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Artologic		#1 Posted : 26 July 2012 17:37:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hello Everyone, I have this very nice br74 loco (36740), that is until you run it... It struggles to pull 2 3axle umbau and 2 donnerbuschen on a flat r1 track. Am I the only one experiencing this? Short said: do they all pull so badly and did anyone find a cure in that case? Or what should it be able to pull? Kristof
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RayF		#2 Posted : 26 July 2012 18:59:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Kristof, I have a 36741 on my layout at the moment, which is identical mechanically, and it's not having any trouble pulling 6 freight wagons. I also had it pulling 6 3-axle coaches with no signs of any problem.
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Artologic		#3 Posted : 26 July 2012 19:23:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Ray, Thanks for the reply! That s a very clear answer, do you have any hills or climbs for this train on your layout where it runs on? In any case, I wonder what is wrong with this engine then... Kristof
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RayF		#4 Posted : 27 July 2012 01:00:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Artologic Hey Ray, Thanks for the reply! That s a very clear answer, do you have any hills or climbs for this train on your layout where it runs on? In any case, I wonder what is wrong with this engine then... Kristof No, no hills, but plenty of R1 curves. How does yours struggle? Do the wheels slip, or does the motor stall? Are any of your coaches dragging a seized axle? Are they fitted with sliders for lighting sets? It's difficult to know where the problem lies without a bit more information. I can try to replicate the exact train that you have behind my loco, and see if does any different. I've also got some spare tracks I can set up on the floor and I can put in a bit of slope, to see if mine has trouble with grades.
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SNAFU		#5 Posted : 27 July 2012 08:09:31(UTC) Retweet
You have been a member since:: 08/01/2008(UTC) Posts: 279 Location: Naracoorte, South Austrlia		Hi Kristoff Have you checked the traction tyres on the drive wheels?
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Artologic		#6 Posted : 27 July 2012 09:01:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		@Ray: The motor is runs fine in every case, the loco just starts to slip. It has that on r1 curves, bend switches... I cleaned all the tracks by hand, so they are not full of oil. The carriages are 4317 & 4319 and 2 donnerbuschen. They don t have any sliders and they all run ok (or they feel like it when i push them by hand). What do you mean by a seized axle? It would be nice if you could replicate the same situation, altough your 3 axle carriages would run the same as the 4317 & 4319 I think. The grade test would be great too :-) @Tony: The traction tyres are present and look clean. I got the loco in a trade so I don t know what happened with it. Still it s a fairly recent loco, could they already be worn out? Thanks for the help so far! Kristof
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RayF		#7 Posted : 27 July 2012 10:07:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Artologic @Ray: The motor is runs fine in every case, the loco just starts to slip. It has that on r1 curves, bend switches... I cleaned all the tracks by hand, so they are not full of oil. The carriages are 4317 & 4319 and 2 donnerbuschen. They don t have any sliders and they all run ok (or they feel like it when i push them by hand). What do you mean by a seized axle? It would be nice if you could replicate the same situation, altough your 3 axle carriages would run the same as the 4317 & 4319 I think. The grade test would be great too :-) @Tony: The traction tyres are present and look clean. I got the loco in a trade so I don t know what happened with it. Still it s a fairly recent loco, could they already be worn out? Thanks for the help so far! Kristof Hi Kristof, By "seized axle" I mean one that doesn't turn, or turns very stiffly. They should all spin freely. I have just conducted a test with my 36741 pulling 3 3-axle umbauwagen, and 6 donnerbuschen. At this point there was a small amount of wheelslip as the loco went over a turnout just after a 180 degree R1 curve, but it immediately found grip again and carried on. Here is a video I made of the loco pulling these 9 coaches. The slight hesitation in this video is actually caused by a dirty spot on the track. The loco's wheels did not spin in this case.
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Artologic		#8 Posted : 27 July 2012 10:13:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Ray, Thanks for making the movie! I checked it over once more, but no stuck wheels. That looks very nice indeed, I wish mine ran like that. Here I would be more then happy when she would pull 4 carriages without slipping. Kristof
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steventrain		#9 Posted : 27 July 2012 21:40:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,709 Location: United Kingdom		I have the 36740 and run will with pulling five wagons or three six-wheels coaches. It is value for money and I am happy with it.
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pa-pauls		#10 Posted : 27 July 2012 22:08:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hi Kristof, Maybe one of the plastic gears are loose on their axle ? Maybe one of the wheels (with traction) is loose on their axle ? Just a thought
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river6109		#11 Posted : 27 July 2012 22:31:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,881 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Kristof, All traction tyres look nice if they are still on the wheel, this doesn't mean they are ok, What you have to do is get a small screwdriver and see if the traction tyre is loose or yuo can move it. Going into all these option your best bet is replace them with new ones and make sure the wheel groove is clean. All your trouble will be over John
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Artologic		#12 Posted : 31 July 2012 08:48:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Everyone, Thanks for the replies! @Steven: If I could make her to pull that, I would be very happy as well :-) @Pa-Pauls: I ll check on that, you never know, right? @John: Thanks for the tip, I tought it wasn t nessasary because it was a quite recent loco. I ll be ordering those parts, as soon as the marklin parts are coming back up on the marklin site. Kristof
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Artologic		#13 Posted : 31 July 2012 18:50:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hello Everyone, A quick question, it seems that marklin changed their traction tyre number from 129408 to 7153, but those seem awfully small, can anyone confirm if those are the right traction tyres? Or did they make a mistake? Kristof
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Artologic		#14 Posted : 01 August 2012 14:34:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		I tried the 7153 today, just like i tought, too thick and too small in size. And the originals are nowhere to be found on the marklin site. Any suggestions anyone? Kristof
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RayF		#15 Posted : 01 August 2012 14:43:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi kristof, My loco quotes # 149328 for the tyres, but this also seems to be not produced any more. 7153 is the tyre for the older model of the Br74, which presumably has the same size wheels. Are you sure they won't stretch over the wheel? I've changed some tyres in the past where I've really had to apply force to get the tyre to fit.
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Artologic		#16 Posted : 01 August 2012 20:01:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Ray, If I input your number in the marklin database, I don t get the tyres, but the treibrad (the wheels). I know that it indeed is the number of the old br24 and 74 (I have those pretty ladies too :-)). I tried (I had for starters a real hard time to unscrew the bolt on the wheel, marklins screwdrivers don t seem to work...) to pull it over but it s almost double as thick and lots smaller then the wheelsize. Marklin just changed the number this week, from the old number to the 7153 :-(. I would try again or with another size tyre, if the height of the tyre wouldn t be twice as much as well... The wheelsize of the old loco s is also a bit smaller then the new wheels. Kristof Ps: I m getting dissapointed by marklin spares service lately, this isn t the first time a part that needs replacing isn t avaiable anymore or for a very long time. Even the normal wear out parts...
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RayF		#17 Posted : 01 August 2012 22:43:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Kristof, the time may have come for an email to the Marklin service centre. I have just been in correspondence with them over a spare part for my Br34. I had broken the coupling bar that links the loco to the tender in January. The part was red in the database, and when I originally contacted them they told me to try again in March. This week I contacted them again, as the spare part was still showing red, and they gave me another number to order, which is now in stock again. Hopefully I will get this part sorted soon, but it has been more than half a year so far. BTW, sorry, I gave you the wrong number for the tyre. I read the wrong line on my spare parts sheet!
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Artologic		#18 Posted : 02 August 2012 09:35:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Ray, I sent an email this morning :-). Hopefully they know something useful for something as simple as these traction tyres... Like you said, I also know the trick of using other fitting parts... I still think it s sad we have to do it this way... Anyhow I hope I have an answer soon and you get your part quickly... Kristof Ps: Don t worry about it... Here we say: If you don t do anything, you can t miss...
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Artologic		#19 Posted : 03 August 2012 21:56:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Thinking about possible alternatives, wouldn t roco br74 tyres fit? Kristof
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H0		#20 Posted : 03 August 2012 22:19:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		I just checked the spare parts list online: traction tyres are E129408 (sold as a pack of 20, but currently not available). Twice as expensive as the 715x traction tyres ... Always add a leading E if the old number does not work any more (and always check how many you get).
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RayF		#21 Posted : 03 August 2012 22:59:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		There you go, Kristof! Your email must have got them to look at the parts list and they realised that they had the wrong number in there! Tom, until a day or so ago that parts list said 7153 for the traction tyres, now it says E129408.
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H0		#22 Posted : 03 August 2012 23:25:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		The PDF from 09.09.09 reads 129408. Maybe they messed up their database in between.
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RayF		#23 Posted : 04 August 2012 01:06:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 The PDF from 09.09.09 reads 129408. Maybe they messed up their database in between. Yes, very likely!
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Artologic		#24 Posted : 04 August 2012 09:09:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Ray & Tom, This week they stripped all their spart lists (just on the moment I wanted to order), and I guess it indeed must have gone wrong at that point. Before that the number was right and after is the number (even with e) wasn t to be found in their spare part lookup box anymore. @Tom: that they are double as expensive must be right, there are double the tyres in it too :-). Still keeps the issue that they aren t able to deliver them :-( Kristof
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H0		#25 Posted : 04 August 2012 10:15:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		10 standard tyres are € 3.49 while 20 special tyres for BR 74 are € 15.00. Four times as much for the double amount, twice as much per tyre.
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RayF		#26 Posted : 04 August 2012 10:19:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Artologic Hey Ray & Tom, This week they stripped all their spart lists (just on the moment I wanted to order), and I guess it indeed must have gone wrong at that point. Before that the number was right and after is the number (even with e) wasn t to be found in their spare part lookup box anymore. @Tom: that they are double as expensive must be right, there are double the tyres in it too :-). Still keeps the issue that they aren t able to deliver them :-( Kristof Kristof, don't worry. Red light in the spares list means that they are not available at this time, but will be available in the future. A little bit of patience will be rewarded. I had to wait for the spare part for my Br34 for a few months, but it's now available at last.
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RayF		#27 Posted : 04 August 2012 10:21:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 10 standard tyres are € 3.49 while 20 special tyres for BR 74 are € 15.00. Four times as much for the double amount, twice as much per tyre. I would expect this to be the case for a non-standard tyre.
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Artologic		#28 Posted : 04 August 2012 10:33:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Tom: I misunderstood what you meant then :-). @Ray: I won t mind paying a bit more, as long as it s deliverable. But I ll wait for them. At least I found a fitting lightbar for my br03, which has only 1 light for about a year. Kristof Ps: Ray: isn t red mean t it won t be back soon and yellow it will be out between now and a few months?
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H0		#29 Posted : 04 August 2012 11:57:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Different colour codes for spare parts: green: on stock; yellow: few on stock; red: not on stock, but coming back; grey: gone for good. Even standard parts like sliders, brushes, standard tyres (715x) can be on code red for months.
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NZMarklinist		#30 Posted : 05 August 2012 16:50:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Hello Kristof, Sorry to read you are having some trouble with your Klass 74 consist. One other problem you could look out for is with your 4317 & 4319 wagens. Does the middle axle carrier slide freely from side to side, if they don't it could cause resistance on curves. I have learned from a Marklinist friend this can be a real problem with M 3axle wagens and have not bought any because of this. Their other big problem is derailing when backing or pushing over diverging turnouts. The said friend removed the centre axle carrier from his coaches because of this
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RayF		#31 Posted : 05 August 2012 18:19:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Hello Kristof, Sorry to read you are having some trouble with your Klass 74 consist. One other problem you could look out for is with your 4317 & 4319 wagens. Does the middle axle carrier slide freely from side to side, if they don't it could cause resistance on curves. I have learned from a Marklinist friend this can be a real problem with M 3axle wagens and have not bought any because of this. Their other big problem is derailing when backing or pushing over diverging turnouts. The said friend removed the centre axle carrier from his coaches because of this Really? I've had Marklin 3 axle coaches for many years and never had a problem! I've run them on M Track and more recently on C Track. I have R1 curves and curved turnouts. I think your friend might need to take more care over his track laying!
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Artologic		#32 Posted : 07 August 2012 08:14:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Tom, I tough red ment, forget about it, thanks for the heads up! I ll wait for them to become avaiable! @ Glen & Ray, No problem here either with those, they are smooth running and the axles run and move freely. Further I attemped to turn over the traction tyres and it seemed to have helped a bit, so I m going to replace them as soon as possible. It only seems to happen on those curved turnouts too... Kristof
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TrainIride		#33 Posted : 08 August 2012 08:37:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,066 Location: FRANCE		Hi Kristof, Hoping the new traction tyres will resolve your problem. By the way, I have the 36742 french version of this loco, and I had at first a trouble with it: The front small wheels axle were not running. Because of the too much pressure of small current feeding wires behind the wheels, it was acting as brakes. I've reduced the pressure of these wires by bending them a bit and it was OK ! Best regards Joël
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Artologic		#34 Posted : 08 August 2012 08:55:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hello Joel, Thanks for the reply. I hope in time it will solve the issue too. What you write about, I have noticed too, especially in curves... Where did you bend them, because they still need to pickup the current. Kristof
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TrainIride		#35 Posted : 08 August 2012 09:13:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,066 Location: FRANCE		Originally Posted by: Artologic Hello Joel, Thanks for the reply. I hope in time it will solve the issue too. What you write about, I have noticed too, especially in curves... Where did you bend them, because they still need to pickup the current. Kristof Hi Kristof, I bended gently the wires with pliers enough for there's only one wire that touch the wheels at a time. When the left wheel touch the left wire, the right don't and so on.. I think this current feeding solution is just an inheritance of the Trix model compatibility that must be feeded with DC current so different polarity between left ans right wheel. I also think this current feeding system on the front wheels is useless on Märklin system. I'll send you a pic. regards Joël
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TrainIride		#36 Posted : 08 August 2012 09:26:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,066 Location: FRANCE		So, the pic of the front wheels and the slightly bended contacts . As you can see, the wheels are touching the wires I don't know when, but now they run fine and I never have any problem of current feeding with this model ! Hope this helps, good luck and take care.. regards Joël TrainIride attached the following image(s):
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Artologic		#37 Posted : 08 August 2012 10:03:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 502		Hey Joel, Thanks for the tip. I ll get to it as soon as i have my toolbox moved... Kristof
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