Joined: 28/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 22 Location: Connecticut
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Yet another question from a newbie on the forum. And what a great forum it is! I have quite a bit of old M track.... turnouts, uncouplers, control tracks, signals.... all based on M-track. As I set out on the task to build a new layout, and digitize my locomotives, I have inferred from my reading that perhaps K-track offers superior performance for digital operation. Is that true? If I stayed with M-track, I would remain analog with turnouts, signals and uncoupler tracks, but would want to control locomotives ... acceleration, deceleration, lights, sound etc. digitally. At least that's what I'm thinking at the moment.) (Would love to get input on transformer selection and controller... I have two of the old blue units) When I last enjoyed my marklin stuff, I had lots of operating problems due to a lack of attention to track laying detail (and cleaning) resulting in a bunch of derailments, pick-up shoe glitches and rough and unreliable operations. I guess what I am saying is this time around I want to be sure to build a solid reliable base and am wondering if abandoning M for K is worth it. (An unspoken factor is the emotional attachment I have to M-track crossings etc., that I started purhasing in Hamburg about 50 years ago. Anyway...)
Any comments would be much appreciated... either way, I plan on taking ongoing maintenance much more seriously. Cheers, Makis
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Joined: 19/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,061
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Hi Makis, Welcome to the forum. You might also considered using C track. It works very well in digital operation. It also is close in profile to M track so you could use both and keep your favorite crossings in operation. There is a C track to M track transition piece, part number 24951.
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Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165
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Many marklin-users run Digital on M-track and are very happy with it... |
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Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy
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Hi Makis,
If you laydown your M-tracks carefully and have a good maintenance, in my humble opinion you can continue using them. They are more robust than K- and C- tracks and if bent you can easily correct the imperfections (the same is difficult or even impossible with the other two types of tracks).
About the digital controller: the MS2 is a good choice suitable for controlling locomotives and in addition, if in the future you want to switch digitally also the turnouts, it can do this.
And as per Roger suggestion:
"There is a C track to M track transition piece, part number 24951."
you can always expand your layout with the newer track types.
Last but not least: use the old blue transformers for analog switch of turnouts and lights.
Hope this could help in your decisions.
Cheers
Renato
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Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio
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M track will work fine with digital. The only caveat is the switches and crossings with small lokos. In analog, the lokos generally will not run as slow as they will in digital. The DC motors and load control of the decoders make slow, smooth operation possible in digital. The analog lokos thus carry more speed and will coast farther. This plus the fact that an AC analog motor will coast easier than a digital DC motor (the permanent magnet acts like a brake on the iron armature) means you are more likely to stall at crossing and switches. Look at your track and you will notice much of the rail on those pieces is plastic. This means on small three axle lokos your ground connection will get iffy. Only three wheels are on a metal rail and one of those wheels will have a rubber tire. AFAIK, ESU is the only maker with a decoder where you can add a capacitor that will power the loko across those power loss situations.
For a controller, there are many good choices and lots of info out there, I suggest you search this site. For a small track or even large track the 6021 or MS2 can be had at Ebay for a fairly cheap price. |
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Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA
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Hi Makis,all, Welcome to the forum! >that perhaps K-track offers superior performance for digital operation.< Not necessarily.A lot of factors involved. > I would remain analog with turnouts, signals and uncoupler tracks, but would want to control locomotives ... acceleration, deceleration, lights, sound etc. digitally. At least that's what I'm thinking at the moment.)< Not an issue. >When I last enjoyed my marklin stuff, I had lots of operating problems due to a lack of attention to track laying detail (and cleaning) resulting in a bunch of derailments, pick-up shoe glitches and rough and unreliable operations. < I will say again,that,how,condition(s),how you lay even M-track and the condition of loks and rolling stock will effect performance. >I guess what I am saying is this time around I want to be sure to build a solid reliable base and am wondering if abandoning M for K is worth it. (An unspoken factor is the emotional attachment I have to M-track crossings etc., that I started purhasing in Hamburg about 50 years ago. Anyway...)< Search the site great info from the maniacs,er, enthusiasts. Dirt.
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Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio
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I tell you what, I have a couple twin MS2s from starter sets I have bought. I will send you one. The second is going to next year's Tannenbaum bahn. Try it and if you like it, pay it forward by supporting this forum with a donation to the operating fund. You can decide what that amount may be. It will be new and untested out of the box, so try it before you send Juhan the money. You'll need a digital loko to test it. PM me your address if this works for you. |
Matt Era 3 DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control. With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397. |
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Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt  I tell you what, I have a couple twin MS2s from starter sets I have bought. I will send you one. The second is going to next year's Tannenbaum bahn. Try it and if you like it, pay it forward by supporting this forum with a donation to the operating fund. You can decide what that amount may be. It will be new and untested out of the box, so try it before you send Yuhan the money. You'll need a digital loko to test it. PM me your address if this works for you. Who what?
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Joined: 04/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 1,291 Location: Port Moody, BC
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There is also a K-M track transition piece if you have your heart set on K track which has a great benefit of having flex track availability. However, if you want speed in setting up a layout, you can't beat C track as long as you get track manufactured after the early 2000s.
Due to different track geometries between M, K and C, you might want to download the free layout planning software SCARM since it handles all three track types with a very good database for all three. I quickly learned how to use the software and was able to generate a layout incorporating all 3 track types.
Since then, due to appearance I made the hard decision to get rid of all my old M track and have switched to a combination of K and C for digital operation with old style catenary fed from another transformer for analog overhead operation.
Peter
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Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165
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I myself will go for a mix of K, C and also some beautiful M-track bridge pieces that I got from steventrain some year(s) ago. Transition tracks makes it possible use all the track kinds, old & new... So the old stuff can still be used even in the 21st century... |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,878 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Mark, welcome to the forum, I've removed my m-track from my layout purely because of the ever cleaning process (moisture through winter periods) so C-track or K-track (it has minimized the oxidation process) but at least the track itself isn't affected by it.
The only reason I've used C-track (part of the sleek turnouts they produce) the tack configuration was already there and most of the cork was glued on so to take it all off I saved my self endless hours of scraping and decided to use C-track.
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Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia
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And............careful with your blue transformers, i has been said before, check for the condition of the insulation at the power cord, and never, ever use them to run locos with a digital decoder regards |
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Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,289
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I use K tracks and they are excellent with the digital system too. M tracks are not producing anymore time and has been replacement by of C tracks. I recommend anyway with K tracks,because they have flex track which makes more bigger radiu curves and more elegance curves too.
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Joined: 30/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 276 Location: Houston, Texas
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I have been operating digital on M track for over 25 years.  While the digital part has been upgraded , the track remains the same. My only recomendation is to operate M track turnouts ( switches) antilog as the decoders do not provide enough of a kick for dependable operation, especially for double slip switches.
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,603 Location: Australia
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster  Many marklin-users run Digital on M-track and are very happy with it... TOO RIGHT WE ARE! |
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Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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I have had both M track and C track. My experience is that C-Track gives a lot less "dead" sections on turnouts than M tracks at the slow running speeds more common in digital operation. |
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,296 Location: Scotland
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Hi Makis, Welcome to the forum. Ok, I know a lot of you will have seen this video ( I hope  ), but for our newer members here's a video showing me running digital Loco's with a MS2 on Märklin's first year of production 3 Rail track from 1935. So, we have digital (mfx + sounds) Loco's running on 79 year old tracks.... Ian. ....
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Joined: 01/02/2012(UTC) Posts: 70 Location: Toronto
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Makistrain,
I too have a mix of "M", "C", and "K" track on my layout. I use my old "M" track as a cost saving as I already possess it, the "C" track to compliment the "M" track sections of layout where my "m" track inventory is lacking and all of the new layout sections are in "K" track due to the superior cosmetic appearance (flex track for sweeping curves etc.).
My only difficulty with the "M" track has been the switches and signals take a large amount of power. This was not a problem in the "old" days with the blue analog tranformers but the digital systems (new and old) simply are not able to generate the horespower to "kick" over some of my track switches and signals.
As a solution to this problem, I have moved beyond Marklin and are using the following components from Viessmann: 5215 Powermodul and 5211 K83 modul. The 5215 Powermodul is very effective with the old blue transformers to power the switches/ signals. They do provide the necessary "kick" via an analog "DC" signal. The 5211 K83 unit allows for both a DC analog signal to power the switch drives and the digital signal to provide the control instructions. This is very nice as you can leverage your old blue tranformers for their wattage and efficiently use the DC digital power for its control elements (locomotive control and switch and signal control impluses). I have also use the Switch Pilot from ESU instead of the 5211 as it offers the flexibity to be used as either a K83 or a K84 unit and is slightly less costly; at least it is at my local dealer.
I do recommend purchasing an up to date digital controller (CS2 generation) to capture all the "bells and whistles" available while using your old blue transformers to provide the raw horsepower to drive the old school "M" track switches and signals. This will require you to pull two sets of power leads (DC digital and DC analog) thought the layout which is slightly more complicated but well worth the cost savings. The ground wire can be the same for DC digital and CD analog which means 3 wires are pulled through the layout. This is how my layout is wired.
Greetings, fkowal
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