Hello all,

Today I did a list of my Delta and Digital locos to see which addresses from 1-80 are still free and which are having two or more other than mfx locos. All went well until again I had to try to change digital address of an ESU Lokpilot decoder. Decoder address was 64 before I started. I put my CS2 60214 track current supply to programming track socket. I used POM method to change the address to 21. Everything went well except that now my CS 2 dont run this loco with address 64 or 21... But again my good old Control Unit 6021 runs it just like it should with the same address 21... Why? Is there some hidden second address for CS2? Reboot of CS2 wont help and I have put the track current socket back to normal track connection.

There is always same kind of problems with CS 2 and ESU, but with CU 6021 there is no problem at all. If these nightmares continues with ESU's I will soon sell these "shit" away and buy only Märklin decoders or locos equipped with them !

What can I do to be able to run that loco with the address I want with my CS 2 which is my main controller? Control Unit 6021 is used for lower tracks at the moment but will be replaced with CS 2 when my upper and lower tracks are connected later.

Regards,

Angry Janne from Finland

Edited by user 06 April 2013 23:36:26(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Hello again,

My Finnish temperament was shown again...

The "problem" is solved. I changed the address temporarily to 22 ONLY at the settings page and then back to the desired 21. CS2 in program track mode.

I found this info from Tom's (H0) recent post to me...

Edit: Thanks again Tom! There was not another loco with address 21, but that was a good hint. I was again messing things in POM and CV list. I found out that if the address was changed only at POM then it also had to be changed under PRG CV site. The main problem with me and ESU decoders is that I dont remember how I should change the address of them. Now I will change the address of another ESU loco. Lets see how it goes .

Cheers,
Janne

Thanks to both of You from very fast help!

My CS 2 SW version is 2.0.1 (0) and the loco is created as DCC loco. I did not remember that POM should only be used at main track and not programming track. The CV1 could be read and it is now 21. In some of my other ESU locos that CV1 is not the same as the decoders "usable" address with say Control Unit. Like Tom has wrote before the loco address should only be changed from loco settings page and not POM or CV pages. I am really glad that I was able to get it running now also with my CS2.

So I will keep also my ESU locos and not sell the "shit" away... =)

Cheers,
Janne

The address is determined by CVs 1, 18, 19, and 29. Another reason not to change the address from the CV page.
I presume that long addresses are activated in CV 29 and address is set in CVs 18 and 19.

Could be Uhlenbrock or Tams (or even another brand). You should be able to change the address with the CU 6021. If you want to change it, please show pictures of the decoder.

Thanks Tom,

I quessed right then. So there is more than one CV to determine loco address. I ended the address changing and got many locos to different addresses and now there is only two addresses (8 and 78) that have multiple locos which addresses can not be changed to individual address as these are Delta locos and all Delta addresses are in use.

That 3021 with unknown decoder with address 69 can be left as it is now. Many of my Digital locos have the same address, but it does not matter as there is also mfx locos in these multiple (or even more) with the same address. I have now 13 addresses left free from 1-80 so the next locos will get these ones. Only one ESU loco has an address that is over 80 (86). I try to get my locos within addresses 1-80 to be able to run them easily also with CU 6021.

I started to think that maybe I have soon enough Delta and Digital locos when all addresses are in use... Maybe some older analog 800 series locos then and that's it!

Regards,
Janne

What I do is make a EXCELL Table with all the Locomotives that I have into the CS2, showing their Decoders, address and Protocol. (DCC MOTOROLA or Mfx)
By this way I can know if I have duplicated addresses or not.

You could have two locomotives with the same address if the protocol is the same. For example, two (or more) DCC locomotives with address 10 or Two (or more) Motorola locomotives with address 18 (taking carefull not to run them at the same time)

But if you have two (or more) locomotives with the same address and different protocol there could be problems controlling them because CS2 does not "loves" two locomotives with the same address in DCC and Motorola.

Hello

First question:

The mfx locos does not need to use the motorola address. That address is only for use that locomotives only by Motorola protocol. The mfx locomotives registers itself by its own MAC address. It is absolutely different from Motorola basic mode.

You dont have to worry if you have a DCC locomotive with the same address than the motorola basic address of a mfx locomotive.

If your mallet only works in motorola mode and do not show the mfx icon when it is put over the track it means that the decoder is defective.

If you want to be sure make this:

1. Delete the mallet from CS2 database.
2. Try to make a reset to that locomotive with the 6021 (writing 08 into CV 8)
3. Put the locomotive in the programming track of CS2 and wait. If after several seconds the mfx icon does not appear that means this decoder works bad.

This problem occurs me with a BR10. That BR10 worked ok with 6021 in motorola but mfx protocol did not work. Then the shop changed it with another new Br10.

Second question:

Sometimes, when you entry a new locomotive in CS2 database (remember that mfx locomotives registers itself) the CS2 does not assing the right Icon or PHOTO. But you can upload your own photographies for locomotives.

1. Search a photo for the locomotibe using google.
2. Download that photo to your PC
3. Open it with a photo software like Adobe Photoshop
4. Change the dimensions at maximum to 128 X 48 72 ppp
5.Change colour to indexed format
6. Save the file as png format. Do not use caracters as _-*/ etc in the name. Only numbers or letters.
7. Make a folder named icons in a USB pendrive
8. Copy the file to that folder
9. Connect the USB pendrive to CS2
10. Select USB Stick in setup menu
11. Press update.
12. When it finished to will have the photo into CS2
13. Enter into locomotive main config page
14. Change the photo selecting the new you have uploaded.

You can upgrade the software version. The problems with 3.0.1 are minor problems. One is DCC reading has a bug that show wrong ACC delay, Vmin values in the main locomotive setup page, but you can entry manually this values reading the CVs 2 and 3. Some people had problems when they tried to update. The CS2 of that people gets hang with the blank screen but they solved downgrading first the CS2 to 1.6.4 software (using USB pendrive). Then they updated using Internet connection.
As long as I know the updating problems were with CS2 with HW 3.4. All people I know that have HW4.33 did not have problems.

Janne, Ruben,

Thanks for your postings, it is interesting to read. I presently have a CS1-R (Ecos) and with all my decoder upgrades of non sound or Delta Marklin Loks, I use ESU M4 decoders, now V4, but previously some V3 ones. I do have one a M37900 V290 that has an MSD because they have amplified function outputs on the decoder and I wanted individually operating telex at each end. I'd have to say not one of my favouirite upgrades, but it all works.

I would just like to point out that with M4 or (MFX) I have not experienced any address conflicts. I have kept my old 6021 but do not use it anymore, thought it may be useful for a Xmas tree circle layout, or some such, one day.

I think Ruben's idea of a spread sheet for all your Loks is a very good one, it can also be used for tracking servicing, and other events or whatever, for them It can also keep a total of their value, great for insurance purposes

As I am a bit of a fan of the MFX+ Cab Control Idea, and have one Lok (Klass 23) and another (BR218) on the way, so I am destined to get a CS2 It seems from what I read that as long as you have a reliable internet connection, that an on line update is the way to go !
Having a CS2 as well, will then make the 6021 totally redundant as I will have the CS1-R for other train operations including my modules
That said I believe a 6021 could be useful for a non communicative decoder by programming the old M/M way !? so will probably keep my 6021, just in case as the value is so not great anymore

The CS2 selects the loco symbol based on the name stored in the decoder and the filename of the image. So when a new Rh. 1012 registers, the CS2 may decide to use the image of a DB 101 for it.
When you open the properties page, you see three question marks as the image (not the automatically selected 101). When you leave the page clicking on OK it keeps the "???" image until you select a suitable image.

With mfx there are no address conflicts if they do not forget to set unique serial numbers in the decoders (I had two decoders without serial numbers that were causing various problems, but Märklin replaced them free of charge (one loco was already out of warranty)).
The MM address of mfx locos is ignored while they run on mfx.

Janne uses mfx/DCC/MM on one part of the layout and MM only on another part, so every loco must have a unique MM address in the range 01 through 80 and he cannot disable MM with his DCC/MM decoders.