I bought the recent digital version 28590.I am very huppy with this,the locomotive runs like a dream and have a very nice color.The cars are metal like the old classics.

always wanted the loco but it was too expensive and still is for my budget and adding a bit of history behind the train

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Capitole_(train)

Here are a succession of images from the catalogues relating to the Le Capitole - and it makes an easy topic to cover because the production life was short, the variants are (mostly) known, and they are well documented. But I'm hoping to share and learn some new info from this discussion.

1968 catalogue - first appearance...

Yes, I do intend to get the set myself, when I have some spare cash and one comes up at the right price that is. I have found there are enough differences to make them quite distinct, but not so much that you can't mix and match if you want to. For example, it was first believed that the coaches were simply produced from the old molds but not so. The windows are different, (10 on the 4075, two of them partly open, but only 9 windows on the repro, all of them closed), and the roof has no vents (the 4075 has two).

On the other hand, the repro (say 40175) has interior fittings which were not with the 4075 and that's a good thing - it's extra cost to add those details afterward.

This was an interesting read, John. 200km/h in 1970 would have been pretty spectacular.

Steve, did I read you correctly ? A 4065 2nd classe coach in Capitole red ??? Never seen or heard of such a wonderful thing ...



Janne, the 28590 set can be found for around €400 ...

It is interesting to note that the 4 cars in that set have different running numbers.

The original 4075 running number is:
51 87 19_90 348_7

The repro cars are:
51 87 19_70 375_4
51 87 19_70 376_2
51 87 19_70 377_0
51 87 19_70 378_8

Images extracted from this Märklin video :

Y

Hahaha, in Steven's video above one can hear the stewardess addressing travelers with this phrase:

"The train will travel at 200km/h for approximately 30 mins ... please keep the windows closed to avoid drafts ..."

Yum

Thanks Albereto, I remember seeing your page once before some time ago but it did not come up in my searches or I would have put a link up myself.

Just looking at the source code, I see there are no Tags (Keywords) in the page and this may be costing you visitors - if you update the page and add "3059, Le Capitole" and any other variations such as 8359, 28590 etc you will come up much earlier in Google searches and this will be good for your site

It would be awesome to see the Koll's price chart updated with the last 5 years added

Good info all the same

Cheers

Steve

Cookee, here's my threepence worth to the topic.

The reproduction version 28590 having a run on the old modular layout (shown previously in September '11).

Interesting, but I presume you mean the 'White' stripe all the way along the side?? - The only Grey on the coaches is the roof, whereas the Loco does have some silver (looks grey) in the front striping on some models but same striping is white on others and this is noted in Kolls guide.

Could your 'off' one have been discoloured/faded by exposure to UV perhaps or have you seen others? - certaionly my ones do not show any variation of the white on the coaches.

But keep up the trivia, love it

Cheers

Steve

Originally Posted by: Yumgui (copied from the original topic because it really belongs here instead.



Thanks for the link Yum, that is a puzzle to me also. I am an open "Le Capitolist" for many years (in fact. I'd love to have dedicated "Le Capitole" thread or sticky in the collectors corner, there's just something about them) Drool Drool but why that one should go for such a high price is a mystery. Confused Confused

I'm ignoring the CCS66 because that is not yet sold and I always ignore 'asking' price, but this 4075 actually sold, and with 45 bids so there must have been a bit of interest, and the bidding history shows at least normal bidding up to around 200 Euro, and then two final bidders more than doubled it.

I'm not suggesting anything fishy but if another identical one of these were to hit the market and the same price achieved, I'd be a bit more confident.

Even the comment about the box date 03/70 says... im alten dunkelblauen Originalkarton von 03/70 (in the old dark blue original box of 03/70)

Huh?? - Dark Blue is the 'new' box, the 'old' box is light blue. I have two of that same version, and both still wrapped in their factory tissue paper, although they have been unwrapped of course. I would not class them as 'mint' but easily very good - excellent.

I checked the printing codes on my boxes, I have two of the Dark Blue variety, and four of the earlier light-blue variety.

"69 574 A 03 70 sh" Dark Blue
"69754 L 07 68 sh" Light Blue
"69754 TL 0168 sh" Light Blue

Taking above the print run info (yeah yeah I know, printing codes are just a guide, not cast in stone)....

A indicates a print run of 5,000 boxes (thanks to Paul Deardorff CCS800KrokHunter3 see his excellent article)
L = 8,000 boxes
TL = 1,800 or 18,000?

I also realise that Paul refers to catalogues for the printing codes, rather than Boxes but knowing our German friends and their predilection for efficiency and conformity, would you not think the same scheme would apply? As I said, I am not taking the print code as hard evidence of production numbers, but they are at least interesting for speculation, contemplation and of course, imagination!

"Assuming" that there are no other box variations (surely must be at least one more, anyone?), this is either a total print run of 14,800 or 31,000 give or take. Would there even be 31,000 x 4075's in the world, somehow I doubt it given how they are sought-after.

But remember also that the 4075 (ironically) was withdrawn after just 5 years (catalogued 68-72) for lack of sales. What did Marklin do with un-sold stock?, keep in their shelves until all gone or destroy them (and maybe claim a tax loss?)

And just in case anyone is concerned about authenticating the codes, image below.

Cheers

Steve

Another photo, and no I did not consciously set out to become French, they 'just came my way', but it's a great setup

I don't have any of the Silver ones, they just never grabbed me, although when I see these all together, they are kind of conspicuous by their absence - I guess if some were to leap out at me, at a price I couldn't refuse I might get a few....

Hi Steve,

TL are 18,000 pieces. For three-digit numbers small types are used.

A total production of 31,000 is few for these days. For example all codes of the 4636 CARLSBERG- beer car (which was not very popular) make a sum of nearly 100,000 in seven years. Popular cars of the 45XX-series were produced in numbers of 50,000 - 150,000 a year.

A long time ago somebody told me the story that the 4075 was discontinued early because it was to difficult to produce. Printing the white stripe on the red ground produced to much misprintings.

Regards

Markus

Hi John,

Don't forget 4031 (with baggage compartement), 4030 (1st and 2nd), 4068 and 4073 (both restaurant). But generally you are right: There are many cars missing.

Regards

Markus

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Hello, very nice and complete thread!
I have a Capitole 4075 with the light kit but it's missing the current pick up shoe. Could someone be kind enough to give me the part # so I can find one? Thanks!
Francois

Hello,
Thanks a LOT, that is awesome info. Since we are talking "Le Capitole", wouldn't it be awesome if one day Marklin produced a Capitole CC-6500 with the "Grand Confort" coaches to go with it? What a dream come true it would be...
Francois

I would think a new type of French locomotive I on the cards!
But I think a loco which tooling could be shared between say Holland and France such as CC7100 to get maximum use of tooling! But I would really love a cc-6500 or better still new tooling for a BB9200! Capitole

Ah, thanks for the picture. You have to admit the French do make some stylish locos, with the 'panorama' windscreen these really do look the part.

Alan