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Unholz		#1 Posted : 07 November 2012 13:27:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		It is currently being speculated in German forums that Marklin will issue a model of the first series SBB crocodiles which were so far offered by Roco in HO gauge (and by Marklin in O gauge): https://www.huenerbein.d...lpack-krokodile-vyp.html Sorry in case this has already been mentioned elsewhere.
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jvuye		#2 Posted : 07 November 2012 14:51:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: Unholz It is currently being speculated in German forums that Marklin will issue a model of the first series SBB crocodiles which were so far offered by Roco in HO gauge (and by Marklin in O gauge): https://www.huenerbein.d...lpack-krokodile-vyp.html Sorry in case this has already been mentioned elsewhere. If that is the case, and it really has two motors....I'll have to make room and add yet a few more kroks to my menagerie Thanks Stefan: once again, you made my day! Cheers
		Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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shannon		#3 Posted : 07 November 2012 16:14:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		I don't mind getting new one either green or brown rather than buying two once a time 900€ ! how a terrible pricing!!
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Nigel Packer		#4 Posted : 07 November 2012 16:17:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 700 Location: Cheshire, UK		Originally Posted by: jvuye Originally Posted by: Unholz It is currently being speculated in German forums that Marklin will issue a model of the first series SBB crocodiles which were so far offered by Roco in HO gauge (and by Marklin in O gauge): https://www.huenerbein.d...lpack-krokodile-vyp.html Sorry in case this has already been mentioned elsewhere. If that is the case, and it really has two motors....I'll have to make room and add yet a few more kroks to my menagerie Thanks Stefan: once again, you made my day! Cheers Yes, I believe this is correct. I placed my order last week . . . Nigel
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river6109		#5 Posted : 07 November 2012 16:21:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Thanks Stefan for letting us know. It will be interesting to find out whats what. 2 motors would mean the 2 locos have 4 motors, it must be packed in there, sound decoder, loudspeaker and 2 motors, I rather suspect they are not the 5 pole highefficiency motors but rather smaller DC motors so all the electronic can fit into it. but this is only speculation on my behalf, just have to wait and see. John
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RayF		#6 Posted : 07 November 2012 16:51:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		My SDS equipped croc (39563) has one SDS motor but it is mounted in one of the frames at one end. It would be easy to imagine another motor under the other end! They might have used the same chassis, with a small can motor instead of the SDS, and adding a second one at the other end to increase the power output.
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HARNO		#7 Posted : 07 November 2012 17:40:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/02/2012(UTC) Posts: 38 Location: New Boston		hello thats what they going to do. They put a motor in each front and end. They also put red tail lights on it according to some i read on german pages. i looked for a while to get me a "KROKO" and got me the one in the Marklin 28730 but now i think i going to add two more Arno
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steventrain		#8 Posted : 07 November 2012 20:18:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the news, Unholz.
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Bigdaddynz		#9 Posted : 07 November 2012 20:24:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Interesting news, thanks Stefan. Given that I've just brought the SDS Weathered brown Crocodile set, and have 3 green crocs, I'm not sure that I'll be buying these, but I'm still keen to see how they look.
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Jeremy Palmer		#10 Posted : 07 November 2012 20:49:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		hi Gents - NOT good news , thanks Stefan , Jeremy.
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vilithejou		#11 Posted : 07 November 2012 23:01:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Now with photo Neu Märklin Kroko
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danmarklinman		#12 Posted : 07 November 2012 23:05:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		Originally Posted by: Unholz It is currently being speculated in German forums that Marklin will issue a model of the first series SBB crocodiles which were so far offered by Roco in HO gauge (and by Marklin in O gauge): https://www.huenerbein.d...lpack-krokodile-vyp.html Sorry in case this has already been mentioned elsewhere. I wounder what the Insider loco will be, i had thought it might be one of these but not so!
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Jeremy Palmer		#13 Posted : 08 November 2012 00:13:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Here is what Marklin USA has to say IN FULL. "Hello Jeremy: Thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately, not all items that Marklin releases are available in the States. We do not have any information about the Krokodile in our system or from looking on Marklin's website. In this case, I would suggest contacting Marklin directly for information on this item. Their website is: www.marklin.com If this product is not introduced in The States - we would not have knowledge of it. I am sorry we couldn't be of more help. Best Regards Lucy M. Consumer Sales and Service Rep Wm. K. Walthers Inc. 5601 W Florist Ave Milwaukee, WI 53218"
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river6109		#14 Posted : 08 November 2012 01:06:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Hi all, I think for that price I'll skip it. the other important part is the weight of the loco otherwise 2 motors and rubbertyres will not make the difference and one 3ould have to ask the question, 2 series 39... croc may be as powerful as these. the amount of rubbertyres would make a difference as well, if it has 4 I doubt it if it has 8 we could see an improvement. Although these locos with 2 motors would be suited for my layout but how many layout are there out there who needs a croc with 2 motors, the current models are strong enough to pull a reasonable load or amount of carriages. As mentioned before, my Roco Croc outpulls the Märklin Loco, it has wrum gears to both bogy's. regards., John
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mike c		#15 Posted : 08 November 2012 03:26:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,245 Location: Montreal, QC		If the green one is as it appears in the photo, I'm out. I might have been interested in the model with only one door per side, like the following Roco model: http://www.roundhouse.ch...Roco-HO/Roco_63897-M.jpg Sorry, but no thanks. An Ae 4/7 based on the Ae 8/14 model would have been more interesting to me. Regards Mike C
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steventrain		#16 Posted : 08 November 2012 21:51:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: vilithejou Now with photo Neu Märklin Kroko Thanks for the link, Maybe more in 2013 new items.
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vilithejou		#17 Posted : 09 November 2012 09:02:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: vilithejou Now with photo Neu Märklin Kroko Thanks for the link, Maybe more in 2013 new items. I see that Modellbahn Bender put off the photo :-( Then:
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RayF		#18 Posted : 09 November 2012 09:26:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I'm just wondering why they would issue a new model as a double pack? This is a departure from the usual way, where double packs are generally produced at the end of the life of a model, presumably to get rid of existing stock. I would have thought a more interesting double pack would have contained one of each type, so that you can have both types of chassis.
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river6109		#19 Posted : 09 November 2012 12:24:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,879 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: mike c If the green one is as it appears in the photo, I'm out. I might have been interested in the model with only one door per side, like the following Roco model: http://www.roundhouse.ch...Roco-HO/Roco_63897-M.jpg Sorry, but no thanks. An Ae 4/7 based on the Ae 8/14 model would have been more interesting to me. Regards Mike C Same here, I had a Ae 4/7, bougth it off ebay but it wasn't in a great shape, so I restored it and sold it. John
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jeehring		#20 Posted : 09 November 2012 18:38:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		I don't find any translation of "Stangenantrieb mit Dreiecksschwinge"...It seems to be something about the transmisson ? (everywhere it is translated as "clavicule" in French....wich is unknown for me...)
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Sander van Wijk		#21 Posted : 09 November 2012 19:56:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Hi Jeehring, That "transmission" or linkage is actually the key difference between the "old" Märklin crocodile (Be 6/8) and the "new" Märklin crocodile (Ce 6/8). Without trying to explain the term, which I in fact cannot do as my English is somewhat limited, it refers to the triangular shape in the linkage between the wheels. As you may notice as soon as you compare pictures of the two different crocs and focus on the linkages of the new one, these are pointing in the opposite direction as in the older version. In that respect, this croc is indeed a new tooling and it is the defining difference between the two versions. Hopefully this answers your question. Regards,
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H0		#22 Posted : 09 November 2012 22:07:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Sander! Originally Posted by: Sander van Wijk That "transmission" or linkage is actually the key difference between the "old" Märklin crocodile (Be 6/8) and the "new" Märklin crocodile (Ce 6/8). The "new" models are Ce 6/8 II and Be 6/8 II - and both have the same transmission. The older H0 Märklin model is Ce 6/8 III or Be 6/8 III (representing the newer prototype loco). So Ce or Be indicates the changed permitted maximum speed (increased from 65 to 75 km/h). II or III indicates different prototype classes and different transmission systems (the newer prototype III has the simpler system; with the older class II they thought they needed the more complex transmission).
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Goofy		#23 Posted : 10 November 2012 07:44:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		With new tool there must been coreless motor like faulhaber motor this time. Inside of swiss croco model will been totally difference from old model anyway.
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H0		#24 Posted : 10 November 2012 09:31:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy With new tool there must been coreless motor like faulhaber motor this time. We should know about that when they officially present the new model in a brochure, catalogue, or their product database. Until then I expect it'll have some of those new "maintenance free" motors (but not coreless motors) like they use in BR E 17, BR 403/404, Thalys, and recent Big Boy.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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jeehring		#25 Posted : 10 November 2012 10:07:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Thank you Sander. I thought that the expression "Stangenantrieb mit Dreiecksschwingen " was about the internal transmission of the model, internal gears between motors and axles....Not of the prototype. But I was wrong.
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jeehring		#26 Posted : 10 November 2012 10:51:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: RayF (...). I would have thought a more interesting double pack would have contained one of each type, so that you can have both types of chassis. Ray, Marklin rarely makes double pack with 2 different generations of model....The overall aspect of the new model should be improved , with better engraving and/or finest details, could be also a better mechanics....because it highlights (or it doesn't...) the weaknesses of the previous model (if any), it's not ALWAYS a good deal to mix an old generation with a new generation . They did it once or two...I.E. : the P8 . But it was hidden behind the "raw metal" theme ...Also the new and the old were frankly different : 40 years between them. ...anyway, they did it, but so rarely.... Another reason could be purely "economical" : the use of one mould instead of two . New investments = must be profitable.... Originally Posted by: RayF I'm just wondering why they would issue a new model as a double pack? This is a departure from the usual way, where double packs are generally produced at the end of the life of a model, presumably to get rid of existing stock. . ...probably to target both, era2 enthusiasts + Era III enthusiasts... ...which is a way to produce more models too , less costs, etc...which was common with other manufacturers.... but some specificities of the production of metal models (and moulds) has often prevented Marklin to be as flexible as producers of plastic models. Perhaps this shows that Marklin improves their flexibility. They did it before, but so rarely tooo. (the SNCF model of CC 40100 was a kind of "sub-production" of the Belgian Série 18 . For Marklin, "Series 18"model was the "main stream" from which derived the production of the CC 40100 model.... in smaller quantities. In fact: the opposite of the genuine locomotive that was originally a machine for SNCF . )
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Guus		#27 Posted : 10 November 2012 11:37:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		In support of what Sander and Tom already explained, here's a link to a youtube video covering a "fitnessfahrt" of the Ce 6/8 II 14253 stationed at Erstfeld. You can clearly see how the older type of the drive mechanism functions. There are even some nice video stills of the triangular drive rod ( Dreiecksrahmen) and of the blind axle with the counterweight. Ce 6/8 II in operation. (clickable link) Edited by user 10 November 2012 16:39:06(UTC)  | Reason: Correct reference added
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pa-pauls		#28 Posted : 11 November 2012 15:17:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Nice double pack,,, The brown version = Era II and the green version = Era III ???
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Guus		#29 Posted : 11 November 2012 18:06:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Originally Posted by: pa-pauls Nice double pack,,, The brown version = Era II and the green version = Era III ??? Hi Pål, That's currently under investigation by numerous model railroaders, like in the HAG forum. From what I seem to understand at the moment, is that the green model should reflect Era III's livery. Albeit that at that time two of the four doors were already being welded closed during revisions and thus it would be highly likely there should be only two sets of yellow handrails instead of four like in the photo. The photo of the brown version isn't clear enough for me in order to discern whether the handrails are painted black or not, like it should for Era II. A good internet source for reference, as you may already know, is the highly appraised site of a Swiss train driver: Lokifahrer Hope this helps.
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Armando		#30 Posted : 17 November 2012 02:11:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Hello! Does anyone in Germany know whatever became of this announcement? Märklin issued their newest Web-News #186 today, and alas there is absolutely no information about this new crocodile set. Was this only a joke orchestrated by some "funny" dealer????
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vilithejou		#31 Posted : 17 November 2012 04:34:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: Armando Hello! Does anyone in Germany know whatever became of this announcement? Märklin issued their newest Web-News #186 today, and alas there is absolutely no information about this new crocodile set. Was this only a joke orchestrated by some "funny" dealer???? I hope they do the announcement on IMA Koln next weekend... My dealer accept orders and know the price
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NS1200		#32 Posted : 17 November 2012 10:19:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		According to some sources on the net the Croc set will be released in February/March 2013 only. As such i guess that M wish to keep their powder dry by making no announcements at this stage. Knowing M,release date could well be postponed to a later date. The leaflet with new items for 2013 will be publicated in January/February 2013,surely the new Crocs will show in there.
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vilithejou		#33 Posted : 17 November 2012 11:46:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: NS1200 According to some sources on the net the Croc set will be released in February/March 2013 only. As such i guess that M wish to keep their powder dry by making no announcements at this stage. Knowing M,release date could well be postponed to a later date. The leaflet with new items for 2013 will be publicated in January/February 2013,surely the new Crocs will show in there. But... if Märklin do annoucements at dealers of new item for frebaruary I think so they have to publish the new before Nuremberg Toy fair 2013... I repeat that next weekend we can see photos of the prototype of the krokos and next insider 2013
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NS1200		#34 Posted : 17 November 2012 11:58:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Surely the new Insider models will be shown at the IMA fair at Cologne next weekend. I go there by ICE,if i find the new Crocs there as well i will report on that. But hey guys,listen please:why getting overexcited about reworked M crocs having just the changed pushrod configuration as compared to the previous model? Perhaps there are other new items to be released which are more spectacular?
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Unholz		#35 Posted : 17 November 2012 13:06:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland		Originally Posted by: NS1200 But hey guys,listen please:why getting overexcited about reworked M crocs having just the changed pushrod configuration as compared to the previous model? Sorry, but it is not simply the pushrod configuration - actually the two locos are different types and can be distinguished immediately in various respects. Sure, both are crocodiles, but if you think that the announced models are just reworked varieties of the existing model(s), then you probably will also qualify oranges and lemons as identical just because both are fruits.
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jvuye		#36 Posted : 17 November 2012 14:36:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: Unholz Sorry, but it is not simply the pushrod configuration - actually the two locos are different types and can be distinguished immediately in various respects. Sure, both are crocodiles, but if you think that the announced models are just reworked varieties of the existing model(s), then you probably will also qualify oranges and lemons as identical just because both are fruits. Agreed Stefan! You are so right! Of course the Mountain-climbing-rail-reptilians are something hard to love for some .... But I have already made provisions to extend my Krok collection by at least two more units! Cheers
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NS1200		#37 Posted : 17 November 2012 16:14:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		The M catalogue number of the "new" Crocs is 37565. Guess what,the catalogue number of the previous green Croc is 3756. They are both green and both look like Crocs. If they would have looked liked oranges i would have noticed,thank you very muchie!
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Armando		#38 Posted : 17 November 2012 16:14:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: NS1200 But hey guys,listen please:why getting overexcited about reworked M crocs having just the changed pushrod configuration as compared to the previous model? Well, the announcement says "komplette Neukonstruktion". So, hopefully, some of the shortcomings of the current kroks will be addressed, like the fact that there are no interior details, but only a maze of cables can be seen in there! I also wished they corrected the design on how to open the models. At least on earlier models, this has been a nightmare!
		Best regards, Armando García
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vilithejou		#39 Posted : 17 November 2012 16:24:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: NS1200 The M catalogue number of the "new" Crocs is 37565. Guess what,the catalogue number of the previous green Croc is 3756. They are both green and both look like Crocs. If they would have looked liked oranges i would have noticed,thank you very muchie! The problem is that some numbers of 3756x are taken for example for the new insider lok BR56.3... But märklin do 37569 at the past.... The new kroko have a lot of versions like rangier version with only one panto a and different ends of loko... Hope we have all version in the next years...
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NS1200		#40 Posted : 18 November 2012 11:56:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		The strange bit about the whole issue is that the picture shown of the two new Crocs looks like typical Maerklin style publishing. So,either it comes from a leaflet or catalogue which has not yet been released for the general public or it is a very well constructed hoax.
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vilithejou		#41 Posted : 18 November 2012 12:06:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: NS1200 The strange bit about the whole issue is that the picture shown of the two new Crocs looks like typical Maerklin style publishing. So,either it comes from a leaflet or catalogue which has not yet been released for the general public or it is a very well constructed hoax. Marklin send to dealers an official new of these nice loks My dealer in Barcelona accept ordrs and have price of the article...
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NS1200		#42 Posted : 18 November 2012 12:40:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		On various German websites the Crocs from set 37565 can be purchased separately: 37565-1 in green and 37565-2 in brown.
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TomB		#43 Posted : 18 November 2012 14:35:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		I don't think I can or will resist this temptation ! I have been waiting for a full-sound croco but could not decide if I wanted a green or a brown one ........... http://www.modellbahn-bender.de/nov12/kroko.jpg
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hxmiesa		#44 Posted : 20 November 2012 09:53:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,600 Location: Spain		Very interesting model. "Unfortunatly" I already have the Roco version, so I´ll spend the thousand bucks on other things... ;-)
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TomB		#45 Posted : 20 November 2012 15:16:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		Originally Posted by: TomB I don't think I can or will resist this temptation ! I have preordered the 2 crocos. Probable delivery 1. March 2013. I got a nice price, 200 Euros off - 699,90 Euro, 19% MWSt. included. Edited by user 12 January 2013 11:04:39(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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MarioFabro		#46 Posted : 20 November 2012 16:23:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Originally Posted by: TomB Originally Posted by: TomB I have preordered the 2 crocos. Probable delivery 1. March 2013. I got a nice price, 200 Euros off. Where did you get it from? I will probably wait until lokshop or ets carries it
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Goofy		#47 Posted : 20 November 2012 18:48:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy With new tool there must been coreless motor like faulhaber motor this time. We should know about that when they officially present the new model in a brochure, catalogue, or their product database. Until then I expect it'll have some of those new "maintenance free" motors (but not coreless motors) like they use in BR E 17, BR 403/404, Thalys, and recent Big Boy. Coreless motor is maintenance free motor. Like faulhaber.
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Goofy		#48 Posted : 20 November 2012 18:49:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,292		Why is there no information about 2 rail crocodile from Trix...?
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Armando		#49 Posted : 20 November 2012 21:28:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Very interesting model. "Unfortunatly" I already have the Roco version, so I´ll spend the thousand bucks on other things... ;-) Hi However, the comparison between the Roco model (with no sounds, no Swiss headlight change-over, plastic body, etc.) to these new all-metal, with sounds Märklin model would be like comparing CocaCola to Champagne (Like the nasty Maria Callas once said...). So, you'd better start saving.... Cheers!
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steventrain		#50 Posted : 20 November 2012 22:07:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Goofy Why is there no information about 2 rail crocodile from Trix...? Don't know but wait till 2013.
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