Märklin mfx decoder replaced by ESU LokPilot V4.0 DCC Share  Email this topic  LinkBack Topic URL  Retweet this Topic  Share Topic on Google+  Like this Topic  Share on Facebook  Digg this Topic  Reddit this Topic  Share on Tumblr Options  Watch this topic  Print this topic View » Normal Threaded

Previous Topic Next Topic

DRG		#1 Posted : 02 August 2012 19:53:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: Schweinfurt,Germany		Hi, I have replaced the Märklin mfx decoder of the BR042 ( 73926 ) by an ESU LokPilot V4.0 DCC. This is my first Märklin Loco where I replaced the decoder. I also adapted the settings of the LokPilot according to the ESU manual. Is there anybody on this forum who also build in an ESU LokPilot DCC in the BR042 ? If yes,I would like to know which settings you have choosed for comparison. Greetings DRG
		By the end of september 2014 the US Army will leave Schweinfurt after almost seventy years. This is a very sad news. a salute to Schweinfurt http://www.schweinfurt.army.mil/infovault/salute.html
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

	Wish to join the discussion?! Login to your marklin-users.net community | Forum accountor Register a new forum account. Or Connect via Facebook

river6109		#2 Posted : 04 August 2012 13:41:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,873 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		drg I assume you'rer talking about HOalthoughthe number 73926 seems to be unusal, besides this what type of motor has the loco and again I assume it has a 5 pole highefficiency motor. My settings are done via Lokprogrammer and I have to ahve a look what the settings are (CV's) regards., John
		https://www.youtube.com/river6109 https://www.youtube.com/6109river 5 years in Destruction mode 50 years in Repairing mode
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

H0		#3 Posted : 04 August 2012 15:20:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,433 Location: DE-NW		The number probably is 37926 - and it has a motor with bell-shaped armature.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

DRG		#4 Posted : 04 August 2012 15:25:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: Schweinfurt,Germany		Quote: number 73926 seems to be unusal,... John, 73926 is the item number of the loco. Quote: ...what type of motor has the loco The loco has a high-efficiency propulsion with a bell-shaped armature. Quote: …..and I have to ahve a look what the settings are (CV's) That would be very nice! I am interested in your settings of the following CV´s: 51;52;53;54;55;56 DRG
		By the end of september 2014 the US Army will leave Schweinfurt after almost seventy years. This is a very sad news. a salute to Schweinfurt http://www.schweinfurt.army.mil/infovault/salute.html
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

NZMarklinist		#5 Posted : 16 August 2012 02:43:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: H0 The number probably is 37926 - and it has a motor with bell-shaped armature. Tom, John, A simple check of the Marklin products searcher, shows that inspite of the owners insistance or dislexia it indeed would be 37926 as this is the version ohne sounds & why would he change a sound one Hopefully he bought the Lok cheap enough to make the upgrade worthwhile Please excuse me Mr DRG
		Glen Auckland NZ " Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok ! CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

RayF		#6 Posted : 16 August 2012 08:52:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi DRG, I would be interested to know why you needed to change the decoder. Were you not happy with the performance of the loco? Was it defective? If so, how soon did it fail? I often hear about Marklin decoders being changed to ESU in the process of upgrading to sound, but in this case you seem to have changed a decoder for an equivalent ESU one with less capability (no MFX). Please let us know what led you make the decision to change the decoder, and why specifically for a Lokpilot V4. Thanks.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

H0		#7 Posted : 16 August 2012 10:26:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,433 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Ray! Originally Posted by: RayF but in this case you seem to have changed a decoder for an equivalent ESU one with less capability (no MFX). Neither mfx nor MM. Just DCC. Different capability, more options (probably not need for this loco), probably better performance. Hi, DRG, Did you try the automatic motor configuration of the ESU decoder? ESU LoPi V4 has it and I presume the DCC only version also has it. I tried it on a Trix loco and performance is pretty good. Some say values will improve if you run the auto configuration several times. This will give you some values you can compare to the default settings from the manual.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

DRG		#8 Posted : 16 August 2012 17:17:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: Schweinfurt,Germany		Originally Posted by: RayF Hi DRG, I would be interested to know why you needed to change the decoder. Hi Ray, I will make it short! RailCom +
		By the end of september 2014 the US Army will leave Schweinfurt after almost seventy years. This is a very sad news. a salute to Schweinfurt http://www.schweinfurt.army.mil/infovault/salute.html
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

RayF		#9 Posted : 16 August 2012 19:22:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: DRG Originally Posted by: RayF Hi DRG, I would be interested to know why you needed to change the decoder. Hi Ray, I will make it short! RailCom + Thanks, DRG. I guess if Railcom+ is what you want then you have no choice but to change the decoder. I always have doubts about ripping apart a perfectly working brand new locomotive. I guess you're braver than I am!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

NZMarklinist		#10 Posted : 18 August 2012 03:52:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: DRG Originally Posted by: RayF Hi DRG, I would be interested to know why you needed to change the decoder. Hi Ray, I will make it short! RailCom + Thanks, DRG. I guess if Railcom+ is what you want then you have no choice but to change the decoder. I always have doubts about ripping apart a perfectly working brand new locomotive. I guess you're braver than I am! Hi Ray, DRG, The only thing necessary is removing the Tender body and unplugging the factory 21 pin decoder and replacing it with the ESU V4 21 pin decoder, unless you did something different DRG and what Control Station do you use DRG ?? please enlighten us !
		Glen Auckland NZ " Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok ! CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

H0		#11 Posted : 18 August 2012 10:19:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,433 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist and what Control Station do you use DRG? Good question. In February 2011 it was a CS2. BTW: Märklin decoder out and ESU decoder in does not work for all locos with MTC21 interface - works only for simple locos that don't use AUX3 or AUX4. DRG, did you compare the CV values from the manual with those set by the auto configuration of the decoder? The Trix BR 042 should have the same motor, so maybe owners of the Trix model can also provide CV values for this loco.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
1 user liked this useful post by H0		GSRR
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

DRG		#12 Posted : 18 August 2012 11:09:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: Schweinfurt,Germany		Glen: Quote: ....and what Control Station do you use DRG ?? please enlighten us ! I´m using ESU ECoS 2. By the way,I know that it´s no problem replacing the Decoder of the Märklin BR042. Tom: Quote: DRG, did you compare the CV values from the manual with those set by the auto configuration of the decoder? Not yet!
		By the end of september 2014 the US Army will leave Schweinfurt after almost seventy years. This is a very sad news. a salute to Schweinfurt http://www.schweinfurt.army.mil/infovault/salute.html
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

NZMarklinist		#13 Posted : 20 August 2012 11:57:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: DRG Glen: Quote: ....and what Control Station do you use DRG ?? please enlighten us ! I´m using ESU ECoS 2. By the way,I know that it´s no problem replacing the Decoder of the Märklin BR042. Tom: Quote: DRG, did you compare the CV values from the manual with those set by the auto configuration of the decoder? Not yet! Hi DRG, Good choice of Controller What you could have done before removing the old decoder, and you could place it back in your Lok, if you don't be chance have an ESU decoder test stand, is to read the CV's of the original decoder, then write those to the new decoder as well, usually always gets you off to a good start when changing decoders I'll have to give credit to friend Dennis, list member, drwhittle for that tip He does all my conversions and upgrades
		Glen Auckland NZ " Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok ! CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

H0		#14 Posted : 20 August 2012 15:29:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,433 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist What you could have done before removing the old decoder, [...] is to read the CV's of the original decoder, then write those to the new decoder as well, usually always gets you off to a good start when changing decoders May work when replacing an ESU decoder with an ESU decoder. But the new Märklin decoders have a motor type CV that cannot be found on ESU decoders while new ESU decoders have advanced load regulations CVs that cannot be found on Märklin decoders.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Users browsing this topic

Guest