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Offline baggio  
#1 Posted : 16 May 2013 03:21:54(UTC)
baggio

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Hello, Everybody.

I have just come back from Italy and bought in Rome a vintage 3035 loco (same one as in my bandana above) made in 1961. I paid 110 Euros for it ($150.00).

It was advertised on E-bay Italy as being in great conditions. I met the vendor, he ran the unit on two feet of track and seemed to be OK. Got home and it works badly. Has hiccups, feels as something is holding it back and sometimes stops altogether until I push it. It is not fast, as was advertised.

When I bought it, the vendor tested it with a dark orange/light brown transformer and M tracks. Sometimes it seems to run OK, albeit slowly, but when I start it up again the next day, I am back to square one.

I gave the loco oil on two occasions, to no avail.

The vendor says there is dispersal of current on my tracks, but all the other locos work just fine...

If anyone has any idea as to what I can do to fix it, other than take it to a Marklin dealer, I would really appreciate it.

Ciao





Offline abisel  
#2 Posted : 16 May 2013 04:51:02(UTC)
abisel

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It probably just need a good cleaning.

Maybe you already know about cleaning, but just in case, take it apart and give the dive assembly a good cleaning.

I like using the automotive brake clean spray. No residue and it blasts the dirt away. Blow dry, spin the drive gears and spray it again with the brake clean. Repeat until the gear assembly freely rotates in both directions.

Give the axles a couple drops of oil designed for these locos and a couple drops on the gear mesh and spin the gears to distribute the oil.

Replace the rubber tires. Check the brushes, check the armature for carbon build-up and take a fine sandpaper (400 grit) and polish the armature.

Reassemble and if the electrics is in good order, it should run fine. Be sure to check the pick-up shoe for spring tension and wear. Also the overhead pantograph and the switch between pantograph/pick-up shoe. The reversing solenoid may need the contact points cleaned with the 400 grit paper.

I had similar issues with older locos and they just needed a good cleaning.

Here's the drawing for 3035.
http://www.maerklin.de/service/...1&artikelnummer=3035
Offline river6109  
#3 Posted : 16 May 2013 05:01:13(UTC)
river6109

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Also I would recommend changing the brushes but it will be all reveled when you take the motor apart.

John
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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#4 Posted : 16 May 2013 09:26:32(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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I agree, the loco should be cleaned.
I use a spray contact cleaner too, as CRC.
If you need to look under the skin of the loco:
http://www.marklinfan.net/3035e.htm
bye
Alberto

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Offline baggio  
#5 Posted : 17 May 2013 05:38:48(UTC)
baggio

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Thank you for the information provided. It is appreciated.

Unfortunately, it seems that cleaning the loco is a VERY involved job. Does anyone know of a site where it would explain the process step by step?

Thanks.

Silvano
Offline river6109  
#6 Posted : 17 May 2013 06:39:32(UTC)
river6109

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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Thank you for the information provided. It is appreciated.

Unfortunately, it seems that cleaning the loco is a VERY involved job. Does anyone know of a site where it would explain the process step by step?

Thanks.

Silvano


Silvano,

not really, the magic with Märklin locos 95% of the parts are screwed on and about 5 % is soldered, especially older locos such as yours are free from fall of parts, plastic parts,

by getting a spare part sheet you sould see all the screws and if you unscrew them all your motor will be free in no time.
for instance to get the motor out from the undercarriage, you need to take the screw off from the coupling, you than remove the bogie frame (plastic) it has 2 hinges in the back by lifting up the front bogie assembly you can move the bogie back a bit and the 2 hinges are revealed and free.
you also have another screw on the bottom of the motor unscrew this as well and a small metal part will also come free.
to get the motor out of the undercarriage you know unsolder the wires, when you've finished with this the motor just pops out downwards.
get the 2 spring tension out of the brusholder, remove the brushes by laying the motor on its side, remove the 2 screws the motor brush holder is connected to the motor block, remove the soleniod magnet and the armature and you have your motor stripped. when using any cleaning fluid remove rubbertyres unless the worn anyhow and replace them with new ones when you've finished the job and everything is clean and free of oil.
When you've finished the task and everything worked out fine and the loco is running smoothly again, we'll give you a certificate of: marklin-users.net Achievement

regards.,

John
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Offline abisel  
#7 Posted : 17 May 2013 14:55:03(UTC)
abisel

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From what John said above and by referring to the exploded parts view in my first post, follow along. We will get you to the point where you can clean the drive chassis.
• Remove two screws (item 7) that secure the locomotive shell to the locomotive chassis item 24.
• Remove the screw (item 32) that secures the coupler to the drive chassis item 8.
• Remove the coupler, item 31.
• This will allow the plastic bogie frame (item 30) to fall free of the drive chassis slightly and by moving the plastic frame toward the center of the locomotive, the two tabs will slide free of the drive chassis.
• Remove the screw and metal bracket (items 29 and 28) that capture the drive chassis to the locomotive chassis.
• The drive chassis should be able to lift away from the locomotive chassis at this point.

It may not be necessary to unsolder any wires. Instead:
• With the drive chassis free from the locomotive chassis, use tweezers to pull up the brush spring wire just enough to slide them to the side and remove the two brushes item 19. Notice the orientation of the brushes to the brush holder and armature item 16.
• Remove the motor shield screws item 18, and remove the motor shield item 17 from the drive chassis.
• Now remove item 15, the motor magnet from the drive chassis. Item 16, the armature, may also be removed and placed to the side.

At this point, the drive chassis with drive wheels/gears should be free to clean.

Assembly is in reverse order.

Please, if you have any more questions, do not hesitate to ask. We are here to help.
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Offline Janne75  
#8 Posted : 17 May 2013 15:21:00(UTC)
Janne75

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Thanks John from good instructions.

I just wanted to write that it is not always needed to remove the wires from motor plate. I usually leave all the electric parts in the loco = field coil, motor plate and reversing unit. Then I only clean all parts and also motor plate from inside with some cotton "stick" = the thing that can be used also to clean your ears Smile . I have made maintenance work like this to many locos and got them perfectly cleaned and oiled. But I do remove always the motor bogie. Only electric parts stay in the loco. Anchor and brushes must be taken off.

I would say that this 3035 is quite easy locomotive model to do this kind of maintenance work. When you do it once then you can do it again easier. Be careful with all the wires if you use my method and leave field coil and motor plate wires in loco, so when you clean the parts they will not break.

Edit: RollEyes You were faster than me, and explained this better! Thanks! RollEyes ThumpUp

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline abisel  
#9 Posted : 17 May 2013 15:49:35(UTC)
abisel

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Also, please post some pictures of your 3035.

Some close-ups of the drive bogie and electrics.
Offline BrandonVA  
#10 Posted : 17 May 2013 19:02:21(UTC)
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Hello,

you can also take a look at this link:

https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...Loco-Service-How-to.aspx

It's not the same locomotive, but gives you an idea of how the motor is structured, how to take it apart and general location of brushes.

-Brandon
Offline baggio  
#11 Posted : 18 May 2013 05:48:10(UTC)
baggio

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Location: Toronto
I am overwhelmed by the responses I got. Thank you all very much.

Here are some pictures of the loco. The size is small, but the originals were too big, over 3 megs each.
Offline baggio  
#12 Posted : 18 May 2013 05:52:37(UTC)
baggio

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Thank you all for the very helpful feedback. BigGrin

Here are some pictures of the loco and my rough layout.

baggio attached the following image(s):
My 3035 - Roma 2013 001.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 002.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 003.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 004.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 005.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 006.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 007.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 008.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 009.jpg
My 3035 - Roma 2013 010.jpg
Offline evan.v.giles  
#13 Posted : 18 May 2013 06:45:03(UTC)
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Hi again

I'd also have a look at that screw in the middle of the reverse relay it may be fouling or rubbed into the coil.

It looks like he gerry rigged something to keep it in place.
Offline abisel  
#14 Posted : 18 May 2013 14:46:05(UTC)
abisel

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Yep, a good cleaning is in order.

Picture 8 of the drive bogie tells all.

Picture 4 shows the earlier motor shield with the older carbon brush (left) and wound wire brush (right). The wound wire brush appears to be worn the most. And I suspect the flat contact surface of the armature to be worn with carbon build-up and arching. You may need to replace the armature unless you can polish the contact surface flat again.

Still, disassembly is the same as described before.

When you get the drive bogie clear of the locomotive chassis, you will be able to get the motor shield screws, motor shield, armature and field winding free of the drive chassis without de-soldering the wires.

Take some more pictures of the drive bogie after you get it disassembled and before you get it cleaned. The armature too.

Cheers,
Offline baggio  
#15 Posted : 19 May 2013 18:23:29(UTC)
baggio

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Location: Toronto
Good news. The loco works better now, albeit still with problems.

I gave it several good runs at very low speeds. Yesterday, I actually had it run for hours at very low speeds with the cover off. Today, it still acts up in reverse (but maybe it's in forward, I get mixed up with the position of the shoe), in any event, in one direction has improved substantially, at times I think it may be close to normal, until I try to reverse the direction of travel and the loco does not move at all in either direction. Cursing

Overall, though, I think it is better now than before and my next task is to get the COURAGE to take those screws out... and risk having nothing more than a useless hip of metal Crying

Is anyone out there residing in the GTA? If so, I would be willing to pay for being shown how to do it, so that I can repeat it as well to my other locos. Incidentally, what do these darn brushes do? Are brushes for such an old loco still available?

In any event, I want to thank everyone who gave me all sorts of great suggestions and advice. I REALLY mean that. I will have to win my fear of mechanical things (in my life, I deal with paperwork...) and will report in due course with my successes (hopefully).

Silvano
Offline baggio  
#16 Posted : 31 May 2013 02:31:07(UTC)
baggio

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Unfortunately, the loco stopped working altogether a few days ago. Angry

The lights still go on, but no pushing makes it move.

Today I took it to the local dealer and Klaus himself will deal with it. I think if anyone can fix it, that is him (or Mike).

I am bracing for the cost: at least $75.00 plus taxes. Oh well.

On a positive note, I put up yesterday my very first video on Youtube. If anyone is interested, this is the site: http://youtu.be/ZUmVDHmCwTk

Regards to all.

Silvano




Offline Janne75  
#17 Posted : 31 May 2013 08:49:05(UTC)
Janne75

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Hello,

Many times when loco stops running and lights still go on the problem is that reversing unit (direction changer) has to be touched and after that it works ok. Your 3035 is so old that this is even easier as it has a manual reversing lever which does the same without any need to open loco body for this.

If electric loco stops running and even lights don't work then usually the "problem" is that the switch to change power supply from track to catenary has been moved accidentally to wrong position or in the middle position where the loco won't get power at all.

I hope that you get your loco now fixed.

Cheers,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline H0  
#18 Posted : 31 May 2013 09:24:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Many times when loco stops running and lights still go on the problem is that reversing unit (direction changer) has to be touched and after that it works ok.
In my experience it's more likely a problem with the brushes (not enough pressure, dirty (oiled), worn, whatever).
I've had that problem with a Liliput loco and some Märklin locos (all digital without mechanical reversing units).

Regards
Tom
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Offline Janne75  
#19 Posted : 31 May 2013 09:41:58(UTC)
Janne75

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Brushes can also be the cause, but my experiences are from many locos having problems with their mechanical reversing unit. Reversing unit don´t move to right position and the electrical connection is not ok. When pressing reversing unit front lightly to make a manual direction reverse or by using the mechanical reversing lever the locos started working again ok. This happens sometimes and after that manual fixing loco can work for a long time after. Normally if the cause is reversing unit that don´t go to right position the spring adjustment can help. When the reversing unit don´t get to right position loco makes some brrrzzzssssbbbrrrrrzzz Wink noise and lights goes brighter when voltage rises, but loco don´t run.

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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