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Offline john black  
#151 Posted : 19 June 2010 23:50:04(UTC)
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Hi Anders - our Grandkids have 'em, nice controllers Smile
Drats - now I posted without owning one.
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline old toot  
#152 Posted : 20 June 2010 13:00:02(UTC)
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Hullo all
MS2 is very nice to hold and we will demo it to the local club this friday
Yes its a step up from MS one but for a lot who have smaller layouts really great
with the points control included. while it has space for ten on board as i see it
if you had another 20 locos that you used from time to time you only need a card for each
and put the engine on and popin the card and your away' so the 11th slot means that you
can change fairly quickly.The alternative is the central station which cost wise is out of the
park for many modellers,but two MS2 would give you 20 active and two slots for variable usage
and Im expecting these to be popular
Dion's reasonably happy with it but can see some education needed for new users but thats where
we have to do our part,and as we have found digital needs explaining for modellers to fully realise
what they can do with it,some have grown up with digital stuff, others its just a fog, but when one
has seen and heard a working digital layout, its just another step up in model railway realism and
MS2 will add to that for the owner of smaller layouts and there are 1000's out there
so far as the new locos that are not on the database I think marklin plan to send these out with a card
included so they can loaded on to MS2
regards
old toot
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Offline dragos  
#153 Posted : 20 June 2010 20:48:14(UTC)
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john black wrote:

Drats - now I posted without owning one.


Shame on you BigGrin

regards
Björn
Offline john black  
#154 Posted : 20 June 2010 22:56:11(UTC)
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dragos wrote:

john black wrote:

Drats - now I posted without owning one.


Shame on you BigGrin

Will try, Sir Björn - will try ... BigGrin
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline Hemmerich  
#155 Posted : 21 June 2010 00:53:09(UTC)
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Edited by user 20 November 2010 01:46:13(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline nevw  
#156 Posted : 21 June 2010 02:27:20(UTC)
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Also to note that IF NEW LOCOS ARE MFX there is no need to update the Database as the MFX Locos are not on the database to start with.
It is only new locos that are not MFX that you have to worry about.

Lutz, OUTSIDE of Germany and the EU Marklin dealers are few and far between and may be 1000s of KM away, even in another country and most likely will not have a CS2 Demo Unit. That makes it very difficult to update via a CS2.
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Offline muzza  
#157 Posted : 21 June 2010 03:56:26(UTC)
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nevw wrote:
Also to note that IF NEW LOCOS ARE MFX there is no need to update the Database as the MFX Locos are not on the database to start with.
It is only new locos that are not MFX that you have to worry about.

Lutz, OUTSIDE of Germany and the EU Marklin dealers are few and far between and may be 1000s of KM away, even in another country and most likely will not have a CS2 Demo Unit. That makes it very difficult to update via a CS2.


Nev,

There is no question where I would prefer to live but it would be novel to be able to just get the stock and help you need from a dealer whenever you want it.

regards

murray
Offline Tower  
#158 Posted : 22 June 2010 10:59:35(UTC)
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Hemmerich wrote:
jeehring wrote:
Excuse me Tower, how could you know if some functions are lost when you say that " the MFX decoder is not detected" ?
It's not clear for me, I can't understand.

Never mind. The MS2, if set up correctly detects mfx locos and all its functions.

PS: It's obvious that if multiple locos with programmable decoders are left on the tracks normally all of them will accept a new address command. Maybe it's worth RTFM!!!, in particular the bold text on pg.13 of the MS2 user guide.

PS: @Goofy - I know for sure certain people who do, but apparently numerous posters don't seem to have ever even seen or had one in their own hands. Wink



Amen!Smile
Offline old toot  
#159 Posted : 22 June 2010 16:32:47(UTC)
old toot

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Hi all
Thanks for that hemmerich is always good to hear from someone closer to marklin, but the cards will make the changing of a loco very quick and simple beyond the first 10 and thats functionality.
so far as support we find that internet opens us for us a great ability to communicate
back and forth with customers regardless of where they are,it doesn't matter nev if they are in aust or south island or
denmark, scotland the states to me,its just another customer wanting help.
we use it all the time, sometimes we send photos,and sometimes the questions are very basic
but thats where people are at,and by response we have found people get used to being able to
shoot a question knowing they will get an answer.
so far as backups again the internet just closes that gap,coming from 20 years in computers
its just second nature to pull down upgrades and that is the nature of the modern digital world,
it changes so fast,marklin design best at today's stage, but then intel comes out with a new chip and it blows everything
before out of the water, and what a manafacturer didn't think they could do cost wise,suddenly becomes possible.
and all folks coming into digital model railways need to understand this, like their computer 2 years is a long time in
electronics,but it brings a realism that even 5 years ago we dreamed about.
just yesterday i had a grandad and grandson in the shop hearing a digital sound loco for the first time they were
just blown away at how real model trains are now and MS2 is going to make that happen economically for many.
well im off to sleep they say we are getting snow dowm to 300 tonight so could be fun tomorrow BigGrin BigGrin
they come looking for trains BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
regards
old toot
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#160 Posted : 22 June 2010 20:32:55(UTC)
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Goofy wrote:
I wonder one thing:How many of you does now own Marklins new MS2...?



I do! Just got some K83's and point motors, so I can 'play' with the solenoid control features.


Mitropa wrote:
Does it work with the 60052 transformer and cable?


Yes. But output capability is limited by the 60113 track connect box - 1.9amps I believe, so the full capacity of the 60052 is not used.
Offline Goofy  
#161 Posted : 22 June 2010 20:38:49(UTC)
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Bigdaddynz wrote:
Goofy wrote:
I wonder one thing:How many of you does now own Marklins new MS2...?



I do! Just got some K83's and point motors, so I can 'play' with the solenoid control features.


Good luck with yours new "playstation"...! ThumpUp
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#162 Posted : 22 June 2010 20:46:16(UTC)
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Thanks Goofy.

I like it, it is better than the MS1. Contrary to Peter, I find the loco card thing a bit gimicky, and seems a bit of a waste of a perfectly good smart card just to store one loco. Perhaps, as has been suggested, a SD card would have been better to expand 'memory', but I guess the smart cards are better than nothing. Like the MS1, the 10 loco limit is a pain, for the reasons others have suggested.

Now that I have the Re 10/10, I'm planning to have a play with double heading, although I couldn't find documentation of that feature with a quick look through the manual. No doubt a more thorough read is in order!

Edited by user 23 June 2010 05:40:19(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#163 Posted : 23 June 2010 08:06:09(UTC)
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Goofy wrote:
What about to doubleheaded locomotivs from just only MS2...?
Has anyone tested it...?



Hemmerich wrote:
Sure. Works as documented. BigGrin



Unfortunately, I'm not sure which documentation you refer to. There are no explicit instructions for double heading in the MS2 manual, neither was there any info on this in the recent double heading threads. Is it possible with just the MS2, and if so, what is the process? Or does the MS2 need to inherit the consist setup from a CS2?


Or have I missed something obvious?

Offline H0  
#164 Posted : 23 June 2010 11:27:50(UTC)
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Re: Double heading:
Hemmerich wrote:
Sure. Works as documented. BigGrin

Not documented in the 60653 manual.
Not working for mfx locos I presume.
=> Sure. Works as documented. ThumbDown

Working for fx and DCC locos (i. e. all locos where you can manually set addresses and use 2 locos with the same address).
Replace the mfx decoders with DCC decoders that support consists - that should be more comfortable than the fx same address hack.

So with respect to double heading, there's no improvement over MS1 - unless I missed something.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#165 Posted : 23 June 2010 12:11:21(UTC)
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Thanks Tom, I thought as much!
Offline Goofy  
#166 Posted : 23 June 2010 20:37:33(UTC)
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Perhaps Marklin did missed information by showed it up into data...???
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline Pierobon  
#167 Posted : 03 December 2011 02:58:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Lollo Go to Quoted Post
Just answered my own Question. Found this link on another forum to download user manual.
http://medienpdb.maerkli.../1/pdf/60653_betrieb.pdf


I did not find any mentions of the "Traktion" function you have in the CS2,
You can find on pages 36 to 40 from this official Märklin document. (click here)

If I want to have a very simple oval layout with only 2 lokos ("Schweizerische Re 10/10" on my case), how can I use them together with a single mobile station?
The other option would be to buy 2 mobile stations and use both hands to turn the knobs at the same time, but that would be kinda annoying.
Any solutions for me?
Thanks!
Offline Goofy  
#168 Posted : 03 December 2011 09:21:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the video show!
I have decides,that it will not been any at all with MS2.

ThumbDown


Oh silly me... Blushing
I did bought it anyway and it works very well.
It´s good for those who don´t want a big layout.
I really like it...but i miss to handle consist trains in one adress.
But never mind...i can always get an CS2 too.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline H0  
#169 Posted : 03 December 2011 09:46:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pierobon Go to Quoted Post
If I want to have a very simple oval layout with only 2 lokos ("Schweizerische Re 10/10" on my case), how can I use them together with a single mobile station?
Disable mfx on your MS2 (should work with MS2 v1.80 and newer), give both locos the same MM address and run the train with the MM protocol.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Pierobon  
#170 Posted : 09 December 2011 00:48:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Pierobon Go to Quoted Post
If I want to have a very simple oval layout with only 2 lokos ("Schweizerische Re 10/10" on my case), how can I use them together with a single mobile station?
Disable mfx on your MS2 (should work with MS2 v1.80 and newer), give both locos the same MM address and run the train with the MM protocol.


Sounds like a nice solution...
But then I wont be able to couple and uncouple them and run them separately, then together again, then separate again...

Stil thinking in what to buy.
More ideas?
Offline Pierobon  
#171 Posted : 27 June 2012 17:28:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Pierobon Go to Quoted Post
If I want to have a very simple oval layout with only 2 lokos ("Schweizerische Re 10/10" on my case), how can I use them together with a single mobile station?
Disable mfx on your MS2 (should work with MS2 v1.80 and newer), give both locos the same MM address and run the train with the MM protocol.


So, I had some trouble to achieve this result, but hey, it works!!!
Only thing is: if I run both locos uncoupled, RE4/4 is always 5%~10% faster than RE6/6. I checked this running both in parallel tracks lots of times.
Is this normal?

I think this is causing the traction tires to come off from the wheels, once in a while...


[EDIT]
I also noticed that the 4/4 loco sometimes have a rough slightly "bumpy" acceleration, and the 6/6 have a total smooth one.
I bought it brand new, opened and cleaned (nothing to clean), changed the position of some wires to match the ones in 6/6 loco, and the problem seem to have stopped - just the speed mismatch thing now.

Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
You can change the motor parameters of the decoder to get a better match of speeds.
MS2 can write new values, but cannot read the current values.

I looked in the MS2 manual if there is something about "engine parameters", could find only the Vmax and Vmin settings; is this what you are talking about?
Offline H0  
#172 Posted : 27 June 2012 20:08:28(UTC)
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You can change the motor parameters of the decoder to get a better match of speeds.
MS2 can write new values, but cannot read the current values.

Someone with a Central Station (60212 through 60215) will be able to read the motor parameters. This will make changes much more easy.
Any CS owners around "Here" you could ask?

Maybe there's a CS owner on this forum who also has the Re 10/10 set and who can read the motor parameters for you.

If speeds don't match, traction tyres will come off.
Regards
Tom
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Offline gerardo960  
#173 Posted : 28 June 2012 02:05:24(UTC)
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hello boys would contact them via memory cards and mobile station I found a problem and the manual does not explain anything about it because when I make the change of the mobile card has trouble accepting the new card preloaded with the new engine parameters and for acceptance to reset. There algunb trick to avoid this problem.
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