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vilithejou		#201 Posted : 14 January 2013 22:02:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: NS1200 Maerklin 37995 Weathered Big Boy a hoax? The number 37995 was used earlier for a set of two Br 03 steamers,one black and one blue. It's not a hoax, i see it in the neuheiten show las friday And the pack of br03 is 37955 not 37995
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klarinettmeister		#202 Posted : 14 January 2013 22:03:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg		Really good year, but expensive! This year I'll buy: 37753 DM3 46370 Ore cars 46371 Ore cars 24237 Ore cars Trix 24238 Ore cars Trix 47458 Container cars Volvo 26495 Montreal Limited 47760 Tin plate car set 48640 Tin plate car set Also I´m waiting for 37410, 37411 and 37618. This year I wish to buy: 36338 Ue 30301 DA 40301 4 tin-plate cars 37565 2 Crocodiles There are some things that are not clear. In the catalouge the description of 47760 says it only consists of 6 cars, but in the text it says 6 freight cars and a caboose. And there are 7 cars in the picture, including the caboose. In the text of 26495 it says "Lokomotive mit Digital-Decoder mfx und umfangreichen Geräuschfunktionen. Geregelter Hochleistungsantrieb. 2 Achsen angetrieben. Haftreifen. " This should mean that one unit is a dummy. Could this be correct? One motor is enough to pull the complete train... What´s the difference between the new and old Thalys? They look exactly the same to me.
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danmarklinman		#203 Posted : 14 January 2013 22:52:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		Originally Posted by: steventrain Cab control on CS2 Will this feature only work with so equipped locos and do you know if Marklin are doing Dutch item PDF Ive ordered the Flat iron danmarklinman attached the following image(s):
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Bigdaddynz		#204 Posted : 14 January 2013 22:54:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Not much that interests me this year, hopefully it's a cheap one! Items of interest are: Br58 Br189 V200 1 Gauge and maybe the Br03 with mfx+
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Winterblade73		#205 Posted : 14 January 2013 23:23:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 255 Location: San Diego CA		Looks like going to be a cheap year for me too! Now I can concentrate on getting older stuff I missed.
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nilkram58		#206 Posted : 14 January 2013 23:42:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 158 Location: Athens, Greece		Originally Posted by: Winterblade73 Looks like going to be a cheap year for me too! Now I can concentrate on getting older stuff I missed. I agree also with Phil !! This year will be devoted to Ebay auctions in order to acquire missing models from the past !!! Very poor catalog. Akis
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mike c		#207 Posted : 15 January 2013 00:18:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister What´s the difference between the new and old Thalys? They look exactly the same to me. I believe that the first one was a Thalys PBA and this new one is the PBKA that is equipped to run in Germany PBA=Paris Bruxelles Amsterdam PBKA=Paris Bruxelles Koeln (Cologne) Amsterdam Regards Mike C
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b-earl		#208 Posted : 15 January 2013 00:18:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Vienna, Austria		Hi David and Mike   the PA-1's sold as dobbels have always been one locomotive as dummy. The train is not so long so I think the power should be enough for the train. The Thalys, the only difference I can read about is the "Betriebszustand" the new one is from 2012 thw old one was from 2010. Both are Thalys PBKA. I found in one of the extra cars 43421 I see that some logos have changed place on the cars, but if that is a mistake when the photo was taken or it is that way on the real Thalys I do not know.   Claes
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KingBuick		#209 Posted : 15 January 2013 00:39:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 456 Location: IAD, DCA		Hi everyone. I don't know if the following has been discussed in terms of M's 2013 new items, but here's what I discovered today. 1. There is no Canadian ALCO PA-1 set. Instead there's the Delaware and Hudson ALCO PA-1 set. It's essentially the exact same cast/mold of my Santa Fe ALCO PA-1 double units, but with the D&H livery. It's like a couple years ago when M released the Wabash ALCO PA-1 set. Same mold! 2. I cannot find any info of a 37995 Big Boy that's weathered. In the official Märklin PDF that I was looking at there wasn't a single listing for it. Maybe it'll be released in the Summer or Fall New Items? If this information has been discussed already I apologise. I just wanted to make sure you guys know about the above. Cheers! Tadeusz.
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kimballthurlow		#210 Posted : 15 January 2013 00:39:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, PDF catalogue of new 2013 items here: http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/produkte/pdfs/Maerklin_NH_2013.pdf regards kimball
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kimballthurlow		#211 Posted : 15 January 2013 01:08:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, 72205 is an interesting item, and making assumptions from the pictures, appears to be in kit form. It is a structural model with some integrity. Perhaps this is the beginning of a construction series which could grow to play alongside Lego. 39644 (Class 64) looks an ideal less expensive start to get into MFX+. I guess that gives you cab driving with the appropriate Central Station. I don't understand why Marklin would market old style Relex coupler equipped US freight cars (items 47760 and 48640). No doubt they are of excellent construction and desirable in their own right. But the North American market is well informed on the benefits of their encumbent coupler systems. These cars are not convertible to Kadee, NRM or other types. That certainly limits their marketability. I for one would proably buy a set, but alas, not with Relex couplers. regards Kimball
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eigentor		#212 Posted : 15 January 2013 01:29:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: Saskatoon, SK		"Cheap" year for me too it seems - though I think Marklin has done a good job. Some early "for sure" items: a couple 44810 Container Malwagen - my daughters will love those 37768 BR 218 - because I've wanted a 218 and something in cream/turquoise and really want to try MFX+ 37695 SNCB Serie 8000 /w telex - this livery has been on my list since I was a teenager. Glad to see it here. Possibly the BR101 and E50 as well. Disappointed the "Canadian" train isn't really Canadian. I'm assuming this catalog doesn't include the export items?
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kimballthurlow		#213 Posted : 15 January 2013 01:40:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, It seems from many replies that MFX+ is going to be popular. Can I ask a question please? Why couldn't Marklin fit the Class 58 Insider model (37589) with MFX+? Surely we join the Insider Club to get some exclusivity. There are two facets to introducing a new series of technology, by giving it first to Insider members. 1. It rewards existing members 2. It would encourage new Insider members As most members won't get this model till late 2013, they will feel left behind, and perhaps even dudded. regards Kimball
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eigentor		#214 Posted : 15 January 2013 01:47:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: Saskatoon, SK		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Hi, Surely we join the Insider Club to get some exclusivity. I was wondering the exact same thing. I have rarely ordered any of the insider items - and this is partly the reason. And if MFX+ looks as much fun as I think it might be - I'll be unlikely to buy non MFX+ locos in the future. How much difference is the production cost going to be for them between MFX and MFX+ anyway? It must be mostly software. Switch the entire line over ASAP. Oh to be Marklin CEO for a day (or year). cheers, Markus
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mike c		#215 Posted : 15 January 2013 02:54:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow I don't understand why Marklin would market old style Relex coupler equipped US freight cars (items 47760 and 48640). No doubt they are of excellent construction and desirable in their own right. But the North American market is well informed on the benefits of their encumbent coupler systems. These cars are not convertible to Kadee, NRM or other types. That certainly limits their marketability. I for one would proably buy a set, but alas, not with Relex couplers. regards Kimball These are retro models, like the 24cm metal coaches and so on. They are not intended to be high quality models with close couplings, etc. Regards Mike C
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DV		#216 Posted : 15 January 2013 04:25:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/11/2009(UTC) Posts: 960 Location: Mount Barker, South Australia		Just found this.....English version of new items (item by item) on the USA product base New Items 2013 Sorry if any one else has all ready posted this Enjoy.
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foumaro		#217 Posted : 15 January 2013 04:37:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,431 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		There are some things that are not clear. In the catalouge the description of 47760 says it only consists of 6 cars, but in the text it says 6 freight cars and a caboose. And there are 7 cars in the picture, including the caboose. In the text of 26495 it says "Lokomotive mit Digital-Decoder mfx und umfangreichen Geräuschfunktionen. Geregelter Hochleistungsantrieb. 2 Achsen angetrieben. Haftreifen. " This should mean that one unit is a dummy. Could this be correct? One motor is enough to pull the complete train... What´s the difference between the new and old Thalys? They look exactly the same to me. I think that the double Alco will have two motors and one decoder as all the previous double units 37610-37611-37612-37613.Such a heavy unin without motor it will be nightmare.
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dodger0325		#218 Posted : 15 January 2013 04:41:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/08/2011(UTC) Posts: 95 Location: ft lauderdale		Does anybody know what the MFX on the signals stand for? Roger
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Marius in Africa		#219 Posted : 15 January 2013 05:14:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: b-earl Hi David and Mike the PA-1's sold as dobbels have always been one locomotive as dummy...................Claes What is your definition of a "dummy", a motor-less unit? If so i disagree with this statement. Go look at the Marklin product database, model no. 37610 & 49610 (ALCO PA 1 - UP colours) where both fitted with motors. The control of the motor, in the "dummy" (49610) unit, is via a single decoder mounted inside the "master" (37610) unit. I believe this is a printing error, model no. 26495 should be fitted with a motor in the "master" and "dummy" locomotive. Regards Marius
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old toot		#220 Posted : 15 January 2013 06:44:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 498 Location: christchurch, canterbury		hi all If you are looking the details about the Big Boy it's on pages 58/89 of the main HO catalogue and carries the number 37994 okay its not in the New items Catalogue and i think there are few other items listed like that, so you need to look at both the main and the new items catalogue something there for all and as always there will be a item that some where looking for but their is always sometimes some summer and autumn add ranges, so if enough voice their interest and Marklin sees a gap in production you could see that item turn up as we know they do read a lot of what we write here regards and have a good year and don't worry my aust brothers MFX does not stand for Massive Fire Extinguisher or though you probally would like it to at present,and we have been very dry here also and just got some good rain today regards and Happy new year al Bryan old toot in christchurch ( Now know as Shaky Earth"
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NS1200		#221 Posted : 15 January 2013 06:58:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Friends, The 37753 Dm3 comes at a staggering price of Euro 579.95. The two part NSB version comes at Euro 499.95. Prices for the DC Trix versions 22273 and 22274 are identical. With these sort of prices i need to concentrate on used but good second hand material. As a matter of fact i just bought a near to new 3053 E103 and a near to new 3315 Br50 for around Euro 100.- each. A hobby is only a hobby when you can afford it. Cheers, Paul.
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Nielsenr		#222 Posted : 15 January 2013 07:17:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Bryan, As for the 37994 Big Boy listed in the main catalog, that product has already been produced and delivered. My understanding is the main catalog is a compilation of the a given year's new item catalog and all of the quarterly and export catalog updates. I think everyone is referring to a new 37995 Big Boy that is weathered that has been discussed previously here on the forum and on other forums. Maybe it will be a Toy Fair loco or maybe something in the export catalog like the B&O and Kansas City Southern F7s from this past year. I hope the 37995 is produced, I would like a weathered version. Robert
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Joseph Meiring		#223 Posted : 15 January 2013 08:07:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,165 Location: Western Cape Cape Town		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist At last a steam shunter with telex and sounds !! the venerable 3000 reborne 37043 but it's more than $NZ100 an inch Also a new S88 connect thingy and K83 & K84 with LEDs and external dipswitches Like the idea of the "3000" with sound AND Telex!!...any hints on price??.could be on my "to buy" list for 2013 Also the BR 24 looks good with sound, smoke..... Joe
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H0		#224 Posted : 15 January 2013 08:15:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Goofy I did noticed one thing about m83 and m84 decoder. Are those models working for DCC too...? Yep! They works with mfx,MM and DCC. No mfx with m 83 or m 84, just MM and DCC. It seems that new s 88 can only be used with CS2. I am not surprised to see the return of BR 152, 182, and 189. Sounds as if they come with good old-fashioned HEP. I would have preferred a new propulsion with centrally mounted motor and four powered axles. I think I'll get the ICE dining coach 44105. Maybe I'll also get a few freight cars. In my personal opinion, the 2013 new items brochure is very budget friendly.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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mike c		#225 Posted : 15 January 2013 08:26:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		The Big Boy will probably show up as an Export Item Mike C
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mike c		#226 Posted : 15 January 2013 08:40:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		For those modelling Era III or early Era IV DB (1/100), there is an interesting DB IC 71 coach set #31131 being marketed for Trix Express. The coaches are three blue Am203 and a blue/burgundy ARm217 "Kakadu" half diner. Each coach is 27cm long and comes with Trix Express and Maerklin couplings. The AC wheelsets are 700150 (Märklin) Radsatz-AC. This would be a nice consist behind a E10, E03/103 or V200 for the early 1970s. I presume that this represents just before second class coaches were introduced into Intercity traffic. Regards Mike C
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jonas_sthlm		#227 Posted : 15 January 2013 09:10:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 988 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		It looks like a Norwegian green Nohab engine with some old red B1 coach after Maybe some Export Item... The swedish Da engine looks to get a new number 890 and someone said that the molds was broken so weird
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mbarreto		#228 Posted : 15 January 2013 09:39:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		I think M is trying to sell mfx+ with models that we are not so interested in. The marketing of those models is exactly the mfx+, so they get some more profit on their moulds. Specially the DB red electrics with mfx+ have lots of versions already. I am not doing nordics models, but the new electrics and the coal wagons seem great. Their price is strategic. I don't know if the strategy is increase profit or promote ebay . We are not used to have electric locos at those prices. Do they have 2 motors? About the cab control in v2.5, it would be nice to have a graphics cab for mfx locos, even without the several levels (pro, standard, etc). We could load cabs to the CS2 was interesting. The 37960 Gt 2x4/4 seems to be a bit different from the 37964 in the wheels color, but I am not sure. I am not at hme, so I am not seeing mine and in the photos seems the gren is a bit different, but colors in photos are not trustable. I go for the crocs set and didn't decide on anything else yet. Time will tell as I will not pre-order.
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kimballthurlow		#229 Posted : 15 January 2013 09:55:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: mike c Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow .......re old style Relex coupler equipped US freight cars (items 47760 and 48640). No doubt they are of excellent construction and desirable in their own right. ..... I for one would probably buy a set, but alas, not with Relex couplers. regards Kimball These are retro models, like the 24cm metal coaches and so on. They are not intended to be high quality models with close couplings, etc. Regards Mike C Hi Mike, Thanks, understood. So they are happy aiming at those who are collectors, or run their Marklin model trains as they did pre-1980. Even their later models, example the GG-1, are fitted with NRM coupler boxes, so you can change the couplers. I have a lot of US style HO freight cars, mostly plastic, fitted with Kadee couplers. But I would certainly prefer them to be made of metal, as Marklin does. regards Kimball
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b-earl		#230 Posted : 15 January 2013 13:35:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Vienna, Austria		Hi dodger0325 It looks like the signals will have some sort of mfx function. Will have to wait until Märklin anounce some more information. Would be nice if the signals would also use mfx like the locomotives.
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tulit		#231 Posted : 15 January 2013 14:24:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 400		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Goofy I did noticed one thing about m83 and m84 decoder. Are those models working for DCC too...? Yep! They works with mfx,MM and DCC. No mfx with m 83 or m 84, just MM and DCC. It seems that new s 88 can only be used with CS2. . I'm trying to understand what the new s88 really is. I get the impression that the only real difference is they changed the cable/connector? It sounds like from the descriptions to interface it to the CS2 you need to buy the s88 Link as well (which in addition to having inputs) converts the new connector style back to the old ribbon cable format so that it can be plugged into a CS2. Or where else would it plug in? The unused Sx port? Or maybe I'm just misinterpreting the descriptions...
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H0		#232 Posted : 15 January 2013 14:36:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: tulit Or where else would it plug in? My guess is it connects to the CAN bus (just like the booster). They write it can be connected to the CS II or a Terminal 60125.
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mjrallare		#233 Posted : 15 January 2013 18:27:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Hi! Looking at the reactions here and at Stummis, the news seems to have been somewhat negatively greeted. After looking through the pdf a couple of times more, I'm quite positive. Sure, one always wish there were more. But there will be a second insider and then summer-news and after that autumn-news... For me it will be yet another expensive year; Insider BR 58 and waggons, BR 78, both the BR 03s, BR 64, the Crocs-set, the Dm3 + The El 12 and 4*waggons and waggons from the 00769-set... I wonder how I'll manage to convince my wife that all this only costs 499 €... /Torbjörn
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Andrey		#234 Posted : 15 January 2013 19:16:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 641 Location: Moscow		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Not much that interests me this year, hopefully it's a cheap one! The same for me. I'll just go for 37956 or even 37957 BR 03 with Wagner deflectors and polisched bare metal boiler bands - long awaited BR 03 new tooling is here, looks superb. By the way, no German railcars this year (except SNCF Kittel). Doesn't it look rather poor? Another good point: Originally Posted by: NS1200 Friends, The 37753 Dm3 comes at a staggering price of Euro 579.95. The two part NSB version comes at Euro 499.95. Prices for the DC Trix versions 22273 and 22274 are identical. ...... A hobby is only a hobby when you can afford it. Cheers, Paul. Paul, I share your opinion. Prices are staggering. For those who doesn't want to put themselves to the situation described by Torbjorn in the end of previous post, 2013 perhaps is a good year to learn to be more selective.
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steventrain		#235 Posted : 15 January 2013 19:19:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Hi, the 37995 and 39024 is on lokshop website. But I can not find new signals on Marklin databse until Summer new items or next year?
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steventrain		#236 Posted : 15 January 2013 19:28:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Another Crocodile. 37567 E-Lok Ce 6/8 II.
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mjrallare		#237 Posted : 15 January 2013 19:50:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Originally Posted by: NS1200 Friends, The 37753 Dm3 comes at a staggering price of Euro 579.95. The two part NSB version comes at Euro 499.95. Prices for the DC Trix versions 22273 and 22274 are identical. With these sort of prices i need to concentrate on used but good second hand material. As a matter of fact i just bought a near to new 3053 E103 and a near to new 3315 Br50 for around Euro 100.- each. A hobby is only a hobby when you can afford it. Cheers, Paul. Hi! I agree that the prices are a bit hefty. 299€ for the BR 78 is hard to understand. It will also be hard to decide when to buy. The pre-order prices will most likely be 15-20% below recommended prices. But even though 20% seemed like a good deal one year ago it wasn't necessarily so. Looking at the BR 50 with sound recommended price was 399€ and you can buy one on e-bay today for 239€. /Torbjörn
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clapcott		#238 Posted : 15 January 2013 19:52:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Goofy I did noticed one thing about m83 and m84 decoder. Are those models working for DCC too...? Yep! They works with mfx,MM and DCC. No mfx with m 83 or m 84, just MM and DCC. It seems that new s 88 can only be used with CS2. . I'm trying to understand what the new s88 really is. I get the impression that the only real difference is they changed the cable/connector? It sounds like from the descriptions to interface it to the CS2 you need to buy the s88 Link as well (which in addition to having inputs) converts the new connector style back to the old ribbon cable format so that it can be plugged into a CS2. Or where else would it plug in? The unused Sx port? Or maybe I'm just misinterpreting the descriptions... On the scant reading available (hopefully there will be a full disclosure of technical information after Nuremberg). there are 3 new products in the 6088x line. 60883 The L88 (aka S88Link) is the item that connects to the system bus - this addresses the 2 m limit on the s88 bus for physical connectivity - out of this module (which might be over the otherside of the layout) you can start a chain of standard s88s - added capability for homemade layout diagrams (aka 6043 without the LED display) where the 8+8 connections can be configured to represent 64 switches 60881 The S88 (new) appears to be a technology replacement and similar functionality to the 6088 we know and love - the statement is for connection to the L88 but it is unclear if this can connect in standard cabling 60882 The S88 DC (Boy it gets my hackles up when people use DC as synonymous to 2 Rail) sounds like a current-detection module for track ocupancy - the total current carring capabilities of ALL the inputs will be the issue here These "concepts" have been available from other vendors and 3rd parties for years. Only time will tell if the products delivery anything extra.
		Peter
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BrandonVA		#239 Posted : 15 January 2013 20:43:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,533 Location: VA		I think it looks pretty good! If my wallet could stand, quiet a few I would choose beyond BR24. A bit better than last year IMHO.
		My (new) layout progress - BrandonBahn III My previous layout - Brandonbahn II (click here)
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Frankenbahner		#240 Posted : 15 January 2013 20:43:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 625 Location: Nuremberg, Bavaria		Many of Märklin's prices are staggering. But there are also other firms on the market, or a lot of used stuff in good condition for good prices. There are nearly always alternatives - for example Märklin's VT 11.5 is far too expensive, but there's a nicely done Roco model too. In our model train club, I don't know anyone who owns that Märklin VT 11.5 model, but several of our "Märkliners" own the AC version of the Roco train. I'm a model train enthusiast, not a Märklin enthusiast. So I don't stick to a certain firm - neither to Märklin, nor to Roco, nor to any other manufacturer. Just tell me a reason why one should stick to a certain firm. If Märklin, or another manufacturer, has stuff which meets my interest, and I think the price is okay, I'm going to buy it. If I think something is too expensive, I just won't buy it. This goes for Märklin, as well as for every other model train firm. One can curse those high prices the whole day, but this won't bother anyone. It won't bother Märklin as long as you buy the overprized items. Even if you publish a book about staggering Märklin prices, it won't really bother them, as long as you're still continuing to buy. As soon as you buy an item, you accept the price. You clearly indicate to the dealer or manufacturer that you're able, and willing, to pay a price like this. The only way to tell a firm that their are products are overprized means not to buy their stuff. Complaining won't lead anythere. Regards, Florian
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RayF		#241 Posted : 15 January 2013 20:58:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Florian, you're absolutely right. The market sets the prices. and if people pay the current prices in sufficient numbers then Marklin would be stupid to lower them. I buy Marklin by choice, but not exclusively. I also have non-Marklin models, especially a growing collection of Piko models which are very good value in my opinion. In the past I have found the higher end Marklin models to be difficult to justify on price, and have ended up buying less specified models at more modest prices. I continue to look for bargains on those expensive models. Just recently I have bought a Br96 for half the price of a new one. I don't find Roco to be significantly cheaper than Marklin for standard models. In fact, in some cases, I have found Marklin's model to be cheaper than the equivalent Roco one. This does not apply to Insider models and other specials, which I always find overpriced.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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H0		#242 Posted : 15 January 2013 21:14:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: Frankenbahner Just tell me a reason why one should stick to a certain firm. IMHO it's the other way around: once bitten, twice shy. I don't like locos that come with many small plastic parts that have to be glued (like Brawa or Piko Classic). It's OK for me if small plastic parts have to be plugged in (like Roco). Typical Märklin locos have only few or no small parts to be assembled by the buyer (unless they are Trix locos with slider in Märklin boxes). But Märklin is losing ground - with some of the new locos, the lubrication (required after 20 hours) can be pretty difficult. Two days ago I greased a Roco loco and a Trix loco. Roco: no problems, no screws, wormdrive easily accessible. Trix: the body was clipped on, but then I had to remove six screws to get to the wormdrive. Märklin have some problems with QA and QC, but the locos come with all parts pre-installed for normal operation on a layout. Re VT 11.5: some customers like the Roco version because the rivets are larger than Märklin's and can easily be seen. The press wrote that the rivets on the Roco train are way too large while Märklin made them in the correct dimensions.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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danmarklinman		#243 Posted : 15 January 2013 21:34:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		Originally Posted by: mjrallare Hi! Looking at the reactions here and at Stummis, the news seems to have been somewhat negatively greeted. After looking through the pdf a couple of times more, I'm quite positive. Sure, one always wish there were more. But there will be a second insider and then summer-news and after that autumn-news... For me it will be yet another expensive year; Insider BR 58 and waggons, BR 78, both the BR 03s, BR 64, the Crocs-set, the Dm3 + The El 12 and 4*waggons and waggons from the 00769-set... I wonder how I'll manage to convince my wife that all this only costs 499 €... /Torbjörn Torbjorn im with you on this. I am happy with what Marklin are doing. Theresmore SNCF stuff than i can afford Besides i have got a SNCF 40100 on the way to me At the end of the day you cant please everyone
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Goofy		#244 Posted : 15 January 2013 22:04:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Goofy I did noticed one thing about m83 and m84 decoder. Are those models working for DCC too...? Yep! They works with mfx,MM and DCC. No mfx with m 83 or m 84, just MM and DCC. I did noticed it later and did report here in forum. m83 and m84 supports only MM and DCC.
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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jeehring		#245 Posted : 15 January 2013 23:31:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		I'm a little surprised at some comments. In terms of novelties and creations, It seems that 2013 is the year the richest since 2009 ... 2009 was the year of bankruptcy , and since then, every year we had very few "new Toolings" especially when compared with the mid-2000s
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RayF		#246 Posted : 15 January 2013 23:36:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		New MFX technology, new signals, new toolings for German and Scandinavian locos... I don't think we can complain too much!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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GSRR		#247 Posted : 15 January 2013 23:46:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Originally Posted by: steventrain Another Crocodile. 37567 E-Lok Ce 6/8 II. Stephen, do you have a source for that, not in the product bank? r/Thomas
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GSRR		#248 Posted : 15 January 2013 23:57:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Pricing. well yes some of the pricing may seem extreme, but let's look at recent examples 37656 Krokodil-Doppelpackung has a price of 899,99. Yet within two weeks is available for 700,00. As for the 37753 Schwere Erzlokomotive at 579,95. Maybe the price will drop also. r/Thomas
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mike c		#249 Posted : 16 January 2013 00:12:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		I just got my 37324 Re 6/6 delivered for just under CAD$400. I decided to buy in North America based on the EUR 289 price advertised plus shipping costs, but I have since seen the same item going for just over 200 EUR (CAD$260), so my 2013 items will not be preordered but will be ordered after the items are out. Regards Mike C
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mjrallare		#250 Posted : 16 January 2013 00:18:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Hi! The pricing policy of Märklin has been discussed heavily on this forum not long ago. It seems to me as it underwent a bit of "trial and error" and "learning by doing". I'm not sure they even have a policy anymore. If Märklins prices are too high or not, depends on which prices we are talking about. Lately I've bought a 37810 for 249€, a 37811 for 209€, a 37705 for 199€ and a 37107 for 179€. Those prices are far below recommended prices. As I've said before I'm all for market-driven prices. Märklin made a mistake when they tried to control the prices to end customers some time ago. However, the huge differences between recommended and actual prices that we've seen lately do bring a lot of uncertainty. Personnally I will buy quite a number of the new items, but I won't pre-order much because I know prices will drop a lot. If I'm not alone, this can't be good for Märklins production planning. And Märklin needs to sharpen up their production planning. The "clearance-sales" they do are too frequent and affects too many models. The sales are not the exception any more, they are the rule. But it's easy to see their thinking. They are calculating "on the margin". It doesn't cost them much to produce a couple of thousands more of a loco once the initial set-up costs are taken. In short term this thinking could very well boost Märklins numbers (and I think that is the case). In the long run though, I think it will hurt the company. If you buy something for 399€, and then realise you could have bought it for 239€... Well, let's say it's not a happy feeling. /Torbjörn
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