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The various models of the Beilhack snowblower are going to be hits. Roco already made US locomotives and rolling stock for some of the US manufacturers, so it makes sense that they make some US models of their own. If I was them, I would showcase them in their own catalog rather than losing them in the general catalog. US modellers may not pay attention as Roco is known as a Euro brand to most of them.
I like some of the Alpentransit models that can be found on the Gotthard route.
I will definitely be buying the upgraded SBB Eurocity coach sets.
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod  Hi all, US loks You bet! Last year ROCO has indicated they are interested in producing US model(s), namely a diesel. I conducted poll among customers, which produced rather mixed results, but SD40 did bubble up among some other models. Waiting for confirmation that AC equivalent will also be produced. Michael |
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Some additional clarification about the S-Bahn Zurich models.
The DC version will come in two sets (61442/3 and 61444/5), each consisting of (Re 420 + AB + B +B) plus additional coach set (64131).
The AC models will be available as two separate loks with different numbers (78415 and 78417), each with digital sound, plus two sets of Fleischmann 28cm coaches (64132 and 64133), each set consisting of AB + B + B.
The coaches from the 64132 and 64133 can also be used with Hag's Re 450 if combined with the matching pilot coach as follows: Re 450 - B - AB - Bt
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Allthough I'm still wainting on the 2013 new items to arrive, I must say there are some very interesting new items included this year! Rh 1110.1  Rinus
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Also swedish Rc electric locomotiv comes with the sound and it looks even better than Marklins 45 years old Rc crap ****!
This model is besides new tooling.
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Originally Posted by: plavnostruev Originally Posted by: kbvrod Hi all, US loks You bet! Last year ROCO has indicated they are interested in producing US model(s), namely a diesel. I conducted poll among customers, which produced rather mixed results, but SD40 did bubble up among some other models. Waiting for confirmation that AC equivalent will also be produced. Michael Hello Michael Do you know whether these are genuine ROCO "in house developed" models or are they merely "branded" products sourced from existing USA manufacturers (e.g. Athearn)? Regards Marius |
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Nice selection of new AC models. I might be tempted to get another loco from Roco this year. Maybe something Marklin don't make? |
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I don't know who "owned" the moulds that Roco used when they manufactured models for American manufacturers. I am guessing that these are likely new models by Roco or that Roco has somehow acquired the rights to the moulds, making them Roco models and not "Athearn" or other models in Roco boxes.
One way we will possibly be able to see the nature of the relationship would be to see whether the Beilhack will eventually show up from a US manufacturer or whether Roco will market the model only as a Roco item.
FYI I used to have a Philips beard trimmer that was made by Roco. I think that the moulds and design remain with Philips and not with Roco.
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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Originally Posted by: plavnostruev Originally Posted by: kbvrod Hi all, US loks You bet! Last year ROCO has indicated they are interested in producing US model(s), namely a diesel. I conducted poll among customers, which produced rather mixed results, but SD40 did bubble up among some other models. Waiting for confirmation that AC equivalent will also be produced. Michael Hello Michael Do you know whether these are genuine ROCO "in house developed" models or are they merely "branded" products sourced from existing USA manufacturers (e.g. Athearn)? Regards Marius Hi Marius,all, Noch distributes Athearn in Europe.Walthers is marketing these Roco products in the US. D
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Has anyone seen a PDF link or similar yet? The only problem with the Roco site (even when blown to full screen) is its impossible to read the product details! |
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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Originally Posted by: plavnostruev Originally Posted by: kbvrod Hi all, US loks You bet! Last year ROCO has indicated they are interested in producing US model(s), namely a diesel. I conducted poll among customers, which produced rather mixed results, but SD40 did bubble up among some other models. Waiting for confirmation that AC equivalent will also be produced. Michael Hello Michael Do you know whether these are genuine ROCO "in house developed" models or are they merely "branded" products sourced from existing USA manufacturers (e.g. Athearn)? Regards Marius Hi Marius, This is all brand new, in house developed model. But we will not likely see them until 2015. Michael |
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Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Has anyone seen a PDF link or similar yet? The only problem with the Roco site (even when blown to full screen) is its impossible to read the product details! Hi John, I have no problem reading the product details on my laptop. Are you using a mobile device? This is where I'm looking: http://www.roco.cc/de/pr...-1-400-0-0/products.html |
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Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Has anyone seen a PDF link or similar yet? The only problem with the Roco site (even when blown to full screen) is its impossible to read the product details! Hi John, I have no problem reading the product details on my laptop. Are you using a mobile device? This is where I'm looking: http://www.roco.cc/de/pr...-1-400-0-0/products.html Thanks Ray! I only had the catalogue view, which doesn't blow up properly. this is great! |
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Originally Posted by: RayF Nice selection of new AC models. I might be tempted to get another loco from Roco this year. Maybe something Marklin don't make? Anyone in particular Ray?
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I'm looking forward to their 'Doppeltaschen-Gelenkwagen Sdggmrs(s) - T2000 der AAE' line too. What are your expectations of them? they where announced for 2013 originally  Rinus
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I am going to order the Roco Re 420 LION (probably both of them) as well as the Fleischmann Coach Sets. I remember when Sachsenmodelle released the 1/87 versions, they announced that they were not compatible with 3 Rail AC because of the coach length and the clearance of the coach bottom and bogie.
The other factor in this decision was that I already have the Hag Re 450 and matching Fleischmann coaches in both yellow and red door versions, so the coaches will match those sets.
I did not order the "Porrentruy" Re 4/4II because I already have this model from Maerklin. I may order the double set of green Re 4/4IIs. I have enough EWI, EWII, RIC and EWIV coaches for those loks.
The other essential items will be the SBB EuroCity coach sets. I will probably get the two sets plus the separate coaches. I will mix the single coaches with the ex-Cisalpino ones (already on order) and the odd 44770/44771 and EWIV to make a typical Swiss IR consist.
I may also go for the MRCE ES64U2 Taurus to add to my Private Operator Fleet for Freight Trains plus the AAE "Arcese" and Wascosa "Gruber" flat cars.
BTW If anybody wants to download the New Items Brochure, go to lokshop.de
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Originally Posted by: plavnostruev I like the "model" on p19 of the Roco catalog in particular |
CS, Denmark/Germany Ep. I - V, Switzerland Ep. II - V, USA Ep. III/IV |
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Now that I've digested this a bit, some commentary on the SD-40's from a marketing perspective:
I"m curious why Roco chose this model, and also why they are not offering in AC? Starting with the Pros:
- almost every railroad owned them, almost infinite colors and variations can be produced
- easy to do the later SD 40-2 models, and also the varying railroad-specific details
- Most serious US modellers will buy 2-3 to create a lashup
So there is a huge con- almost everyone has manufactured one, and at the same or a lesser price. I have to wonder if Roco is banking on European sales with their strong brand name over there, and the lack of US models being available, or if they plan on selling lots of these in the US?
My 2 cents- an AC version to us Marklin fans would do quite well, meaning the take rate amongst the overall AC community would be a much higher % than the DC one, however the DC community could mean a MUCH higher volume than AC system sales.
Anyways, just things that keep me up at night. I think if they are banking on US sales they may have a rough time- especially with current distribution through Reynaulds....
Now the snowblower on the other hand they could sell PILES of here in the states...
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Quote:especially with current distribution through Reynaulds.... From what I have heard, Reynauld's no longer is sole distributor for Roco in the US. Correct me if I am wrong, stores are going to buy directly from Roco in Europe. Too many complaints of Reynauld's hoarding stock to sell to their customers and not distributing to the dealers that ordered them for their customers. |
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Originally Posted by: Winterblade73 Quote:especially with current distribution through Reynaulds.... From what I have heard, Reynauld's no longer is sole distributor for Roco in the US. Correct me if I am wrong, stores are going to buy directly from Roco in Europe. Too many complaints of Reynauld's hoarding stock to sell to their customers and not distributing to the dealers that ordered them for their customers. You are not wrong  Roco/Fleischmann has figured out fair and efficient worldwide distribution model. All dealers now buy directly from the factory, and at the same prices. Michael |
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Originally Posted by: RayF Nice selection of new AC models. I might be tempted to get another loco from Roco this year. Maybe something Marklin don't make? Anyone in particular Ray? There's a few locos that have caught my eye, but this FS loco looks nice, and is not at all expensive. It's model number 79566, E412 019 of the FS.  |
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Hmm what railways is that?
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Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: Rinus Originally Posted by: RayF Nice selection of new AC models. I might be tempted to get another loco from Roco this year. Maybe something Marklin don't make? Anyone in particular Ray? There's a few locos that have caught my eye, but this FS loco looks nice, and is not at all expensive. It's model number 79566, E412 019 of the FS. I got the EU43 on the page before that and I can tell you its a great runner. Quite heavy too.
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Originally Posted by: pserup I like the "model" on p19 of the Roco catalog in particular Yes, but in order for it to work optimally, you must be installed with a decoder.  Regards MC
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Hi John,all, >So there is a huge con- almost everyone has manufactured one, and at the same or a lesser price. I have to wonder if Roco is banking on European sales with their strong brand name over there, and the lack of US models being available, or if they plan on selling lots of these in the US?< You answered that question! >Now the snowblower on the other hand they could sell PILES of here in the states...< The PRR folks are,........... Dr D
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Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: Rinus Originally Posted by: RayF Nice selection of new AC models. I might be tempted to get another loco from Roco this year. Maybe something Marklin don't make? Anyone in particular Ray? There's a few locos that have caught my eye, but this FS loco looks nice, and is not at all expensive. It's model number 79566, E412 019 of the FS. I may need one as well... I really wish I could buy the E 646 reissue but nothing in AC  |
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Disappointed to find that the CD Railjet is only being produced in DC. Was looking forward to this being my big purchase for the whole consist this year.  |
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Any price? It is quite high that marklin.
I heard the fleischmann/Roco ask all dealers to stick RRP price. Can confirm it?
I look at lokshop website and the price same as RRP. |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Any price? It is quite high that marklin.
I heard the fleischmann/Roco ask all dealers to stick RRP price. Can confirm it?
I look at lokshop website and the price same as RRP. MSL dropped discounting on Fleischmann/Roco products a week or so ago. They just show the full price now. The Brawa range increased in price by around 10% with the release of the 2014 new items range. It looks like the sale of Marklin itself means the end of their discounting program and the other main manufacturers see no need to maintain discounting. It will be interesting to watch how consumers react to this after 4 years of discounted products. |
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I spent € 8,400 last year thru MSL and very disappointed at this year's prices  So this year I move purchases to another dealer  |
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It's not caused by MSL, it's a problem of the Roco-Fleischmann group.
I have looking for Roco items in some online shops, and all of them are offering now only the RRP with no more discounts, in Roco and Fleischmann.
In fact, MLS is offering discounts in other brands: Liliput, LSModels, and so on..
We have detected this "issue", here in Spain, for the Hornby group (Electrotren), Roco and Fleischmann.
Some modellers have been talking about it in Spanish forums, and our dealers have received in the last months, some callings advising about the prices, in the way of "you must sell at the RRP, if you want to retail our brand". In fact, some of them are applying the discount only in the final bill of the purchase, although the official price is the RRP
We think that, due this is a commercial policy that is being applied by the manufactureres all along Europe, this is a case we can claim to the Competition Commisioner, Mr. Almunia (yes, its a spaniard too... :-)
The dealers are under pression, because if they claim, the manufacturers will cut off all, but we, the customers, are free to claim...(at least, members of the EU).
Any idea, then? :-)
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If you think is needed, we can open another discussion about this theme
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Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: Rinus Originally Posted by: RayF Nice selection of new AC models. I might be tempted to get another loco from Roco this year. Maybe something Marklin don't make? Anyone in particular Ray? There's a few locos that have caught my eye, but this FS loco looks nice, and is not at all expensive. It's model number 79566, E412 019 of the FS. I may need one as well... I really wish I could buy the E 646 reissue but nothing in AC These articulated Italian loco's are indeed very nice. Strange thing is there seems to be a ban on them to be produced in AC. Couple of years ago ACME announced some in AC but they where never delivered. Now Roco does not seem interested to re-issue thm in AC too Rinus
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Hi Alberto! Which Italian locos are coming in AC? Or what brands? All I saw was the one Roco E412. Thanks! |
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Sorry fo delay From Lima E636?   From Roco   |
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Thanks Alberto! I did not know about the Lima 636 in AC! Did it look to be "nicer" than past Lima models? |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Any price? It is quite high that marklin.
I heard the fleischmann/Roco ask all dealers to stick RRP price. Can confirm it?
I look at lokshop website and the price same as RRP. Not so for the ROCO SJ wagon set, both 67070 & 67071 are now shown at 90 Euro, RRP 100 Euro. That makes these ROCO items more pricy than the Marklin version: ROCO 22,5 Euro / wagon, Marklin 20,54 Euro / wagon (46372). All price exclude VAT. |
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Grazie Alberto! Have you seen a part number for the AC E636 yet? I can only find DC |
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Indeed, one should be supplied with every Z1 so the operator at least has, something "Tactile" to play with  And is that the face, on the cover, wearing a "Roco Glass", then it would need to be right at the MRR operators hand for "Total Control"   |
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I would be keen to buy a set of DB ERA V/VI IC coaches with the opening doors some day, as long as the decoder was not DCC exclusive ! but then it would be an ESU one, so could be exchaned for an MFX function decoder I would imagine. I will confess to owning two Roco DHL Container wagens and a Swiss IC short basggage car |
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I have been a little consternated reading comments about the 78411 Re 4/4II "Bourret" loco on DSO and other German language forums. It seems that some people noticed that the paint surface seemed a little rough on the model that was displayed at Nuremberg and that models that have been showing up at dealers also seem to have this issue, leading some people to cancel their orders. You can find some close-up photos in this posting on DSO: http://www.drehscheibe-f...8385,6758620#msg-6758620The entire thread can be found here: http://www.drehscheibe-f...oren/read.php?10,6758385I have sent an email to my dealer asking them to clarify the matter with Roco, as I have no interest in receiving a model that I will have to return at my cost if it is not acceptable. This way, hopefully they can hold my item for a few weeks while Roco replies. They are charging more for this item than for other Re 4/4IIs in the catalogue and there is no reason why the model cannot be delivered with a proper paint job. Regards Mike C
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