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Originally Posted by: mbarreto 
Seems the wheels of the 39206 with oil tender are the standard spoked wheels.
According to the Marklin brochure these spoked wheels are reinforced,the spokes must be a bit thicker than standard spokes. Knowing Marklin,they have followed the prototype in this respect. |
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Bugger, I was hoping for some east german coaches. I like the color scheme and I have these DB coaches out the ying-yang. Edit: Just noticed, they are era 4. |
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As found on the site of Marklin.nl: http://www.marklin.nl/ni...ge/image_view_fullscreenThe two loco's are released to celebrate 25 years of reunification of West and East Germany. The supporting text says: "Steamlocomotives without borders". You can clearly see the reinforced spokes of the ERA 4 loco with oiltender. I still prefer the ERA 3 version with Boxspok wheels. I sincerely hope that the price will come down over the next year or so. Even better,let them issue a down to earth version without sound later on,at a lower price,please. Paul. Edited by user 12 September 2015 12:10:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Bugger, I was hoping for some east german coaches. Yes, I had expected some pre-war coaches in DR livery to make an era III train. But surprise, surprise, it is an era IV train made up of DB coaches only. The train route from Frankfurt/Main to Frankfurt/Oder also surprises me. It seems this train was hauled by BR 01.5 a glorious 20 km through Western Germany before entering the GDR - the train had to change direction at Bebra and I assume the DR loco took over there. In the future they can still make a train for the Berlin/Hamburg route that brought the BR 01.5 to Hamburg. Their train choice - after thorough market research, I assume - surprises me. The Märklin brochure shows a hand-made sample of 01 512. In this thread you can find some prototype photos (you may have to click the link twice - and scroll down a bit): http://www.drehscheibe-o...oren/read.php?17,3189084The photos are from 1966, the Märklin model shows the state from "around 1967". It seems 01 512 lost the skirt above the wheels in 1967. I might be interested in an era III version with boxpok wheels and with skirt above the wheels. I can wait. And I can live with tender-driven locos. |
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I reckon the price will go down to a more realistic Euro 350.- mark in a years time.
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: biedmatt Bugger, I was hoping for some east german coaches. Yes, I had expected some pre-war coaches in DR livery to make an era III train. But surprise, surprise, it is an era IV train made up of DB coaches only. I suspect this is economic reality settling on the roost. They already have the model designs for these coaches available, and only minor 'window dressing' of the destination boards is required to make a consist that fits the locos. It will also have required a minimum of research time to sort out what was required. Once they have some initial return on the locos and some more research and design time, then a GDR set of coaches will appear would be my expectation.
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt
Bugger, I was hoping for some east german coaches. I like the color scheme and I have these DB coaches out the ying-yang.
Edit: Just noticed, they are era 4.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan I suspect this is economic reality settling on the roost. They already have the model designs for these coaches available, and only minor 'window dressing' of the destination boards is required to make a consist that fits the locos. It will also have required a minimum of research time to sort out what was required. With existing moulds of pre-war coaches, the economics would be about the same. With one important difference: they could make liveries they never made before. But I guess it pays for Märklin to recycle old liveries, but now with interior lights. I'd rather buy interior lights for the coaches I already have than buying "the same" coaches again. |
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The main attraction is the DR 01.5 loco's,right?
As a side cick they issued the "standard" coaches in predetermined train sequence,nothing wrong with that.
Perhaps somewhere in future we will see typical DR coaches as well.
As the Dutch saying goes: "Cologne and Aachen were not built on one day",we are still in 2015 and discussing the autumn news.
On other fora Dutch people express their disappointment about the lack of new Dutch models,why is that i wonder,is the year over yet,is the news about 2016 known?!
My main worry is not the coaches,instead my worry is where to find the money to buy the 39205.........
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan I suspect this is economic reality settling on the roost. They already have the model designs for these coaches available, and only minor 'window dressing' of the destination boards is required to make a consist that fits the locos. It will also have required a minimum of research time to sort out what was required. With existing moulds of pre-war coaches, the economics would be about the same. With one important difference: they could make liveries they never made before. But I guess it pays for Märklin to recycle old liveries, but now with interior lights. I'd rather buy interior lights for the coaches I already have than buying "the same" coaches again. It would have looked great with the two tone green coaches. I was expecting the skirted coaches as done in Y2K with some new number boards. I bet they still have the masks used to paint them. I doubt they pitch anything that could be used again unless the coaches for the masks go obsolete. So some new tampo stamps and they'd be in business. Now it's just another black loko with red wheels pulling some DB coaches. Maybe next year. Sigh. |
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan I suspect this is economic reality settling on the roost. They already have the model designs for these coaches available, and only minor 'window dressing' of the destination boards is required to make a consist that fits the locos. It will also have required a minimum of research time to sort out what was required. With existing moulds of pre-war coaches, the economics would be about the same. With one important difference: they could make liveries they never made before. But I guess it pays for Märklin to recycle old liveries, but now with interior lights. I'd rather buy interior lights for the coaches I already have than buying "the same" coaches again. It would have looked great with the two tone green coaches. I was expecting the skirted coaches as done in Y2K with some new number boards. I bet they still have the masks used to paint them. I doubt they pitch anything that could be used again unless the coaches for the masks go obsolete. So some new tampo stamps and they'd be in business. Now it's just another black loko with red wheels pulling some DB coaches. Maybe next year. Sigh. Sorry,it is not just another black loco with red wheels to me. The Boxspok wheels were rather peculiar in Europe. And,once again,the year 2016 is not here yet! |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: biedmatt
Bugger, I was hoping for some east german coaches. I like the color scheme and I have these DB coaches out the ying-yang.
Edit: Just noticed, they are era 4.
All have factoy fitted with interior lighting. Sorry Steve but... the train "can be installed" with interior lighting LED.... but out of factory without it |
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I have found the road numbers of four of the five preserved class 01.5
01 0509-8, 01 1514-7, 01 1519-6 01 1531-1
Do you guys know the number of the fifth one?
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Marklin.de shows incorrect details in their database. For both the 39205 (coal,Boxspok) and the 39206 (oil,reinforced spokes) the same picture of 39206 is shown. Must have been a hurry job. It would seem the loco series 392 is an entirely new range in the portfolio. No products found for range 39200 upto incl. 39204,neither for anything as from 39207. There is plenty room to fill this in with variations to the theme. To quote Jim Carrey: "I like it alot": |
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Originally Posted by: minirail I have found the road numbers of four of the five preserved class 01.5
01 0509-8, 01 1514-7, 01 1519-6 01 1531-1
Do you guys know the number of the fifth one? The fifth is the 01 1533-7 operated by the OGEG in Austria: http://www.eisenbahn-mus...iven/baureihe-015/01-533 |
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Marklin.de shows incorrect details in their database.
For both the 39205 (coal,Boxspok) and the 39206 (oil,reinforced spokes) the same picture of 39206 is shown.
Must have been a hurry job.
I'm surprised about M.de as your link in post #55 to M.nl shows the two variations quite well  Whilst I'm a Kl 01 fan, I think the 39205 would be my pick to justify another Black & red Dampflok cause it's era III and has the boxpok wheels  but I'm a little disappointed M chose to model the Lok without the skirts, that and another can motor might cause me to pass  |
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Marklin.de shows incorrect details in their database.
For both the 39205 (coal,Boxspok) and the 39206 (oil,reinforced spokes) the same picture of 39206 is shown.
Must have been a hurry job.
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: NS1200 Marklin.de shows incorrect details in their database.
For both the 39205 (coal,Boxspok) and the 39206 (oil,reinforced spokes) the same picture of 39206 is shown.
Must have been a hurry job.
I contact Marklin to fix the correct it. Solved, now the photo is correct... |
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39205 - green light on database. |
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This product announcement is just odd. They normally print catalogs and fliers telling us of products to come. This is a whole new loko, so it did not happen overnight, but from the time it is announced and we know it is coming until it is available is what, a week - 10 days? |
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt This product announcement is just odd. The new Märklin strategy: I think it was similar with the new crocodile Ce 6/8 II, Be 6/8 II and the bay S 2/6. Those surprise models seem to work for Märklin, otherwise they would not continue doing this. |
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It's a refreshing change from products that are announced and don't appear until months or years later! I'm very disappointed with the delays on the Vossloh G2000 for example. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 .... The Märklin brochure shows a hand-made sample of 01 512. In this thread you can find some prototype photos (you may have to click the link twice - and scroll down a bit): http://www.drehscheibe-o...oren/read.php?17,3189084The photos are from 1966, the Märklin model shows the state from "around 1967". It seems 01 512 lost the skirt above the wheels in 1967. ... The 1972 (Era IV) photo of the 01 0507-2 in the english wikipedia shows the loco not skirted with boxpok. It is not the M* loco number and it is not Era III so it doesn't prove accuracy of the model, but it means just a change in the numbering of the 39205 and a change in the description would be accurate (only the super weathering was missing :) ). I don't know if and when the 01 512 lost the skirt. Märklin could give us light on that ;) With or without skirts and/or boxpok, green, black or grey, they always look great. Off course if they accurately represent something that really existed is always better. See the photo here: https://en.wikipedia.org...e:DR_01.5_Bebra_1972.jpg |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: biedmatt This product announcement is just odd. The new Märklin strategy: I think it was similar with the new crocodile Ce 6/8 II, Be 6/8 II and the bay S 2/6. Those surprise models seem to work for Märklin, otherwise they would not continue doing this. New strategy maybe, however the S2/6, is apparently not made in Goppingen  That said there is nothing wrong with the model apart from the difficulty of fitting a smoke unit  I suspect the 01.05 is not made in Goppingen either, which is probably the real reason we did not see the production of these models mentioned above, in their various stages of development, as we did with the new E93  I suspect the axles to be the same scenario as the Kl 94's, made for Trix two rail, but connected together thru the frame and wheel wipers on the Marklin model (anybody with a '94 care to comment   ) My RR Board of Directors, have still to decide on weather or not to adopt this model, (01.05) into our Roster There has been some discussion, and angst, by "The Board" about, buying new Loks, apparently not made by Marklin, as anything not branded "Marklin" has thus far, never got past the proposal stage.  |
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist New strategy maybe, however the S2/6, is apparently not made in Goppingen Märklin often tell us on TV that quality from China is bad and that you do not get timely production from China. So maybe that's the new strategy: announce the model when the first container left the harbour in a country far east from Hungary. The perpetual China bashing from Märklin in combination with the ongoing China production for Märklin is not appropriate to increase my trust in the Märklin management or the current quality of Märklin products. I am the CFO of my train budget and I have no difficulties when it comes to buying products that do not have seven red letters on the box. |
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I believe the introduction of the 01.5 was planned in such a way to coincide with the IMA in Goeppingen.
The restored prototype is being made ready to appear there.
I still do not believe that such a high end market item would be produced in China,the risk of failure would be too great for M.
The price setting more or less holds the promise of German production.
M cannot afford to put their name at stake.
I happen to know something about containershipping.
Problem with vessels is that they may arrive much later than anticipated,mainly due to bad weather or other constraints,such as engine trouble or heavy congestion at the Suez Canal.
Surely,you are not going to gamble with that when introducing a new modellike the 01.5 .
I like these surprises and secret actions,it is something refreshing as opposed to announcing items months ahead.
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Originally Posted by: NS1200
I happen to know something about containershipping.
Problem with vessels is that they may arrive much later than anticipated,mainly due to bad weather or other constraints,such as engine trouble or heavy congestion at the Suez Canal.
Surely,you are not going to gamble with that when introducing a new modellike the 01.5 .
But these days you can move containers by rail from China to Europe, I believe it takes about two weeks end to end.
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Hi everyone, The new BR 01.5 is a really intriguing model, but I'd also like to know where it was produced. Why was this locomotive not included in the autumn news brochures? It was announced two or three weeks after these brochures were published; the Trix autumn news brochure was a bit meagre, so this exciting item would have fixed that problem. Märklin seems to have been in such a hurry to announce the BR 01.5 that they posted the wrong picture for one version, and the information in the brochure isn't entirely accurate either. The Boxpock wheels of the BR 01.5 are not 'American' in any way. East Germany was part of the Soviet Block, and that's where those wheels came from; they were common in the Soviet Union as well as in the USA. Why does Märklin call them American? The surprise announcement also reminded me of the S 2/6, and we know where that high-end model was made. I suppose that one of those American forum menbers who intend to buy a BR 01.5 will post photos of the 'Made in ...' sticker on the box here, and then we'll know ...  Best regards, Mark |
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So is the model made in China has been confirmed ?
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Originally Posted by: ac jacko So is the model made in China has been confirmed? AFAIK there is no confirmation where it is/was made. Those who care may write to Märklin Service and ask them. |
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No doubt we'll hear soon from those who buy these locos in North America. I personally don't care as long as the loco works well and doesn't fall apart!  |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: NS1200
I happen to know something about containershipping.
Problem with vessels is that they may arrive much later than anticipated,mainly due to bad weather or other constraints,such as engine trouble or heavy congestion at the Suez Canal.
Surely,you are not going to gamble with that when introducing a new modellike the 01.5 .
But these days you can move containers by rail from China to Europe, I believe it takes about two weeks end to end. The volume of containers moved by sea between China and Europe is at least a million times larger than the volume moved by rail. Dutch dredgers have recently concluded the socalled second Suez Canal,of prime importance for the immense traffic by sea between Asia and Europe. I am aware of the limited movement of containers by rail,nice experiment and smart PR stunt. Note these containers need to be shifted between different rail systems twice to three times. Cost will be much higher and most likely only suitable for urgent and/or chilled cargoes. I dare to doubt that Marklin would wish to take the gamble. http://www.dutchwatersec...ads/cache/nvm4293rhn.jpghttp://gdb.voanews.com/B...0_cw97_mw1024_s_n_r1.jpg |
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Marklin said the 39205 will shipping to dealers in 2-3 days or after Marklin days. |
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Originally Posted by: RayF No doubt we'll hear soon from those who buy these locos in North America. I personally don't care as long as the loco works well and doesn't fall apart! Hi Ray, I shall wait for a good report from you, and then re submit to my subconcious "Board" on this basis -- Originally Posted by: NS1200 If i can find the money next year,i will surely buy the 39205,hopefully at a somewhat lowered price. |
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Originally Posted by: RayF No doubt we'll hear soon from those who buy these locos in North America. I personally don't care as long as the loco works well and doesn't fall apart! Hi Ray, The S 2/6 got very good reviews and attracted little criticism, but unfortunately two out of the three 'new tooling' Nohabs I bought last winter didn't meet your requirements. The 39670, which I bought from a well-known Märklin dealer in Düsseldorf, started falling apart after I had opened it twice to have a look inside. One of the two screw threads in the die-cast body broke when I tried to fasten the screw again although I had not used excessive force. That kind of damage can't be repaired, so I sent it back and got a full refund from the dealer. Another guy on the forum said that his 39670 had the same problem and could only fasten one of the two screws that hold the body in place, so it's not an isolated case. The 39674 didn't run well at all and was scratched in four different places, but my dealer replaced it. Now I have two Märklin Nohabs made in China, 39671 and 39674, and I wonder if the screw threads will last or break in case I ever open them again. The BR 01.5 is really exciting, but I can wait until I know all the facts about it. Right now we don't know where it was made and we don't have a lot of technical details. At the moment discounts on those models seem to be limited to ten per cent, so street prices may well go down next summer. In addition, I would prefer real DR coaches, not standard DB ones. Best regards, Mark |
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Originally Posted by: M-Classics Originally Posted by: RayF No doubt we'll hear soon from those who buy these locos in North America. I personally don't care as long as the loco works well and doesn't fall apart! Hi Ray, The S 2/6 got very good reviews and attracted little criticism, but unfortunately two out of the three 'new tooling' Nohabs I bought last winter didn't match your requirements. The 39670, which I bought from a well-known Märklin dealer in Düsseldorf, started falling apart after I had opened it twice to have a look inside. One of the two screw threads in the die-cast body broke when I tried to fasten the screw again although I had not used excessive force. That kind of damage can't be repaired, so I sent it back and got a full refund from the dealer. Another guy on the forum said that his 39670 had the same problem and could only fasten one of the two screws that hold the body in place, so it's not an isolated case. The 39674 didn't run well at all and was scratched in four different places, but my dealer replaced it. Now I have two Märklin Nohabs made in China, 39671 and 39674, and I wonder if the screw threads will last or break in case I ever open them again. The BR 01.5 is really exciting, but I can wait until I know all the facts about it. Right now we don't know where it was made and we don't have a lot of technical details. At the moment discounts on those models seem to be limited to ten per cent, so street prices may well go down next summer. In addition, I would prefer real DR coaches, not standard DB ones. Best regards, Mark I have the 39672 Nohab, and so far have had no problems with it. I haven't had a need to look inside, but after your warning I'll be extra careful with the screws. My old tooling Nohab is one of the quietest DCM locos I have, but this new tooling is much quieter and smoother. I don't know yet whether I'll buy the Br01.5 or not, but if I do I already have some Piko DR coaches in green and cream which would look good with the loco I'm sure. |
Ray
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Hi,
I had the same problem Mark had with a 39670 too. I couldn't screw it correctly a single time, so I sent it to the dealer under warranty. I am waiting for it for some monthes...
My last 2 buys were the BR18.5 (Insider) and the BR15.0 (Ep. II S2/6). Until now I can only say good things of both (the BR15.0 is here for very few days, so it is a bit early to speak about), although I didn't try to open them. I avoid open steamers as they are more delicate.
About the BR01.5 I like it a lot (the boxpok one) but I will wait a bit more to breath :) and also enjoy the Br18.5 and BR15.0 as the newest a bit longer. I am really super happy with both!
Miguel
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Miguel
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If the body shell mount screws are stripped on so many units, it can only be one thing - the torque was set too high on the automatic screwdriver. They do not tighten these by hand, they grab the automatic screwdriver suspended over their bench, pull it down and press the button tightening the screw until the driver stops turning. So they had the torque setting too high and stripped the threads. God knows how long it was before it got noticed. |
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But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
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Hi Matt,
The thread on my 39670 only broke the second time I opened the locomotive, and I've never seen this on any Märklin locomotive, old or new. My guess would be that either the quality of the die-cast metal parts made in China or the production process is not what it should be, and that's why I don't want any more Chinese-made locomotives.
Another problem with China is that Märklin's current partner over there sometimes simplifies the livery. The CFL and SNCB versions of the new Nohab/AFB diesel originally had dark ventilator grids. Märklin reproduced this in the 2014 news brochure, but the 39672 and 39673 looked different when they came out of the Chinese factory: the CFL version had red-brown horizontal ventilator grids, which is not prototypical. In a special issue of a Belgian railway magazine I have, there are rare colour photos of the CFL Class 1600 from the 1950s and 1960s which prove that the 39673 looks completely wrong. In addition to that, the Chinese partners 'forgot' to paint the door handles silver on most versions of the new Nohab/AFB; in the prototype, they were all nickel, not green, red, or brown!! The old 3063 actually looks more like the era III prototype than the new 39673!!
That's why I'd like to know where the new BR 01.5 is made before I buy one. If it's made in Europe, Märklin TV should show us. We're still waiting for that episode ...
Best regards,
Mark |
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Originally Posted by: M-Classics Hi Matt,
The thread on my 39670 only broke the second time I opened the locomotive, and I've never seen this on any Märklin locomotive, old or new. My guess would be that either the quality of the die-cast metal parts made in China or the production process is not what it should be, and that's why I don't want any more Chinese-made locomotives.
Another problem with China is that Märklin's current partner over there sometimes simplifies the livery. The CFL and SNCB versions of the new Nohab/AFB diesel originally had dark ventilator grids. Märklin reproduced this in the 2014 news brochure, but the 39672 and 39673 looked different when they came out of the Chinese factory: the CFL version had red-brown horizontal ventilator grids, which is not prototypical. In a special issue of a Belgian railway magazine I have, there are rare colour photos of the CFL Class 1600 from the 1950s and 1960s which prove that the 39673 looks completely wrong. In addition to that, the Chinese partners 'forgot' to paint the door handles silver on most versions of the new Nohab/AFB; in the prototype, they were all nickel, not green, red, or brown!! The old 3063 actually looks more like the era III prototype than the new 39673!!
That's why I'd like to know where the new BR 01.5 is made before I buy one. If it's made in Europe, Märklin TV should show us. We're still waiting for that episode ...
Best regards,
Mark I collared Dieter Lorenz from Marklin while on the Marklin stand. He and I have a friendship going back over a decade to when I would help him at the Gaugemaster Open Days, so I have a small lead on Inside Information (tm). He told me that the basic chassis of the Br01.5 is the same as the existing Br01 locos that Marklin makes, which would make sense, as the loco is a reworked Br01, so wheel centres etc wouldn't have changed. I suspect this is also a reason for doing this loco now, as much of the base tooling already exists. He also said that he is surprised that we are surprised that Marklin is producing this loco, as it has been quite well known in Germany for quite some time that Marklin is one of the sponsors of rebuilding Br01 519, and they wouldn't do that without producing a model sooner rather than later. Br01 519 is in Goeppingen station now, on display - missing some essential bits of its valve gear, and sporting a red Marklin flash on both sides of the tender just above the tare information for the tender. We also saw parts in process in the factory that looked like they could be for the tender of this loco.
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Chinese production versus German production remains an interesting subject.
The other day i met with a Chinese supplier from the Shanghai area,a supplier i use in shipping from time to time.
He said a lot of handtools and electric tools with German brandnames on are actually produced in China according to German quality standards at very low prices.
In addition,there are a lot of fantasy brandnames used by German companies which are actually being produced in China also.
Last week i bought a simple toolset with basic household tools such as spanners,screwdrivers,pliers etc. for Euro 30.- from German supermarket Lidl.
The carton outside box said the producer was Suki in Germany.
Well,looking on the website of Suki,it seems their production comes from everywhere,with Suki doing the quality control.
Story goes that the Made in Germany quality sign is allowed to be used if only a fraction of the total production cicle is done in Germany.
I do not know if that is correct,perhaps other members can comment on that.
Needless to say that what applies to Germany also applies to Holland,and other countries.
I sincerely hope that the 01.5 is for 100 percent produced in Germany,please! |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan
... the basic chassis of the Br01.5 is the same as the existing Br01 locos that Marklin makes, which would make sense, as the loco is a reworked Br01, so wheel centres etc wouldn't have changed. I suspect this is also a reason for doing this loco now, as much of the base tooling already exists.
Hi, If the chassis of the BR 01 is used for the BR 01.5, it's definitely not made in China. Best regards, Mark |
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Originally Posted by: M-Classics Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan
... the basic chassis of the Br01.5 is the same as the existing Br01 locos that Marklin makes, which would make sense, as the loco is a reworked Br01, so wheel centres etc wouldn't have changed. I suspect this is also a reason for doing this loco now, as much of the base tooling already exists.
Hi, If the chassis of the BR 01 is used for the BR 01.5, it's definitely not made in China. Best regards, Mark I had a chance to speak with another Marklin employee who is the overseas export manager for Marklin, and he told me a different story than Dieter, and that it is a new chassis because when the Br01 was rebuilt to the Br01.5 the mounting points for both sets of bogies was dramatically changes and they can't use the existing chassis, so it does have a new chassis. He has no information on if it is made in China or Europe. When I mentioned the disappointment of people with the S2/6 being made in China he was quite happy to talk about their Chinese supplier. They do one or possibly two projects a year for Marklin, and Marklin are very happy with their quality of production - as evidenced by the quality of the S2/6 and he will be quite happy if the Br01.5 is also made in China. Essentially they have ditched the other manufacturers and suppliers they have previously used that gave them quality problems, but are very happy with this supplier who does take the time to ensure the quality requirements are met. Also I was told by another employee that the Br01.5 will not be using the new decoder. There will be no locos produced using the new decoder until next year, so I figure it will be a listed 'feature' of some locos in the 2016 New Items brochure. I don't expect all models to have the new decoder, I suspect items like the Hobby/My Start line will still use the existing decoder, and also any other loco with a 36xxx catalog number.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan [...] and Marklin are very happy with their quality of production [...] Interesting to read that. This explains the ongoing production in China. Considering the perpetual China bashing they give us on TV (bad quality, delayed deliveries), this gives a bad taste: public China bashing to make people believe production in China is a matter of the past while production in China goes on and on. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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"Essentially they have ditched the other manufacturers and suppliers they have previously used that gave them quality problems, but are very happy with this supplier who does take the time to ensure the quality requirements are met."
This makes sense to me. Quality control is about processes, not about Geography. |
Ray
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Some pictures from the MoBa 2015. First, the real thing, 01.519, in his curent state, as shown in the MoBa. Note that it is not operational, and note also the "Märklin" logo in the tender:    Now, the Märklin 39205, 01.512:  Regards, Rafael Bonet |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan
When I mentioned the disappointment of people with the S2/6 being made in China he was quite happy to talk about their Chinese supplier. They do one or possibly two projects a year for Marklin, and Marklin are very happy with their quality of production - as evidenced by the quality of the S2/6 and he will be quite happy if the Br01.5 is also made in China. Essentially they have ditched the other manufacturers and suppliers they have previously used that gave them quality problems, but are very happy with this supplier who does take the time to ensure the quality requirements are met.
Hi everyone, The last statement made by the M* employee is simply untrue. The new Chinese-made Nohab/AFB diesels do not meet any quality requirements; there were numerous warranty cases, many dissatisfied customers, and the livery of the CFL as well as the SNCB versions was "simplified", as I have outlined above. The S 2/6 is better than the new Nohab and was probably meant to prove that M*'s new partner in China can deliver premium quality, but the following video shows that even in that case quality control wasn't as good as M* claims: Modellbahn Neuheiten 505 Märklin 37015About 3 minutes and 45 seconds into the video, fissures on the right-hand cylinder can be seen, though the testers do not seem to have noticed that. Some members of Stummis Forum reported that in a thread, and it's obvious that the die-cast body of the tested locomotive is damaged, so it's not true that the manufacturer always "takes the time to ensure the quality requirements are met". In a 2014 interview with the German magazine "Wirtschaftswoche", the new CEO literally said that "the Chinese can't do that", but now M* is happy doing a few projects with their new partner every year. Three out of the five Chinese-made Märklin locomotives which I have bought since 2013 (36334, 36339, 39670, 39671, 39674) were warranty cases, and I'm not happy about that. Best regards, Mark |
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The Nohabs were badly delayed from their original announced delivery dates, so maybe they were the last products from the factory that Marklin wasn't happy with?
We seem to have a similar long delay for the Vossloh G2000, so this might be a similar situation.
The latest Chinese products seem to be available almost immediately after being announced, like the S2/6, G5/5, and the Br18.5. Maybe these are the only ones built in this new factory!
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