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At last they start put mfx,MM and DCC protocool in magnet decoder and schalt decoder that support digital system! Even new semaphore signals from Marklin has now servomotor and built in decoder with mfx,MM and DCC!  |
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Hi Goofy,
That sounds interesting. Is there any chance you can find out more info for us?
Cheers....
Mike.
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Originally Posted by: Goofy  At last they start put mfx,MM and DCC protocool in magnet decoder and schalt decoder that support digital system! Even new semaphore signals from Marklin has now servomotor and built in decoder with mfx,MM and DCC! Sorry...my mistake...m83 and m84 arrives only with MM and DCC. While signals supports mfx,MM and DCC.  |
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I certainly like to know more info on what the mfx capability on the signals means. Do the signals automatically register themselves with the controller, or is some feedback capability introduced?
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I certainly like to know more info on what the mfx capability on the signals means. Do the signals automatically register themselves with the controller, or is some feedback capability introduced? It´s just like locomotivs with mfx to register automatically. It has a new kind of decoder that supports mfx,MM and DCC. Just connect 2 cables(brown and red) to the track and that´s it! |
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I am wondering if the mfx used with the new signals has more functionality that we don't know about yet. With almost everyone using micro controllers and software to decode the digital signal now, it doesn't take but a few more lines of code to include mfx. But it does appear to be overkill. And if it is just to self register the signals, why not include it in the new K83s and K84s?? Or the new C-track under track switch motor decoders??
Since the Marklin database shows the 76XXX color light signals to be out of production, I am surprised they are not announcing a new version of those signals also.
I guess time will tell if there is some new functionality that is gained by using mfx in these signals.
Robert
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Mfx has over 16 000 difference adress so it won´t overkill system.
By the time colour signals will also get mfx and DCC. |
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Hi Anders, I have taken a look at the Marklin website and cannot see the new semaphore signals. Any chance you can post a link? Thanks, Alan.
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Glen, thanks for that. I wonder what the prices will be? Alan
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Originally Posted by: aos Glen, thanks for that. I wonder what the prices will be? Alan Hi, the signals ar to come this automn and Märklin call it a forewarning ...... They are not in the item lists yet. |
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Originally Posted by: TomB Originally Posted by: aos Glen, thanks for that. I wonder what the prices will be? Alan Hi, the signals ar to come this automn and Märklin call it a forewarning ...... They are not in the item lists yet. They say signals arrives out under autumn 2013. |
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Hi!  I have browsed through and searched this thread for the information I look for, but haven´t found the answers, so...  If some one happens to know the answer to my questions, please reply. M83 operated in MM mode: 1) What duty cycle and pulse length does it come with per default?  The reason for asking is because I can´t get my M-rail turnouts to switch. The LED goes "blink", but the turnout doesn´t turn.  |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Mfx has over 16 000 difference adress so it won´t overkill system.
By the time colour signals will also get mfx and DCC. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the accessories like signals get a separate address space to the locomotive addresses, rather like the original k83 et al addresses are separate to the loco addresses in Motorola protocol.
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Originally Posted by: Nielsenr I am wondering if the mfx used with the new signals has more functionality that we don't know about yet. ...(...)...Robert I'm wondering me too MFX = bidirectional....Untill now we had two ways communication between decoders & central station....but we don't have communication between two decoders....should it be possible on an insulated piece of track with actual mfx decoder hardware ???? 
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Originally Posted by: Martin T 1) What duty cycle and pulse length does it come with per default? The reason for asking is because I can´t get my M-rail turnouts to switch. The LED goes "blink", but the turnout doesn´t turn. The answer to your question (without the outdated interruptions  ) is DutyCycle = 100% (i.e. CV - value=255) Period = 4 ( x .05 = 0.2 second) I would be inclined to increase the period and try to get it to work then, back off as needed. (don't forget to change the CVs for both Red and Green) While reducing the DutyCycle a it (e.g 80-905) may theoretically add a "pulsing" oomf I doubt it offers an advantantage over the more power delivered at 100%. ref https://www.marklin-user...-reading.aspx#post429343 |
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Originally Posted by: Martin T 1) What duty cycle and pulse length does it come with per default? The reason for asking is because I can´t get my M-rail turnouts to switch. The LED goes "blink", but the turnout doesn´t turn. The answer to your question (without the outdated interruptions ) is DutyCycle = 100% (i.e. CV - value=255) Period = 4 ( x .05 = 0.2 second) I would be inclined to increase the period and try to get it to work then, back off as needed. (don't forget to change the CVs for both Red and Green) While reducing the DutyCycle a it (e.g 80-905) may theoretically add a "pulsing" oomf I doubt it offers an advantantage over the more power delivered at 100%. ref https://www.marklin-user...-reading.aspx#post429343 Hi Peter! Thank you very much for your information. So.. There is really no improvment to be made for me using M-rail switches? I´ll then add relays on the outputs and Power the turnout solenoids with 19VDC direct. I´ve done that with a number of switches which has a tendency to be sluggish with the decoders. From what update of CS2 is it possible to make the m83 programming from the keyboard menu? It seems like the version I still use does not give me that option... / Martin |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy At last they start put mfx,MM and DCC protocool in magnet decoder and schalt decoder that support digital system! Even new semaphore signals from Marklin has now servomotor and built in decoder with mfx,MM and DCC! There are both pros and cons with Märklins new m83 and m84. The problem like program push button...i miss this! |
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Originally Posted by: Martin T
... So.. There is really no improvment to be made for me using M-rail switches?
I´ll then add relays on the outputs and Power the turnout solenoids with 19VDC direct. I´ve done that with a number of switches which has a tendency to be sluggish with the decoders.
They must be really sluggish! The M83 does deliver -19v , and with a DutyCycle of 255=100% this is DC So you may wind up the period, to a couple of seconds if needed If you want to drain that much power I would certainly use a separate power supply for the M83 Quote:
From what update of CS2 is it possible to make the m83 programming from the keyboard menu?
It seems like the version I still use does not give me that option...
IIRC v3.6 (from around Feb) |
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