Hello,

There is one HR 800 N old steamer for sale and it is one of the first versions that should have an sheet metal cover at left hand side. So manufacturing year is from 1947-1950 depending of the tender type.

Koll's 2012 list these versions prices as high as 700 euro, but this is for mint like new one with box and instructions etc.

This one is a restoration project without tender, sheet metal cover, original paint but in very used condition, one larger wheel in the middle has been replaced with an 3005 wheel. No original old pick-up shoes anymore. No box at all and without instructions...

Technically in good operating condition, old reversing unit with 2X for direction change. Motor ok, reversing unit ok, runs well to both directions, lights ok.

What could this one be worth? Is it worth 185 euro in this condition?

I would really like to buy this for restoration project. I can get all other parts needed for quite low prices (at least repro parts), but the original metal tender seems to be very expensive. Older full metal and after that with real coal in tender. The last HR 800 N had a plastic tender from G 800, but this loco is too old to have this tender. That HR 800 N that had a plastic tender did not have anymore that sheet metal cover as it had different loco body without it.

Thanks in advance for any help regarding is this one worth 185 euro or not? It must cost at least 400-500 euro all together to get this one back to good condition, if I find a tender with reasonable price and painting will be done with help of one loco restaurer...

Janne

well, good luck with the Project!!!
all the fun you get by finding and waiting for parts, and repairing old locos is priceless!

Sounds like a good project.

If you plan to keep it your entire life, why not invest in original parts? In fact, they are usually cheaper than the reproductions in most cases! My prediction is that in 10-20 years, restored HO locos will not have much value at all....the supply of reproductions is only growing and the supply of originals is roughly the same (hard to say....more locos being found and others deteriorate with age).

Best regards,

Paul

Hi Janne,

Good luck with your project, that will be a great Loco to own.

Ian.

You're correct, there were no red boxes in 1947 just gray ones. I know for sure in 1949 there were red diamond boxes because I have a red TW 800 NR locomotive with red diamond pattern. Probably then in 47/48 we only see gray boxes and no red ones.

Paul

How can I post pictures here? I have only posted pictures under my profile as then I can browse the pictures from my computer. I dont have any web program or server where from I could link the pictures over here..

Cheers,
Janne

Hello,

My first try to post two pictures with ImageShack:

HR 800 N.1 project 1

HR 800 N.1 project 2

As You all can see the locomotive body is a bit broken from the right side rear corner. I think that I can kive with this small error .

I calculated that it will take at least 350 euro to order a repro full metal "HR 809" tender with metal coals (145 euro) and other parts needed. All repro wheels and front and right "bogie" included with light red older color in the wheels. Then new cylinder group, original front bumper plate, front light surrounding "wires", either repro tongue slider or big hole original ski-slider. Repro brush cover that is unfortunately cast part and not sheet metal like the original has been. Then new brushes for motor and brush springs etc. small parts needed. My friend can do the paint work as he has restored many "800" and other older Märklin steamers and have that right "black that is not black color". The light red is a bit more difficult one as he has normally painted the red parts with that "dark red" color that was used in a bit newer steamers.

Here is a link to Ritter for HR 800 N:

http://www.ritter-restau...il=;usrPwd=;katKey=1.3.4

Yes! Those pictures work! Sorry for these two very bad pictures. I will take some more myself. These are the two pictures that the seller has taken from it.

Cheers,
Janne

I do like those loco's! thanks for the photo's

Hi Janne,

Enjoy the Car Show.

Ian.

Hi Janne,

Thanks for the photo's, alot of work to be done....but well worth it.

Ian.

Very good, Janne, congrats on winning the second model and now you can make a very nice, complete original one.

I have a bag full of thin wheels that I believe would work for the HR 800.....about half are repro and half are original. I'll take some photos and see if they would work for you.

Best regards,

Paul

Hello Janne,

Here are the parts that I found....turns out I only have 5 original wheels total and the rest seem to be replica....looks like the replicas aren't painted red on the back but the originals are...also pulled out a flat tongue slider (I think you need one of those?) and a little surprise at the end....





and your next project???



Paul

Hi Janne,

This is an interesting thread but sadly I'm not going to enjoy looking at your pictures because of the utter CRAP that 'imageshack' bombard me with whenever I got to their site.

This of course is not your fault in any way, but is typical of these 'free' hosting sites and I hate it with a vengeance - really harks back to the earlier dark dirty days of the internet when if you were unlucky to find yourself at the wrong site, windows and screens would start opening spontaneously faster than you could close them. Adverts for Gambling, Gaming, Porn, you name it.

Below is an example of what popped up today when I opened the first of your image links, the same thing happened the other day with one of the images from your first posing. It's not just the new window that opens but it has an aggravating audio with it as well which does not warn you it's starting and stomps all over any audio already playing. Then I have to muck around finding the offending window to close and stop it (not always easy when you have multiple programs or tabs on the go).

Yeah of course I could muck around adding various blockers to prevent ads etc, but usually I don't have to worry about it and I like to keep my browser free of as many add-ons and extensions as possible. For what it's worth, the same thing happened on the imagecrap site with Google Chrome (my preferred browser) and with Internet Explorer. The problem here is the imageshack site design.

Please don't think I'm trying to rain on your parade, and if you'd like some help on how to post your images directly into your messages (as Paul has done) please sing out, we love to help and it's much easier to follow the thread with the images 'in-line' than having to go externally. It can be a bit tricky for our newer members to get their heads around and I'd love to see your photos, just not via the imagecrap site. One good alternative if you really do wish to have your albums available and independent of this forum is the Google option - picasaweb - image display is much tidier

But please keep up with the updates on your article. I had the joy of refurbishing my HR800 not too long ago and really enjoyed the work and the result, but I chose not to attempt a repaint because it was not really needed hence it's a 'refurb', not a 'restore'.

Kind regards

Steve

Hi Janne,

To tell the true, I also don't like to click to see a photo.
Why don't you use a photo host to show your photos directly without clicking, like so many forum members do.
For example the post above from Paul / CCS800KrokHunter3.

Marco

An update again. Those repro wheels that is in Paul's pictures looks to be different ones than the repro wheels from Ritter or TT-internetshop. Paul's repros has 20 spokes and original have 18 spokes. Ritter and TT-internetshop repros have 18 spokes in their pictures.

My HR 800 N have four good condition drive wheels with nice grey color. These are not nickel plated as they are not shiny. What I really need is the two middle drive wheels without the flanges (grey and not nickel plated with 18 spokes). When replacing only these two (other one is wrong 3005 and other is cracked from two places). Then my drive wheels would look more like evenly weared.

As I will only replace the loco body to a better condition original paint one and not re-paint it this would be good to get it in good original condition. Same thing with side rods "linkage" or what ever they are called. No re-paint for these. Only parts that need really be re-painted are the red parts in the loco frame under cabin. Factory new original front bumper plate and lamp surrounding "wires" will be used if the other original loco body dont have good ones.

I will buy repro new front and rear bogie with wheels. As the loco has fallen down earlier and body right hand side rear corner broken it has also taken the "hit" with rear bogie. I looked closer to it and it has cracked from over ten places... Maybe same thing with the middle drive wheels as other had been changed to wrong 3005 and other had two cracks...and the cylinder block or base has two cracks.


Thank god the frame is ok.

So if I want to replace some day all these six drive wheels then I will buy a TTN repro wheel set.

Paul, I need only now those two middle drive wheels without flanges if they are grey colored and both are 18 spoke ones. One is at least 18 spoke version as I can see in your pictures. I also want to buy that original flat tongue slider. I am very interested in your MS 800. But I must buy it later. It looks like that it will cost around 250-300 euro to have the missing parts if motor and reverse unit are ok.

Regards,
Janne