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Originally Posted by: pab-windmills  I would prefer Maerklin because of its full metal body. The Roco body is plastic,right? |
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Originally Posted by: pab-windmills Guys,
What is your opinion of the new NSB elloks:
Roco 78528 and Marklin 37754
The Roco is approx 90USD/580SEK less than the Marklin.
Would you prefer one over the other? If so, why? I own loks from both manufacturers. I would have thought its down to if you like colletcing Marklin or colletcing a specific theme. Ie NS,SNCF NSB etc its all down to choice. I would imagine that the price of the Marklin locomotive is more perhaps because it is metal or made in Germany. In one thread theres some issues with quality on Swedish models. But Marklin is not the only make who mess up now and again. I however have been looking into buying a Roco item and have changed my mind as the Roco locos can be in some cases more expensive than Marklin. I have just got a new Marklin locomotive and its first class with extensive sound functions and is perfect and ready to run. I would like to point out that not everyone has nimble fingers and do not want to stick on a bag of bits when they receive there brand new locomotive, hence also why the new NSB Lok is more, you have to pay people to make your models   One more thing a Friend had a steam locomotive made by Roco. Yes it was a nice model with lots of detail.But we could not stick it back in the box or take it out, without braking bits off. One more reason why alot of people hence a Marklin user forum buy Marklin, it is perhaps made for those of us who like to look at our engines and touch! This is not supposed to be a shoutey man message, i just cannot see why people cant see the difference between the two makes. They are both good but perhaps have different buyers for these reasons. cheers Dan |
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Hello: Depends on what the buyer/collector wants. If its refined detail with the add-on parts..Probably ROCO..Durability and long term use, probably Marklin with metal gears and die-cast body. I think people tend to confuse quality and durability as one in the same. The Roco model pictured below is very nice and detailed with metal chassis. It runs smooth and quiet. Dowmside is that it only has one geared axle. The side rods are very thin and do not contribute much to pulling power. Regards, Paul [img]null[/img] 
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I would prefer Maerklin because of its full metal body.
The Roco body is plastic,right?
Hi NS1200,
I believe so.
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Joined: 19/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 60 Location: nj
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Hello:
Yes. Roco loco bodies are plastic.
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What´s difference?
Roco has inside body weight made of metal.
The plastic house is just to clip down on the metal body.
So Rocos new double swedish Dm and NSB has very high weight and can pull lot of wagons.
Marklin and Rocos new scandinavian double locomotiv has good quality.
So why not to get both of it...? |
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Originally Posted by: mike187 Hello: Depends on what the buyer/collector wants. If its refined detail with the add-on parts..Probably ROCO..Durability and long term use, probably Marklin with metal gears and die-cast body. I think people tend to confuse quality and durability as one in the same. The Roco model pictured below is very nice and detailed with metal chassis. It runs smooth and quiet. Dowmside is that it only has one geared axle. The side rods are very thin and do not contribute much to pulling power. Regards, Paul [img]null[/img] Not truth! Model with side rods don´t have to do with pull power. It does motor and gear axle. And of course...the body weight of the model. |
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Is this still a forum for Maerklin addicts or have we changed to Roco?
Am i still on the correct forum?
Did i miss something? |
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Is this still a forum for Maerklin addicts or have we changed to Roco?
Am i still on the correct forum?
Did i miss something? Roco are producing and selling locomotivs for 3 rail too. |
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Originally Posted by: pab-windmills I own locos by the two manufacturers too however since I am a Marklin collector -and unless they screw up badly with the finished loco- I would want the Marklin regardless of whether is plastic or metal. The Rocos I have were either not produced by Marklin at the time I've purchased them or still aren't. This happens to be one of the models on my watch list together with the 3 piece swedish loco. Once they are out and I see the quality I hope to decide for one of them. I would like both but that's unlikely to happen.
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Hi,
The Marklin model has dual motors, Roco only one. I vote for the Marklin model for superior pulling power and metal body.
Brian. |
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Is this still a forum for Maerklin addicts or have we changed to Roco?
Am i still on the correct forum?
Did i miss something? Perhaps they should have a roco 3 rail forum |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: Lollo Hi,
The Marklin model has dual motors, Roco only one. I vote for the Marklin model for superior pulling power and metal body.
Brian. Note: wrong modelI assumed it was a DM 3, it does state the SJ model has 2 motors but doesn't show up on the NSB model correction: the Roco model has 2 motors and I'm quite happy with mine, it has sound and an enormous pulling power with 8 Rubber tyres and yes the housing is plastic which doesn't bother me, it also has the correct lighting. here is a video I've produced almost 4 years ago and guess what, the Loco is still running, all in one piece, no lost parts, except one loose rubbertyre (video). the stoppage of the train during the video was due to the loose rubbertyre John |
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" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist to answer your question: I don't know but selling it for this price and demolishing one model (collectors model) is not my cup of tea. Nothing indicated with this reference from wikipeda although a good information reference material http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SJ_DJohn |
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Originally Posted by: Lollo Hi,
The Marklin model has dual motors, Roco only one. I vote for the Marklin model for superior pulling power and metal body.
Brian. correction: the Roco model has 2 motors and I'm quite happy with mine, it has sound and an enormous pulling power with 8 Rubber tyres and yes the housing is plastic which doesn't bother me, it also has the correct lighting. here is a video I've produced almost 4 years ago and guess what, the Loco is still running, all in one piece, no lost parts, except one loose rubbertyre (video). the stoppage of the train during the video was due to the loose rubbertyre John John you've confused the issue here, and me  They're talking about the two unit versions, not the DM3 We need to read threads and maybe check the odd link, before poking the keyboard with our fat fingers  |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Originally Posted by: river6109 Originally Posted by: Lollo Hi,
The Marklin model has dual motors, Roco only one. I vote for the Marklin model for superior pulling power and metal body.
Brian. correction: the Roco model has 2 motors and I'm quite happy with mine, it has sound and an enormous pulling power with 8 Rubber tyres and yes the housing is plastic which doesn't bother me, it also has the correct lighting. here is a video I've produced almost 4 years ago and guess what, the Loco is still running, all in one piece, no lost parts, except one loose rubbertyre (video). the stoppage of the train during the video was due to the loose rubbertyre John John you've confused the issue here, and me They're talking about the two unit versions, not the DM3 We need to read threads and maybe check the odd link, before poking the keyboard with our fat fingers Well it does help when you read the article properly and take notice of the catalogue numbers and the supplied links. All I can say ignore my findings and contribution if it was any. John |
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Marklin version 37754
Prototype: Norwegian State Railways (NSB) class El 12 heavy ore locomotive as a 2-part side rod electric locomotive. Used on the ore line Lulea - Kiruna - Narvik. Road numbers 2113+2114. Olive green basic paint scheme, large headlights, engineer's cab doors in the old arrangement, large snow plows (Norrland plows) and spoked wheels. The locomotive looks as it did around 1970.
Model: The locomotive has an mfx digital decoder and extensive sound functions. It also has 2 controlled, high-efficiency propulsion systems with flywheels, 1 motor in each locomotive unit with an engineer's cab. All 4 driving axles powered in each locomotive unit with an engineer's cab. Traction tires. The dual headlights and a red marker light change over with the direction of travel, will work in conventional operation, and can be controlled digitally. An additional third wide beam headlight above on the locomotives can be controlled digitally. The engine room lighting as well as the cab lighting in Engineer's Cabs 1 and 2 can each be controlled separately in digital operation. An additional marker light can be controlled digitally. The lighting is maintenance-free warm white and red LEDs. This locomotive has highly detailed metal construction with many separately applied details. The roof equipment is detailed with large vent attachments and compressed air tanks. Both locomotive units are permanently coupled together. There is a close coupling mechanism between the locomotive units. Marker signs for the front end of the locomotive are included separately. Length over the buffers 29.0 cm / 11-7/16".
Control
Unit Sx Mobile
Station DCC Mobile
Station 2 Central
Station
Headlight(s) · · · ·
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Electric locomotive op. sounds · · · ·
Horn · · · ·
Direct control · · · ·
Light Function1 · · ·
Engineers cab lighting · · ·
Whistle for switching maneuver · · ·
Engineers cab lighting · · ·
Light Function 2 · ·
Sound of squealing brakes off · ·
Sound of Couplers Engaging · ·
Blower motors · ·
Brake Compressor · ·
Pantograph Sounds · ·
Highlights:
Completely new tooling for the two-part El 12 ore locomotive.
Highly detailed metal construction.
mfx decoder with extensive sound and light functions.
2 high-efficiency propulsion systems with flywheels, 1 motor in each locomotive unit with an engineer's cab.
Engineer's cab lighting and engine room lighting can be controlled separately in digital operation.
Item numbers 46370 and 46371 ore car sets to go with this locomotive, cars with different car numbers, for a prototypically long ore train.
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Roco 78528
Extremely impressive - in reality as well as on the model train layout - are the distinctive double locomotives of the ore line (Luela)-Kiruna-Narvik. The Norwegian El 12 and the Swedish Dm did their frosty service there until the end of the 1980s.
new design
LED lighting
PluX22 interface
72528 and 78528 with digitally switchable sound and light functions
in digital operation with true to the original NSB rear end light control
Two-part rod-driven electric locomotive series El12 of the Norwegian State Railways.
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: GSRR Roco 78528
Extremely impressive - in reality as well as on the model train layout - are the distinctive double locomotives of the ore line (Luela)-Kiruna-Narvik. The Norwegian El 12 and the Swedish Dm did their frosty service there until the end of the 1980s.
new design
LED lighting
PluX22 interface
72528 and 78528 with digitally switchable sound and light functions
in digital operation with true to the original NSB rear end light control
Two-part rod-driven electric locomotive series El12 of the Norwegian State Railways.
What about 1 motor was mentioned earlier, I couldn't find any data saying 1 motor only. John |
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Rocos Dm and EL12 arrives with dual motor. |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Rocos Dm and EL12 arrives with dual motor. Well it sounds logic because both locos are selling for the same price, one would expect if one set has only one motor it would be cheaper maybe some one has to find a reason to make the Roco model less attractive or it is just an error of judgement or information given at the time of printing. John |
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The Marklin version is going to weigh about 1400 a 1500 gram.
Qua price the difference in OVP is about 80 euro.
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It is marklin that uses 3 rails though :) Roco dont need a forum like this cause u can see what the models look like from the homepage. :))
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In some Swedish forums member who has Rocos Da,Dm and Dm3 has problem with impeller for 3 rail.
It derailment in the turnouts.
But they didn´t said what kind of turnouts.
I think it´s short turnouts. |
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Well, maybe this can help too to see what the Roco EL 12 offer is... |
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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For those who are interested to buy Marklin EL12 i suggest wait until we see how it looks like.
Maybe Marklin do same mistake like Swedish Dm3. |
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Well, maybe this can help too to see what the Roco EL 12 offer is... That´s how exactly lighting shall works!! Can you see it Marklin?? |
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A German review of the loco is on Youtube: I hope the video helps even if you do not understand the comments. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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