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Hi all, Here's some photo's of my 1935 track that I have just bought from forum member Wolf (LMS800), after he gave me some great advice regarding the slight differences, between the 1935 track and the later 1936 to 1940 track.... I'm still looking for another 4 straights, 1 point, buffer, and the small straight (missing piece.) The track plan will be as it is in the photo's Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.usEdited by user 10 July 2012 12:06:34(UTC)
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Hi all, Another couple of photo's of my 1935 layout track plan. Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.usHopefully the next photo shows the difference between the 1935 track and the 1936 to 1940 track. The center rail on the 1935 track is 1mm thick and is 2mm thick on the 1936 to 1940 track.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Hi Marco, Yes, I agree, wonderful track.  Ian.
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Hi all, Here's the rest of my 1936 to 1940 track, that I've bought over the last couple of years. I'm looking for suggestions for a track plan from a 1930's catalog....maybe a double track, medium sized. Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Can't keep it dry here....So much better than my 1947-1953 track...
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Hi Marco, I have some "24 sleeper" solid center rail track as well.  Ian.
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Ian, do you like the 24 sleeper type? ( I do). I have got about 350 pieces of this 24 sleeper 1947- 1953 '3600' track type, and some turnouts. All bought the last 3 weeks from 4 different sellers. Didn't cost me much, about € 150. I think that the "Vorkrieg" (Pre War) type is maybe a 20 fold more expensive. In Holland I don't even see the 16 sleeper type for sale. When I'm ready with my 1950's MoBa (Layout), I also try to buy some 16 sleeper track. A year ago I bought lots of new C track and digital turnouts in the Marklin Shop in Den Haag where I live. Now I don't understand why I was so stupid to buy that modern plastic track. It runs really smooth, but I don't like it. To modern for me. I want the solid middle rail. And the C track was really expensive. Ian, do you now this site? I like it a lot, the site contains some good info about the 3600 track serie and historical articles and so on. http://marklinstop.com/2...in-00ho-track-1935-1950/ |
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Hello Ian,
that is a very nice start - and I can help you with the missing parts and more.
@Marco: the quoted link is from our forum member CCS800KrokHunter3 .
The article about the tracks is a rough guide, "track collector" distinguish between quite more "differences" of these tracks.
If you can read German I can mail you a detailed guide on the 16-sleeper-tracks.
Regards
Wolf
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Hi Marco,
I don't have that much 24 sleeper track, but some of it is in like new condition.
I'll take some photo's of it tomorrow.
My plan has always been that once my new Train Room is finished, I would build small layouts using the different track designs Märklin has used starting with 1935 track and up to and including my digital layout where I'll use K track.
I will not be using the plastic C track.
Ian.
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Hi Wolf, Thanks, your help will be much appreciated with getting my solid center rail layouts up and running. My plans are for the following layout's. 1...1935 track. 2...1936 to 1940 track....I have enough of the 1936 track for a small oval. 3...1947 to 1955 track. 4...1955 to 2000? track..center stud track. Those layout's will all be analog, and I'm also planning a 20m sq digital layout using K track..flex track. Hopefully, I can fit all this into the Train Room. Ian.
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Wolf, you are the best! Yes, I can perfectly read German, just as good as English. I even prefer the German 'MoBa' magazines and catalogue instead of the Dutch. For me, 'Alte Tischbahnen' and the German Language belongs together. I didn't know that this great site was made by a forum member.  I love to receive the more detailed guide ! Thanks a lot. |
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Hi all, Here's my first idea for one of the layouts for my new train room. The size would be 1800mm by 1150mm, all on the one level, access would be from the front of the layout only. This is using 1935 and 1936 track only, there is two seperate circles, the inner one being the 1935 track. You will notice I've used a couple of later track sections to complete the circles at the moment, they will be replaced with the correct track sections. I can add another one straight to the length of each circle which takes the overall length to the 1800mm board size. I still have enough track from the 1937 to 1940 type to build another small layout. Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Great work, Ian. I love that early track too. Yes, I'm the creator of the Marklin Stop site. I haven't updated it in a while and I've been meaning to add more to the track & box articles (as Wolf points out there are many more variants that I'm missing). Ian, this article has some more track plans from 1938: http://marklinstop.com/2...tory-of-marklin-layouts/Best regards, Paul |
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Hi Paul, Thanks. And thanks for the track plans. Ian.
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Hi FMS, Thanks. Ian.
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Ian, Last night I saw your 77 years old track layout, but I was to dead tired to write something, but I really enjoyed your pics. Much appreciated over here ! And I can't wait to see more of your building plans .. I spent (too) many hours a week reading the 1930s - 1960s Marklin catalogues (that can all be found online). Have you ever thought about the idea of rebuilding one of the uber lovely layouts that can be found in the 1930s catalogues?? They are not to big and I think you now have got enough track pieces for it. May I share a 1936 catalogue illustration with you ?? kweekalot attached the following image(s): |
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Hi Marco,
Yes, that's a great plan but my problem is the usual one....space.
So, my plan is to combine my 1935 and 1936 layouts onto the one board and that is 1800mm by 1150mm.
With the layouts seperate, I'll run 2 transformers or at least that's the plan at the moment.
I still don't have any 1935 or '36 Loco's.
Ian.
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Yes, I know all about it.....space. (I have got 8 rooms in my 1930s house but they are all very small).  It looks like it that the "00 Tischbahn anlage" on the picture, fits the space of 180 x 115 cm. And a lot more original classic Marklin layouts that can be found on photos and illustrations, fits that space also. In that time people had not much space at home. (just like me). I think a lot of your 1950- 2012 trains will do just fine on your pre-war 00 tracks. |
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Hi all,
Could someone post a direct link for 1935 to 1940 track plans.
Thanks.
Ian.
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Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,478 Location: Holland
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Originally Posted by: Ian555  Hi all,
Could someone post a direct link for 1935 to 1940 track plans.
Thanks.
Ian.
Page 27 Marklin Catalogue 1935 ? Page 12 Marklin Catalogue 1936 ? Maybe there are other ways and sites, but I download Pdf files of 1925 - 2011 Marklin Catalogues here > http://www.lctm.info/Bib...alogos/Marklin/index.phpkweekalot attached the following image(s): |
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Hi Marco, Thanks very much, just what I was looking for. Ian.
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Hi all, I like the old Märklin layouts of the gauge 00 period very much. Marco, the layout 700/210 - depicted in catalog 1936 (and your post 20) is the first one built by Märklin in gauge 00. One could buy that one at that time for 340,00 RM (Reichsmark). To my knowledge only one of this original layout still exist and was sold several years ago for more than 20 000,00€ !!! I have re-built this layout with original items  and a second one with tracks 1935 - as well as railway stations 1935 - and small alterrations for a christmas scene.  Wolf
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Hi Wolf, Just wonderful. Is that the type of signals you mentioned, shown in your first photo. Ian.
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Wolf, Just wonderful. Is that the type of signals you mentioned, shown in your first photo. Ian. Hi Ian, in order to clarify the signals of layout 700/210 - I add a picture  Ian, your layout proposal looks very nice. But I prefer with a layout, that a train should be able to go everywhere. Please consider this proposal  You have still one disadvantage - all trains run constantly in the same direction !! What do you think about a return loop ?  Wolf
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Wolf, Looking at your rebuild of the classic 700/210 layout, I get a 2cm thick layer of Goosebumps on my lower arms. Wow I really love it !!!!!! As you know, I appreciate all your rebuilding jobs of super classic MoBa's, could not keep it dry also when I saw your rebuild of the 1939 Leipzig Toy Fair layout. Think you are the one that bought that last existing 700/210 set ??????  |
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Hi Wolf, Yes, I like those alterations to my track plan, but my list of track pieces I need is growing bigger. Ian.
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Hi all, Moved around the track a little, so that the straight sections line up at the rear so as to be able to fit 2 sets of points. I have also added my bridge section. Again my plans have changed, I would like to add my 1937 to 1940 track to this layout, and the board size is increased to 1600mm wide with access from both sides. This is how it looks at this stage. Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi all, Moved around the track a little, so that the straight sections line up at the rear so as to be able to fit 2 sets of points. I have also added my bridge section. Again my plans have changed, I would like to add my 1937 to 1940 track to this layout, and the board size is increased to 1600mm wide with access from both sides. This is how it looks at this stage. Ian. Uploaded with ImageShack.usUploaded with ImageShack.us Hi Ian, Very nice ! But there should be parallel to the bridge of the outer circle a bridge 1935 in the inner circle! Wolf
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Hi all, These latest photo's show all 3 track types within the one layout. We have 1935 inner circle, then 1936 circle, and finally 1937 to 1940 as the outer circle. I've used 1950's turnouts to show where the crossovers would be...they will be replaced. The width is 1600mm (access from both sides) and the length could be increased by one straight to 2100mm. As you can see, no reverse loop. (yet.) Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Hello Ian, please allow me a small amendment / correction to your statement "tracks 1935-1940". I don't see any tracks from 1940 !! In 1939 Märklin changed the colour of the tracks due to non-availability of "lac varnish" (German . Firnislack), the "new colour" was more grey - pictures basic colour 1935-1939  colour 1939-1942  Wolf
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Hi Wolf, Thanks for the information, so should I have said 1935 to 1939, would that be correct. Also, I'll be looking for the correct points to finish this layout, can you help. Thanks. Ian. Yes, I do have some of those lighter coloured tracks as well.
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Wolf, Thanks for the information, so should I have said 1935 to 1939, would that be correct. Also, I'll be looking for the correct points to finish this layout, can you help. Thanks. Ian. Yes, I do have some of those lighter coloured tracks as well. Hello Ian, yes , I can help, please send an email with a list what you need. General explanation to the colour of the tracks: The colour of the tracks were finally covered with varnish which turned the colour more to brown. When tracks were exposed to the light the colour became more dark. When tracks were wrapped and kept in the"dark", they shine more bright (grey). Wolf
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Hi Wolf,
Thanks, will send e-mail in the next couple of day's.
Ian.
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Originally Posted by: LMS800 Hello Ian, ... colour 1939-1942 Wolf Wolf that track was used from 1939 - 1943 and then again in 1945, right? All of my PX sets with SK 800 / RS 800 locos come with that track and they're from 1945. If the track is leftover (from the prewar) it looks like that. If it is new production, then it is a beige or pink color with no lithograph (the factory that did the lithography was destroyed in the war). Also some PX sets have a track from 1939 that had no light varnish but dark black rails. I think we need a complete track reference manual! Don't worry the official M-Users / Marklin Stop Wiki is in development now and will be released this weekend. Ian, the progress is great. If Wolf's inventory runs dry (I doubt it...  ), just let me know what you need. I have red bridges 467, lots of 1930s track & accessories, and especially 3600 AR track pieces which are a must if you build a 1935/1936 layout. Best regards, Paul PS. Wolf, you're right he might need another red bridge that runs parallel on the other track....unless the river runs underground for a bit? |
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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Originally Posted by: LMS800 Hello Ian, ... colour 1939-1942 Wolf Wolf that track was used from 1939 - 1943 and then again in 1945, right? All of my PX sets with SK 800 / RS 800 locos come with that track and they're from 1945. If the track is leftover (from the prewar) it looks like that. If it is new production, then it is a beige or pink color with no lithograph (the factory that did the lithography was destroyed in the war). Also some PX sets have a track from 1939 that had no light varnish but dark black rails. I think we need a complete track reference manual! Don't worry the official M-Users / Marklin Stop Wiki is in development now and will be released this weekend. Ian, the progress is great. If Wolf's inventory runs dry (I doubt it... ), just let me know what you need. I have red bridges 467, lots of 1930s track & accessories, and especially 3600 AR track pieces which are a must if you build a 1935/1936 layout. Best regards, Paul PS. Wolf, you're right he might need another red bridge that runs parallel on the other track....unless the river runs underground for a bit? Hello Paul, referring to the use of tracks - you are correct. But I think Ian should not use the 3600 AR track in his layout, using that one he will not have playing fun !!! The 3600 AR track (track with inbuilt rheostat) is very , very sensible to "burn through". And what is the price of this track - 300,00€ or more?? Regards Wolf
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Hi Ian Looks good . I do notice the size is beginning to grow from the original plan.  Mike |
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Hi Paul and Wolf,
Could you show a photo of the 3600AR track, and what it does.
Ian.
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Hi Mike, It did get a bit bigger. The space I have is 4900mm by 1600mm with access all round. So the 2100mm by 1600mm is for the 1930's track layout, and the remaining 2800mm by 1600mm for my 1950's solid center rail layout. Will explain it better on the 21st July. Ian.
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Paul and Wolf,
Could you show a photo of the 3600AR track, and what it does.
Ian.
Wolf -- yep the 3600 AR is just for looks I think I have like 5 of them right now and can't figure out how to get any of them working... Ian -- I can provide photos later today. The track is just a curved single track with a lever on it and a red handle. It was produced in the years 1935 / 1936. I actually have the instruction sheet for one too (it is referenced in a 1935 manual and also the catalogs). The "AR" stands for something like "Anschluss Reg....." There are several different versions...thin center rails, thick center rails, and export versions of both, some with covers and some without (maybe the covers just came off?). Here are some good photos for now: http://alte-modellbahnen...11327f2-Maerklin-AR.htmlOh here is a photo of one of mine: http://shop.marklinstop....info.php?products_id=207The export version and the version from 1935 are more rare, but Wolf you're correct I think they go for about 300,- EUR normally. Best, Paul |
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for the photo's, never seen one before.
Ian.
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Hi Marco, Thanks for the link. Ian.
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Originally Posted by: kweekalot Hi Marco, all Märklin catalogs for the US market - covering the time 1935 to 1949 - were titled Gauge H0 whereas the catalogs for the British (and European) market were titled Gauge 00.British catalog 1938  catalog 1936 for US-market  Wolf
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All this talk of the older track reminded me of a thread last year when I resurrected an HR800 which came with a good quantity of very good 24 & 16 sleeper track, and I video'd the inaugural run on the tile floor..... 24 sleeper on one half and 16 on the other. No turnouts unfortunately but one double-slip and a crossing are a start. I also have an Eheim VW Bulli that has the spoon pickups which I will test when all my stuff arrives back in Wellington. Cheers Cookee |
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Ian, the buffer to the left with 3 sleepers is pre-war (1936-1939) and the other one with 5 sleepers is part of the tracks with 24 sleepers ( 1947 - 1955). Wolf
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