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charles Sharpe		#1 Posted : 21 September 2012 18:42:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello. I think I am in need of some help please. My cs2 is dead I was using it as normal this morning and I just pressed the stop bar as I went and had some lunch. When I came back the CS 2 was dead when I say dead the screen is live but everything is dead. If you turn a speed control the needle goes around the dial put the green speed bar does not move. Also the cs has been on for 1 min you a small clonck and the booster trips out. I have gone back to basics and just had the track connected and still no joy. We have put a tester on the track outlet and there is no power coming out to the track cable. I am also getting this coming up on the screen is There is no track format processor available and you cannot run locomotives and control solenoid accessories with this unit. Does this mean it is back to Marklin for repair. Charles
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H0		#2 Posted : 21 September 2012 19:29:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Charles, Did you shut the CS2 down after lunch? If not, shut it down, disconnect power, wait at least 10 seconds, connect power again and see if it works now. If it still does not give track power, then it probably needs repair.
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charles Sharpe		#3 Posted : 21 September 2012 19:49:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello Tom. I have shut it down 3 times a left for some time and then gone back to it turned it on and I get the same message and no power to the track/ Charles.
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tulit		#4 Posted : 21 September 2012 19:54:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 400		Is there any power to the programming track or is it dead too?
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Webmaster		#5 Posted : 21 September 2012 19:56:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Did you also pull the mains power plug as Tom suggested? If not, give it one more try...
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charles Sharpe		#6 Posted : 21 September 2012 20:05:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: tulit Is there any power to the programming track or is it dead too? Hello. Yes that was the last test I did the program track is also dead.
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charles Sharpe		#7 Posted : 21 September 2012 20:10:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Did you also pull the mains power plug as Tom suggested? If not, give it one more try... Hello. Juhan. No that I didn't do. I just switch the the power off at the mains socket waited some time and them switched it back on again. I will give that a try in the morning. Charles.
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Webmaster		#8 Posted : 21 September 2012 20:14:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Well, switching off at the mains socket should have the same effect as pulling the plug... No loose wire to the track connections? Try to disconnect & reconnect the track power connections.
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steventrain		#9 Posted : 21 September 2012 20:19:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		It could be the transformer with plug socket? I have one 60052 transformer dead few years ago.
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tulit		#10 Posted : 21 September 2012 20:24:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 400		You mention too that the booster makes a clunk noise. I assume you've tried a setup without the booster? ie bare down to just the CS2 + transformer + a piece of track?
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charles Sharpe		#11 Posted : 21 September 2012 21:14:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Well, switching off at the mains socket should have the same effect as pulling the plug... No loose wire to the track connections? Try to disconnect & reconnect the track power connections. Hello Juhan. I have tried that. Charles.
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charles Sharpe		#12 Posted : 21 September 2012 21:16:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: tulit You mention too that the booster makes a clunk noise. I assume you've tried a setup without the booster? ie bare down to just the CS2 + transformer + a piece of track? Hello. I have tried it without the booster I have tried it with a new booster I have and I have tried it with a new piece of c track and I still get the same. Charles.
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charles Sharpe		#13 Posted : 21 September 2012 21:18:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: steventrain It could be the transformer with plug socket? I have one 60052 transformer dead few years ago. Hello Steven. I have a spare transformer the same as the one in use I will give that a go in the morning. Charles.
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Dave Banks		#14 Posted : 21 September 2012 22:20:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,026 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Hello Charles, this happened to me. However mine died due to my loco creating a short circuit on the track. I tried all that you have just done. Everything showed it worked on the unit but there was Zero track power. (Check your power voltage on the information screen). I had to send it back to Marklin & they were very good & replaced it for me with a brand new unit. I had to pay the postage fees for it to go to Germany. Took two months & I got it back. I promptly sold it as a brand new unit & got an ESU Ecos 50200 & have never looked back. I do hope you manage to get it up & going again & not go through what I went through. The topic I had when mine stopped working was: "CS2 has done a dirty on me" by daveb
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charles Sharpe		#15 Posted : 22 September 2012 07:49:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: DaveB Hello Charles, this happened to me. However mine died due to my loco creating a short circuit on the track. I tried all that you have just done. Everything showed it worked on the unit but there was Zero track power. (Check your power voltage on the information screen). I had to send it back to Marklin & they were very good & replaced it for me with a brand new unit. I had to pay the postage fees for it to go to Germany. Took two months & I got it back. I promptly sold it as a brand new unit & got an ESU Ecos 50200 & have never looked back. I do hope you manage to get it up & going again & not go through what I went through. The topic I had when mine stopped working was: "CS2 has done a dirty on me" by daveb Hello David. Did you send it back to the shop you bought it from or did you send it direct ti Marklin. Charles.
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Goofy		#16 Posted : 22 September 2012 09:53:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,020		Hi Charles! Can you smell after if there is burned on the CS2...? If you can feel it smell burn...then in case yours CS2 must been repair. I think there is an burn up connecting inside of CS2.
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charles Sharpe		#17 Posted : 22 September 2012 10:17:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: Goofy Hi Charles! Can you smell after if there is burned on the CS2...? If you can feel it smell burn...then in case yours CS2 must been repair. I think there is an burn up connecting inside of CS2. Hello. No I am unable to smell burning. I have tried all the the suggestions all you good People have surgested but still track dead. Charles
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Dave Banks		#18 Posted : 22 September 2012 10:45:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,026 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Hello Charles, I sent it direct to the Marklin Factory. I included a copy of the invoice from the German dealer whom I bought it from. The Dealer instructed me to send it directly to save a lot of time & hassle. The Marklin # 60214 was still under warranty at the time. Cost me over AUD100.00 at the time in postage fees.
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tulit		#19 Posted : 22 September 2012 15:46:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 400		One last idea to try. Have you ever made a backup of your settings? Could you try restoring the backup? I wonder if it might be a setting, somewhere, that got set off.
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charles Sharpe		#20 Posted : 22 September 2012 18:29:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello. I made a back up which is on a USB stick. I gave it a couple of goes but no luck. I have taken a photo of each of the 7 pages I have used for my turnouts etc just in case there have to wipe it clean and start again. I can print the pageas out and use to put them all back in. Charles.
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charles Sharpe		#21 Posted : 01 October 2012 14:13:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello. I sent the unit on a 3 day delivery and it is in the marklin service dept right know. I hope to get a estimate in the next 2 weeks. This week I am doing a large exhibition in Norwich in Norfolk and next week Jill is taking me away for a few days as my health has taken a turn for the worst. Charles
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charles Sharpe		#22 Posted : 03 October 2012 05:48:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Just had a e mail from marklin service dept to say they have received the unit and it is in the system. That is one good bit of news Charles.
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Bigdaddynz		#23 Posted : 03 October 2012 10:25:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Hi Charles, I hope you and your CS2 are restored back to full health as soon as possible!
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Webmaster		#24 Posted : 03 October 2012 21:20:04(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#25 Posted : 03 October 2012 22:06:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Let's hope they also find it to be a warranty/production fault issue and do the repair under warranty or goodwill... Are you referring to Charles or the CS2?? (CS2 I assume!)
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charles Sharpe		#26 Posted : 04 October 2012 03:26:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Webmaster Let's hope they also find it to be a warranty/production fault issue and do the repair under warranty or goodwill... Are you referring to Charles or the CS2?? (CS2 I assume!) Ha Ha I like that. the unit is just 4 years old. If they do it under good will it will be a first for me. Charles. Edited by user 04 October 2012 23:15:39(UTC)  | Reason: Spelling
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charles Sharpe		#27 Posted : 13 October 2012 05:16:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hi Everbody. Just a quick update on the dead cs2. I made a quick phone call to the service dept of Marklin and the lady told me I should have a report/costing on the unit by the end of next week. Charles.
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Dave Banks		#28 Posted : 14 October 2012 07:17:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,026 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Hi Charles, what happened to your unit happened to mine so it is a know fact that the units have an inherent fault. You should not really have to bear the cost of the repair if Marklin has any conscience. Fingers crossed your up for postage only Charles.
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charles Sharpe		#29 Posted : 14 October 2012 19:04:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Originally Posted by: DaveB Hi Charles, what happened to your unit happened to mine so it is a know fact that the units have an inherent fault. You should not really have to bear the cost of the repair if Marklin has any conscience. Fingers crossed your up for postage only Charles. Many thanks for that. I will keep my fingers crossed. Charles.
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charles Sharpe		#30 Posted : 22 October 2012 18:29:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello All. Having sent a e mail last thursday to the service dept of Marklin to see if they had any news for me about the CS2. They came back to me on friday to say it had been fixed and it would be shipped very soon. They had to replace the scratch pad memory. the best bit of it all is they have done it free of charge. I am well pleased. Charles.
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Danlake		#31 Posted : 22 October 2012 18:39:32(UTC) Retweet
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steventrain		#32 Posted : 22 October 2012 18:47:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		That is great news, Charles.
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pa-pauls		#33 Posted : 22 October 2012 18:53:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,841 Location: Norway		Great news Charles ! I hope you have also been better / recovered
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jeehring		#34 Posted : 22 October 2012 19:05:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: charles Sharpe Hello All. Having sent a e mail last thursday to the service dept of Marklin to see if they had any news for me about the CS2. They came back to me on friday to say it had been fixed and it would be shipped very soon. They had to replace the scratch pad memory. the best bit of it all is they have done it free of charge. I am well pleased. Charles. Congratulations ! Good news ! BTW : what is exactly a "scratch pad memory" : a connector, a card, a memory stick, or....? ...what is it for ?
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Webmaster		#35 Posted : 22 October 2012 20:45:12(UTC) Retweet
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JohnjeanB		#36 Posted : 22 October 2012 21:35:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,130 Location: Paris, France		Hi Charles This is great news and I know how you feel because it happened to me 18 month ago: dead CS2 refusing connections with S88. Same result for me: M fixed the problem free of charge. I know why I like Märklin. The best that could happen to you would be a CS2 with galvanic separation allowing you to enjoy the full 5A and increased processing power of new units. Cheers Jean
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Bigdaddynz		#37 Posted : 22 October 2012 21:58:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Remember, Google is your friend regarding finding unknown knowledge... Absolutely! That's what I keep telling people. I'd be lost in my job without Google! Glad to hear that the CS2 has been fixed Charles.
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charles Sharpe		#38 Posted : 26 October 2012 18:19:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello All. My CS2 came bad today that's the good news all layout pages are there all the routes are all ok. All the turnouts work ok. Now for the bad news all the signals are set on green and not working. I thought it was to good to be true. I have tried to do a reboot but no good. I did do a back up on a USB stick before it was sent away. I have tried that but it just comes up to say file in a box but I am unable to do anything. It is just not seeing the update on the stick. I just do not understant because the code is in the signal not the CS. I they had given me a new unit all I had to do was to but the right image in the right place on the page and it should work. Any thoughts on what I can do.
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French_Fabrice		#39 Posted : 26 October 2012 19:31:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,476 Location: Lyon, France		Hello Charles, Sad news... Just a shot in the dark: Check the protocol for the signals (MM vs DCC) in case it's not set correctly... Cheers Fabrice
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charles Sharpe		#40 Posted : 26 October 2012 20:28:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello Fabrice. How do I check that function I have never had to do that. Charles.
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Bigdaddynz		#41 Posted : 26 October 2012 21:16:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		You edit the definition/settings for each signal, and in the settings you have an option of which protocol you use - MM or DCC (should be MM for you).
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charles Sharpe		#42 Posted : 27 October 2012 19:57:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello All I have checked it the edit dept and it is telling me that it is set to MM2/ And it is on 8 for the decoding switches/ The address is set to 81 which is correct/ k83 output 1/ Type colour signal HPO1/1/ Name 81/ Switching duration 250 msec. The bit I do not understand is the k83 bit. There is no k83 anywhere on that section of the layout. All the signals were programmed on the track and are wired to the track as per instructions. I am at a lose as what the problem. Can anyone help me. Charles. Edited by user 28 October 2012 07:50:57(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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charles Sharpe		#43 Posted : 29 October 2012 08:04:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		I have tried to use the back up that I did on a USB stick before the CS went away. When I plug it in and tick the usb section it just comes up with the name file . I have plugged into my main computer in the house and the back up is on the stick. I have know run out of ideas. It looks like I am going to dig up 10 lots of track to reprogram then again. This will be the last time if they fail to work do to the CS I will cut all the wires and leave them in but not working. I hope to start to work on them tomorrow with my friend and I have to say it will be SAD day if the is one thing that I hate is redoing something again. Charles.
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Goofy		#44 Posted : 29 October 2012 19:14:42(UTC) Retweet
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charles Sharpe		#45 Posted : 29 October 2012 20:12:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello Anders. I am useing the 76391 signals. As I say there is no k83 on tha level so how can they have anything to do with them. Charles.
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H0		#46 Posted : 29 October 2012 21:31:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Charles! Originally Posted by: charles Sharpe The bit I do not understand is the k83 bit. The new signals have a built-in decoder that behave just like a k83, they speak the same language. For the CS2 it makes no difference whether you have an old 7039 signal with a k83 or a new 76xxx signal with built-in decoder. I think there is nothing wrong with the k83 bit.
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JohnjeanB		#47 Posted : 29 October 2012 22:27:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,130 Location: Paris, France		Hello Charles Just a shoot in the dark: Is there a chance that red and green wires from the CS2 are mixed? In this case, the K83 (May be also the new signal with built-in decoders) would not understand the orders sent by the CS2. This is certainly not a big problem (may be an aggravating one ? Cheers Jean
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charles Sharpe		#48 Posted : 29 October 2012 23:16:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Hello Jean. What do mean by the red and green wires. We're do come from and were do they go to. Charles.
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Bigdaddynz		#49 Posted : 29 October 2012 23:20:39(UTC) Retweet
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charles Sharpe		#50 Posted : 30 October 2012 06:25:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,432 Location: NORFOLK UK		Track wires must be the right way round as all my turnouts work ok. Charles.
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