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Ian555		#51 Posted : 11 July 2012 08:35:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Wolf, Thanks again for the information. Ian.
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LMS800		#52 Posted : 11 July 2012 11:15:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Wolf, Thanks again for the information. Ian. Hi Ian, here we go with some more information. I guess you will have with this layout three different circuits ( 1935, 1936 and 1937-1939) and one transformer for each circuit. To avoid polarisation problems with the circuits/transformer, divide the electrical circuits with the track 3600 T. track 3600 T example for doing so In my previous post I had marked this division in green Wolf
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Ian555		#53 Posted : 11 July 2012 11:58:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Wolf, Now I know what it's for, I've got one of them, but not in good condition. Can I not just isolate the layout sections as I would normally do with M (stud) track. What type of transformer do you use for your layout's. I reckon I'd need around 9 points, still to work out R or L handed, and also the different track style. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us My latest track plan..... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Like you said, this allows me to run 3 layouts covering the track designs from 1935 to 1939.
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LMS800		#54 Posted : 11 July 2012 13:55:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Wolf, Now I know what it's for, I've got one of them, but not in good condition. Can I not just isolate the layout sections as I would normally do with M (stud) track. What type of transformer do you use for your layout's. I reckon I'd need around 9 points, still to work out R or L handed, and also the different track style. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us My latest track plan..... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Like you said, this allows me to run 3 layouts covering the track designs from 1935 to 1939. Hi Ian, I see tracks, tracks and tracks! And where do you plan the space for railway stations, loco shed and turntable ? And no reverse loop ?? You should take the old 280 A transformer. Regards Wolf
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Ian555		#55 Posted : 11 July 2012 15:57:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Wolf, I like tracks. There will be 3 small stations, no turntable, no loco shed, and no reverse loop. And so far, I've got no 1930's loco's to run on it either. I've got a long way to go. Ian.
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#56 Posted : 11 July 2012 16:06:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Wolf, I like tracks. There will be 3 small stations, no turntable, no loco shed, and no reverse loop. And so far, I've got no 1930's loco's to run on it either. I've got a long way to go. Ian. That is the fun part, Ian...the HUNT! Best regards, Paul PS. Your layout reminds me of this one in the factory in 1945: I don't have a track plan but this is what I see: SK 800, T 800, 428 shed, 429 crane, 410 M turntable, 424 B hall, 467 red bridge, ... *** and the crossing piece up front (you can see the little house) -- I forgot the number on that one.
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Ian555		#57 Posted : 11 July 2012 16:20:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Paul, Sounds great. And where does the hunt begin. Ian.
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LMS800		#58 Posted : 11 July 2012 16:22:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Wolf, I like tracks. There will be 3 small stations, no turntable, no loco shed, and no reverse loop. And so far, I've got no 1930's loco's to run on it either. I've got a long way to go. Ian. Hi Ian, but it is a very interesting long way you have to go - and it will take not too much time . I started with tracks as well......... When you place small stations, you must have signals. The electr. signals (1935-1939) were in combination of contact and interruptor tracks. This type of tracks ( half size) were straight tracks only - no curved tracks !! You have to consider this with your track-plan. (see pics) One word more to your transformer question: The old transformer 280 A had 6 sockets. the newer one 3 sockets only. The old magnetic items like points and signals needed 20 V for reliable switch funtions, this 20 Voltage was supplied by the socket pair W. You can also use the old black transformer 270 A (see pics). Regards Wolf
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#59 Posted : 11 July 2012 16:24:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Paul, Sounds great. And where does the hunt begin. Ian. Hi Ian, I can tip you off to some good sources to hunt. You just have to let me know what you're looking for and I'll find it....! Best, Paul
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LMS800		#60 Posted : 11 July 2012 16:29:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		@Paul, the number of the small house is 427 @: Ian, you started already with the hunt : 1935 tracks and points were the start, continue now with signals and all the other stuff Paul mentioned above ! We have a german word like " the human being is a collector and hunter"... Wolf
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Ian555		#61 Posted : 11 July 2012 17:49:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Paul and Wolf, I'd better get the tracks sorted first. Ian.
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mj		#62 Posted : 11 July 2012 20:34:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 370 Location: Växjö		Originally Posted by: LMS800 Hi all, I like the old Märklin layouts of the gauge 00 period very much. Marco, the layout 700/210 - depicted in catalog 1936 (and your post 20) is the first one built by Märklin in gauge 00. One could buy that one at that time for 340,00 RM (Reichsmark). To my knowledge only one of this original layout still exist and was sold several years ago for more than 20 000,00€ !!! I have re-built this layout with original items Wolf Wolf, is that the famous villa? Regards
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LMS800		#63 Posted : 11 July 2012 20:42:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Magnus - good guess ! Wolf
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mj		#64 Posted : 11 July 2012 20:53:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 370 Location: Växjö		Wolf, it is absolutely stunning. Regards
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#65 Posted : 11 July 2012 21:12:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		I think Ian needs an original Marklin Villa for his layout too! Best regards, Paul
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#66 Posted : 12 July 2012 00:54:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: LMS800 Originally Posted by: kweekalot Ian, I found some more 00 track plans. (0763 is also 00, not H0 !) http://www.lctm.info/Biblioteca/Libros/index.htm Hi Marco, all Märklin catalogs for the US market - covering the time 1935 to 1949 - were titled Gauge H0 ... Wolf Hi Wolf, That's true but here is a notable exception! 1937 Catalog for US Market (Richard Marklin Toys): Best regards, Paul
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LMS800		#67 Posted : 12 July 2012 09:21:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Hi Paul, is that a catalog ? I think that is the general description of the miniature table railway - written in English for foreign customers all over the world ! ?? And in the bottom there was space for the individual dealer address. Or is it marked for US market ? Please show the next page.. Regards Wolf
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cookee_nz		#68 Posted : 12 July 2012 10:15:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,999 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Wolf, Now I know what it's for, I've got one of them, but not in good condition. Ian, Can I suggest you see if you can get a "Rotomatic" tool ? I got one years ago, it's a budget dremel-type tool, and included with the accessories should be 3 different brass-wire brushes that I have found to be just brilliant at removing the type of surface rust shown on those two track pieces (wear glasses for safety). You'll be surprised how well they clean up, and yes if the rust has been allowed to get into the metal it will leave some pitting behind, but that will still be better than leaving the surface rust there which will just keep growing if you don't remove it. Brass wire is relatively soft and good at removing rust but without harshly scratching the metal - I used mine to remove all the surface rust on the turnouts and track on my shop display layout Hope this helps Cookee
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Ian555		#69 Posted : 12 July 2012 10:42:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Steve, With working on old British cars (and American), I'm well versed in surface rust... Thanks for the tip. Ian. I'll put the 9 inch angle grinder back in it's box then.
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#70 Posted : 12 July 2012 15:23:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: LMS800 Hi Paul, is that a catalog ? I think that is the general description of the miniature table railway - written in English for foreign customers all over the world ! ?? And in the bottom there was space for the individual dealer address. Or is it marked for US market ? Please show the next page.. Regards Wolf Hi Wolf, It's a full US market catalog from mid-1937 but modeled after the 1936 catalog. It was specifically for the US Market. There is also one for the British market, and it's very similar, but it has prices in it. The US Market catalog comes with a separate price list. Best regards, Paul
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kweekalot		#71 Posted : 12 July 2012 16:07:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland		Originally Posted by: Ian555 I'll put the 9 inch angle grinder back in it's box then.
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Ian555		#72 Posted : 12 July 2012 18:03:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 I think Ian needs an original Marklin Villa for his layout too! Best regards, Paul Hi Paul, Any info on the villa....... Ian.
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#73 Posted : 12 July 2012 18:13:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 I think Ian needs an original Marklin Villa for his layout too! Best regards, Paul Hi Paul, Any info on the villa....... Ian. Hi Ian, The Marklin Villa is a very rare piece. Here an excerpt from this article about it: Among many custom built buildings and layout accessories, an incredibly famous piece can be spotted mid-mountain just under the Rennbahn bridge: the majestic “MARKLIN VILLA.” Perhaps in a future article this incredible piece will be more fully discussed, but it is important to note that we can see this building as early as 1935. The villa is more commonly seen on the layout 700/210 from 00 catalog of 1936, but here we can see that it is possible the building was first made in 1935. http://marklinstop.com/2...e-rennbahn-of-the-1930s/ There are only a few known to exist. However, I have heard from some dealers and concerned collectors that there are replicas of the villa out in the market but they are easy to distinguish from the originals. Best regards, Paul
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Ian555		#74 Posted : 12 July 2012 18:50:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Paul, Thanks very much. Ian.
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mj		#75 Posted : 12 July 2012 21:09:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 370 Location: Växjö		Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Originally Posted by: Ian555 Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 I think Ian needs an original Marklin Villa for his layout too! Best regards, Paul Hi Paul, Any info on the villa....... Ian. Hi Ian, The Marklin Villa is a very rare piece. Here an excerpt from this article about it: Among many custom built buildings and layout accessories, an incredibly famous piece can be spotted mid-mountain just under the Rennbahn bridge: the majestic “MARKLIN VILLA.” Perhaps in a future article this incredible piece will be more fully discussed, but it is important to note that we can see this building as early as 1935. The villa is more commonly seen on the layout 700/210 from 00 catalog of 1936, but here we can see that it is possible the building was first made in 1935. http://marklinstop.com/2...e-rennbahn-of-the-1930s/ There are only a few known to exist. However, I have heard from some dealers and concerned collectors that there are replicas of the villa out in the market but they are easy to distinguish from the originals. Best regards, Paul I would also like to add this article (in german): http://tischbahn.de/inde...usiv-die-maerklin-villa/ Regards
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#76 Posted : 12 July 2012 21:29:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: mj Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Originally Posted by: Ian555 Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 I think Ian needs an original Marklin Villa for his layout too! Best regards, Paul Hi Paul, Any info on the villa....... Ian. Hi Ian, The Marklin Villa is a very rare piece. Here an excerpt from this article about it: Among many custom built buildings and layout accessories, an incredibly famous piece can be spotted mid-mountain just under the Rennbahn bridge: the majestic “MARKLIN VILLA.” Perhaps in a future article this incredible piece will be more fully discussed, but it is important to note that we can see this building as early as 1935. The villa is more commonly seen on the layout 700/210 from 00 catalog of 1936, but here we can see that it is possible the building was first made in 1935. http://marklinstop.com/2...e-rennbahn-of-the-1930s/ There are only a few known to exist. However, I have heard from some dealers and concerned collectors that there are replicas of the villa out in the market but they are easy to distinguish from the originals. Best regards, Paul I would also like to add this article (in german): http://tischbahn.de/inde...usiv-die-maerklin-villa/ Regards Yes that's a good one, Magnus.... Or even better: http://wiki.marklinstop.....php?title=Marklin_Villa With "External Links"
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john black		#77 Posted : 15 July 2012 16:23:42(UTC) Retweet
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Ian555		#78 Posted : 15 July 2012 16:53:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi John, You're not wrong. Ian.
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Ian555		#79 Posted : 16 July 2012 18:44:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Wolf, PM sent re the track parts. Ian.
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Ian555		#80 Posted : 19 July 2012 08:48:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Some track parts for my 1935 to 39 layout are in the post. Ian.
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kweekalot		#81 Posted : 19 July 2012 12:25:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland		Hi Ian, You are a lucky man. I must do it with modern 1947-1953 track. Looking forward to your next '16 sleeper' photos ! marco
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Ian555		#82 Posted : 22 July 2012 11:19:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Track parts arrived, photo's soon. Ian.
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Ian555		#83 Posted : 22 July 2012 11:56:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, A couple of photo's of the track points I've bought from Wolf. These are the correct points to fit my 1935 and 36 and 37 to 39 circles within that layout. Thanks again Wolf for your help. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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kweekalot		#84 Posted : 23 July 2012 09:16:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland		Wow !! Those 16 sleeper Turnouts are probably the most beautiful track pieces I have ever seen.
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Ian555		#85 Posted : 23 July 2012 10:46:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, I'll take a couple of close up photo's of the points. Ian.
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kweekalot		#86 Posted : 23 July 2012 12:34:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland		Yes Ian, that would be lovely. But maybe also to much for me. To be safe, I have got my oxygen mask ready for use right next to me. Marco
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Ian555		#87 Posted : 23 July 2012 14:20:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, We used to run Nitrous Oxide in the car at the Drag Racing ( Twin Turbo's now), and that is also very good for such occasions. Ian.
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Ian555		#88 Posted : 23 July 2012 14:38:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Here we have some photo's of my 1935 (77 year old) track. This was the only year that the thin (1mm) center rail was used, I have enough track for a circle and a passing loop, and this will be built into my 1935 thro' to 1939 layout, during that time Märklin used 3 different style of track design. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Again, I'd like to thank Wolf for his information on the 1935 track, and also for giving me the oppurtunity to buy some track for my layout.
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Ian555		#89 Posted : 23 July 2012 14:43:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Some more photo's. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Ian555		#90 Posted : 23 July 2012 14:48:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, And the last lot of photo's. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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kweekalot		#91 Posted : 23 July 2012 19:12:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland		Ian, Thanks for the additional photos !! I don't think it is necessary to tell, that I like your pre war turnouts a lot. Even the wires looks original !! The electric switches on these turnouts, looks so totally different than the ones on later track types. Marco
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Ian555		#92 Posted : 23 July 2012 20:02:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, Thanks very much. Ian.
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steventrain		#93 Posted : 23 July 2012 21:34:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Very good Ian. Do you have a pre war locos/Rolling stock?
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Ian555		#94 Posted : 23 July 2012 22:11:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Stephen, Thanks. I think I have a couple of wagons, but no Loco's (yet ). Ian.
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Ian555		#95 Posted : 26 July 2012 18:18:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Here you can see my "new" points fitted to the layout. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Ian555		#96 Posted : 26 July 2012 18:23:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Another couple of photo's. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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kweekalot		#97 Posted : 26 July 2012 18:59:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland		Ian, Very nice !! Have you tried the electrical switches ?? Is see that the 1936 turnout has a manual switch. Marco
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Ian555		#98 Posted : 26 July 2012 19:11:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Marco, There is 15 points altogether and 4 are manual. No, I haven't tried any of them yet, that won't happen till next year when I start on the layout. I'll pack them all away some time this week, back in boxes. (not original) Ian.
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kweekalot		#99 Posted : 28 July 2012 20:56:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland		Hi Ian, As you have acquired the points of forum member Wolf, I think they will definitely work well !! Marco
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Ian555		#100 Posted : 04 August 2012 07:49:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Just bought some early "16 sleeper" track", from the photo around 1936 track....I was the only bidder. 23 pieces of track for £10.50 Ian. Photo's when it arrives.
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