opening of the US Civil War. BTW, the arsenal was burned by Union troops at the beginning of the war, to keep it from falling into Confederate hands.
- On the far side of the Potomac River, the trail along the shore is the Chesapeake and Ohio (C&O) Canal towpath (also a National Park). It runs from Washington DC, to Cumberland, Maryland (~184 miles/295 km). Today it is is a favorite hiking, biking and camping destination. Sadly only a few short sections are maintained with working locks and water.
- On July 4th, 1830 two companies were founded in Baltimore, Maryland. The C&O Canal Co. (trying to imitate the success of the Erie Canal in New York) and the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (first railroad in the U.S.) Both intended to connect the Ohio River valley to the eastern seaboard of the US via the port of Baltimore. The B&O reached Cumberland decades before the canal. The B&O also made it all the way across the Appalachian mountains to the Ohio River. The canal gave up when they finally reached Cumberland. The canal operated until the 1920's when a hurricane finally shut it down. Many sections of the B&O are still used by CSX today, this line included.
- The nearer of the two bridges has a pedestrian platform. It can be used to cross back and forth from the town, to the Maryland shore. Today the platform is inclosed in a chain link cage. When I was growing up, it was not. One used to be able to walk through the tunnel to the other side of the cliff. I don't know if that is still possible. It's quite interesting when a train comes and one is on the bridge or in the tunnel.
- This is one of my favorite train spotting locations in this area. The line going west (bridge with the the train) still gets a lot of traffic. Though one will never see an Accela on this line, there is a lot of freight traffic as well as commuter trains in and out of DC that are run by the state of Maryland. I don't know if Amtrak still has any trans that use this line.
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Thx Rob, Indeed a wonderful venue (albeit with a partially tragic background). Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Harper's Ferry is beautiful place. I have been there several times and have parked in that station parking lot too. If you are ever in the Washington DC area it is well worth the trip. Peter  Edited by user 11 May 2015 21:33:00(UTC)
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Former Southern Pacific Siskiyou line from California to Oregon. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Same motive as above. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Cont'd Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Cont'd Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And the last vintage postcard. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Recently in Lisbon, Portugal:  Intermodal train coming from Alcântara container terminal...  crossing the double track suburban Linha de Cascais.  Edited by user 14 July 2015 19:58:35(UTC)
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"Praias do Sado: An interesting prototypical cluster in the hinterland of the Setubal port area in Portugal, ca. 50 km south of Lisbon. A wye housing a passenger station for through traffic (almost adjacent to a single track passenger terminal on the same line - like on a MRR layout); nowadays only served by suburban trains, the station saw intercity trains in the past. Radiating from the wye are various industry spurs and a small freight marshalling yard. All tracks are under wire and are served by both, electric and diesel locos. See pix.  Zooming in:   The details:     (Courtesy of Bing Maps) |
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The prototype kindly matching most MRR layout designs:  Station in the front of the oval with the single-track mainline circling the town before disappearing in a tunnel.  Very kind of Bruegge in Westphalia.  Courtesy of Bing Maps. |
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Bruegge / Westphalia, 1959 - special photo for the (analogue) Maerklinist and Faller building fan: BR 38 (P8) steamer with "Wannentender" pulling a short three-axle coach train, helped by a V100 diesel.  Millions of oval layout builders planning too steep ramps cannot be wrong. |
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Curves for seemingly no reason at all? Yes, it is prototypical. Berlin Ostkreuz, a few days ago. 
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Originally Posted by: perz Curves for seemingly no reason at all? Maybe one needs a larger picture (pun intended) to understand the reason. Such fences are typically using during constructions works. Such works can take many months, while train operation is interrupted for a few weekends only. If tracks have to be moved, they will be moved piece by piece. During a blocked weekend, the old track will be disconnected and the new track will be connected. In my hometown they moved the platform from one side of the tunnel to the other side - took years with a few blocked weekends in between. And there were temporary curves while transition was on it's way. With respect to the picture: maybe they needed room for a new platform where two tracks used to be side by side. One probably finds older photos on Google maps and Bing maps. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: perz Curves for seemingly no reason at all? Maybe one needs a larger picture (pun intended) to understand the reason. Such fences are typically using during constructions works. Such works can take many months, while train operation is interrupted for a few weekends only. If tracks have to be moved, they will be moved piece by piece. During a blocked weekend, the old track will be disconnected and the new track will be connected. In my hometown they moved the platform from one side of the tunnel to the other side - took years with a few blocked weekends in between. And there were temporary curves while transition was on it's way. With respect to the picture: maybe they needed room for a new platform where two tracks used to be side by side. One probably finds older photos on Google maps and Bing maps. It also looks like they were constrained on where the track could go without doing a major change to the catenary. They middle track seems to have the catenary attached to the outside of the masts holding the catenary for the right hand track. Probably cheaper to do that than make a nice single curve ...
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA  Tehachapi Loop (Kern County, California) Forum member blid found this fascinating video: |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: BrandonVA 90 degree bend right out of a tunnel?
DRGW Moffat Tunnel, West Entrance (Winter Park, Colorado)
Another layout-specific curiosity, turnout fairly close to a tunnel entrance:  Also, looking at this current-day google maps link, an interesting arrangement of passing sidings and a small wye. -Brandon |
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Rio Grande - The Action Road  |
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S-curve in long distance train track #5 in Hamburg-Altona, Germany.  |
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For the US train fans: Gilluly loops in Utah between Provo and Soldier Summit; formerly D&RGW and still double track, with a long siding around the first horseshoe curve.  |
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Still D&RGW: Rollins Pass, also known as Corona Pass, elevation 11,676 ft (3,559 m), is a mountain pass in the Rocky Mountains located on the continental divide in Colorado in the United States. The railroad line was abandoned after the opening of the Moffat tunnel in 1928.  Riflesight Notch in 1903: A loop where trains crossed over a trestle, went through a loop, and passed through a tunnel underneath the trestle.  Historic map with alternative locations of the planned Moffat tunnel and the route of the Rollins Pass railroad.  Aerial view of the Eastern access to Rollins Pass. |
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Short TEE with Lok 103 117-8. TEE28/29 "Heinrich Heine" in 1982 Dortmund-Frankfurt. (Die Bundesbahnzeit) It even has a Restaurant coach in the center. Peter  4 coach IC885 with Lok 103 166-5 . IC "Lucas Cranach" to Munich. 3x 2nd class coaches/1x 1st class. 1990 .(Die Bundesbahnzeit) 
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Now, what do we have here? German prototype, modern double-track (secondary) mainline not under wire - the Upper Ruhr Valley Railway: A turnout in front of the tunnel, a road bridge just on top of the tunnel portal, and a station entry signal potentially stopping a train in the tunnel.  Elleringhäuser Tunnel, Brilon-Wald station (2003). A Maerklin-type grade level crossing just in front of the tunnel portal with an old distant signal in between.  Messinghauser Tunnel, Messinghausen station (1985) Source: http://www.eisenbahn-tun...tale/2550.html#landkarte |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Now, what do we have here? German prototype, modern double-track (secondary) mainline not under wire - the Upper Ruhr Valley Railway:
A turnout in front of the tunnel, ..... Hello Ak, Thanks for your post - now I am happier about the turnout in front of the tunnel (in the interest of available space!) Regards, PJ 
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Like the 7390? I understand your reasoning, but actually I meant the “Halbschranke” 7292/74920/74922/74923(or 78070/78071) in HO scale (with expansion set 74930/7593) or 8992 in Z-scale :o) Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Thanks for your post - now I am happier about the turnout in front of the tunnel (in the interest of available space!) Yes, certified prototypically correct. You could even add a road bridge and a signal. ;o) |
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I have also seen pairs of switches near tunnel entrances on Youtube on the line between Innsbruck and Brenner. I have modeled this on my layout. Photos of areas below. Peter   Edited by user 09 October 2015 18:54:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin ......
Hello Ak,
Thanks for your post - now I am happier about the turnout in front of the tunnel (in the interest of available space!)
Regards,
PJ Originally Posted by: petestra I have also seen pairs of switches near tunnel entrances on Youtube on the line between Innsbruck and Brenner. I have modeled this on my layout. Peter Hi PJ and Pete, Both showing beautiful modelling of comprehensive right-of-way facilities. Thank you. regards Kimball |
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Slight detour to the USA: East 51st Street crosses under US Rt 64 in Tulsa Oklahoma. We have a gated level grade crossing diagonally across a divided highway, with a highway overpass above!  Street viewIn the general are awe can see some exciting track planning; a passing area, industry spurs, and a fairly unique double reverse spur:  Map link-Brandon |
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Update: This is the Union Pacific "Tulsa Yard", if you look at the satellite view you can see there are a few more now abandoned spurs. At 5300 S 108 E Ave in Tulsa, OK there is a small UP office for managing this area. Street view link-Brandon |
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Modeling a rural and hilly area in Germany? Owning diesels in various paint schemes? Using overcrowded branch line station sidings for "parking" trains? Prototypical in Winterberg terminus in the Sauerland uplands.  Ski trains et al. in 1988. http://www.drehscheibe-o...oren/read.php?17,6270997 |
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The ultimate excuse: 103 hauling freight in 2011.  |
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Great one, AK. I did that one on my layout way back when I was a teen. I still have the photo. I'll try to find and post it. Peter 
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Being a Whovian I think this might be the scariest thing I have ever seen!  |
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 Are Austrian Railways using C track these days? 
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As I've just bought one of these, I had to check the prototypical formations:  
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Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Kruiner Tunnel, Eneppetalbahn: Would one get away with this on a MRR layout?  Oh, might have to go and seek that one out. Interesting that they have done away with the light rail, or is the rail traffic that light they use those tracks today?
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Oh, might have to go and seek that one out. Interesting that they have done away with the light rail, or is the rail traffic that light they use those tracks today? (German) Wikipedia entry: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruiner_TunnelLocation (courtesy of Bing Maps):  West Portal: 51° 18′ 37,6″ N, 7° 20′ 29,5″ E East Portal: 51° 18′ 36,2″ N, 7° 20′ 33,5″ E |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Oh, might have to go and seek that one out. Interesting that they have done away with the light rail, or is the rail traffic that light they use those tracks today? (German) Wikipedia entry: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruiner_TunnelLocation (courtesy of Bing Maps): West Portal: 51° 18′ 37,6″ N, 7° 20′ 29,5″ E East Portal: 51° 18′ 36,2″ N, 7° 20′ 33,5″ E Oh, thanks for the pointer, might go and look in April if we get to go to the Dortmund Messe.
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Actually it might be Rocoline or Fleischmann, as this British DCC modeller has varied DCC models, including lots of Trix which he obviously loves, and a very nice station which if you could see it without the trains on, might look very similar. He makes a lot of videos other forum members will be interested in, explore his youtube channel |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek The ultimate excuse: 103 hauling freight in 2011.
Thank you! This was the last excuse I needed to get a 103 into a more modern layout! :)
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