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LMS800		#1 Posted : 05 May 2012 19:41:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		I dream comes true For years I looked at catalog 1939 at this very impressive – therefore beloved - picture of a very great layout – made for the LEIPZIG TOY FAIR ( 5 th – 10 th March 1939 ) I dreamt of building this layout Finally I saw a picture – showing the full display. and I found the track plan I figured out the number of all necessary items required ( eg 43 lamps 448…) and started to collect ( buy) them. In march 2012 I started the project 800/ 220, the biggest pre-war layout ever built! Tracks are layed, buildings and cranes in place, now my first light check Today I finished work with this display – please see the result: new pics will be inserted tomorrow here are new pics without the discussed flag: This is my final layout.I keep them all in the attic of my house. Now you know my attitude to Märklin gauge 00 and this is the end of my introduction to the forum, for the future I hope for a good cooperation and exchange of knowledge. Regards Wolf
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#2 Posted : 05 May 2012 19:53:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Looks really great, Wolf! The lights must require their own transformer there are so many! Paul PS. The middle bruniert SK is from 1947, correct?
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H0		#3 Posted : 05 May 2012 19:59:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,566 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Wolf, It looks as if the Hakenkreuz flags are authentic - but I wouldn't show them if it was my layout. IANAL, but I think it conflicts with applicable German laws. Otherwise it looks like an excellent reproduction of the trade fair layout.
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#4 Posted : 05 May 2012 20:06:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi, Wolf, It looks as if the Hakenkreuz flags are authentic - but I wouldn't show them if it was my layout. IANAL, but I think it conflicts with applicable German laws. Otherwise it looks like an excellent reproduction of the trade fair layout. I think it depends on the location of the server (which is in Sweden) so Wolf does not have to worry here in this forum (that is why we are allowed to post catalog images, too). I can't speak about the originality of the flags, but I will say the flag stands are different. Best regards, Paul
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H0		#5 Posted : 05 May 2012 20:22:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,566 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 I think it depends on the location of the server (which is in Sweden) so Wolf does not have to worry here in this forum (that is why we are allowed to post catalog images, too). If Wolf lives in Germany (as his profile indicates), then he should consider this. Sweden is not China. Are you sure it's legal to post catalogue images? German copyright laws allow this to some extent, so if Sweden's laws are similar it may not always be illegal. But it may not always be legal.
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Western Pacific		#6 Posted : 05 May 2012 20:34:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi, Wolf, It looks as if the Hakenkreuz flags are authentic - but I wouldn't show them if it was my layout. IANAL, but I think it conflicts with applicable German laws. Otherwise it looks like an excellent reproduction of the trade fair layout. From what I've seen on Wikipedia, German version, the swastika is reversed on the layout flag compared to that of NSDAP and the Third Reich. Wikipedia about the Third Reich
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#7 Posted : 05 May 2012 21:06:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 I think it depends on the location of the server (which is in Sweden) so Wolf does not have to worry here in this forum (that is why we are allowed to post catalog images, too). If Wolf lives in Germany (as his profile indicates), then he should consider this. Sweden is not China. Are you sure it's legal to post catalogue images? German copyright laws allow this to some extent, so if Sweden's laws are similar it may not always be illegal. But it may not always be legal. I'm not exactly sure how those laws work, this was just something I heard from a forum administrator that was dealing with this problem. I know some German forums had problems with it while others outside of Germany did not. @Per -- you're correct the symbol is inverted and the original 406 flags are not like that. Perhaps it is a safety measure put in by the creator to show the flags are not original. Best regards, Paul
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H0		#8 Posted : 05 May 2012 21:17:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,566 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Western Pacific From what I've seen on Wikipedia, German version, the swastika is reversed on the layout flag compared to that of NSDAP and the Third Reich. Yes, but it's typical for flags that one side shows the image reversed. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/...afgesetzbuch_section_86a In the German version they explicitly say that reversed Hakenkreuze are also illegal since 1994. Museums may use Hakenkreuze. Historic movies may use Hakenkreuze. I think that private layouts may not use them even if they are exact reproductions of historic layouts.
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20-VOLT-AC		#9 Posted : 05 May 2012 21:21:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 250 Location: united kingdom		Hello Wolf. How long did it take you to construct this fantastic replica layout of "Leipzig Toy Fair" 1939 ? Regards Neil.
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#10 Posted : 05 May 2012 21:22:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Western Pacific From what I've seen on Wikipedia, German version, the swastika is reversed on the layout flag compared to that of NSDAP and the Third Reich. Yes, but it's typical for flags that one side shows the image reversed. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/...afgesetzbuch_section_86a In the German version they explicitly say that reversed Hakenkreuze are also illegal since 1994. Museums may use Hakenkreuze. Historic movies may use Hakenkreuze. I think that private layouts may not use them even if they are exact reproductions of historic layouts. The image reversed on the back of a flag might be true, but it's not for the 406 flag which shows the same image on both sides. I would provide a picture as proof but ..... Wolf, the layout is absolutely incredible with or without the inclusion of the flags. Overall you have captured the beauty of one of Marklin's greatest toy fair layouts in my opinion. It must have been quite a task to compile all of the necessary materials which were not already in your collection. Congratulations again! Best regards, Paul
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steventrain		#11 Posted : 05 May 2012 22:15:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Views messages in topic : 31,768 Location: United Kingdom		Look great.
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Webmaster		#12 Posted : 05 May 2012 22:24:26(UTC) Retweet
You have been a member since:: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,166		An excellent classic layout... Looks great! Regarding that flag, it is very considerate of you to exclude it in the pictures since there are maybe members who have negative experiences and memories of it from passed times. However, "The Party" took an old symbol for the sun and mirrored it in the flag so I have a hard time understanding why a mirror back to the original peaceful sun symbol is forbidden by law. I suppose it is the overall flag design concept that is the real disturbing issue. But these are still sensitive matters for some, so maybe it is better to not show them at all. The layout looks fantastic, flags or no flags...
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kimballthurlow		#13 Posted : 05 May 2012 22:33:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,818 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: 20-VOLT-AC Hello Wolf. How long did it take you to construct this fantastic replica layout of "Leipzig Toy Fair" 1939 ? Regards Neil. Hi Wolf, A very impressive effort, in so many respects, and thanks for showing. Hi Neil, Wolf says he started building in March 2012. regards Kimball
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igf2		#14 Posted : 05 May 2012 22:34:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 268 Location: France		Hi Wolf It is the third time I see this layout reproduced since the war. It is a beautiful and marvellous achievement. I must admit that it is also my dream to, once, build this layout. How many transformer do you use ? Quite a few I guess... Would it be possible to have more pictures ? MfG Jean-Pierre
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petestra		#15 Posted : 05 May 2012 23:11:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 5,863 Location: Leesburg,VA.USA		Just super, Wolf. The photos really are superb, especially the nighttime shots. I love the Stuttgart Bahnhof. Thanks,Peter
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3rail4life		#16 Posted : 05 May 2012 23:31:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: Northern California		Absolutely Fantastic Wolf, Thank you so much for sharing your collection and layouts with the forum, with your attitude and dedication, to me, you are the Märkin gauge 00 König. Gordon
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jeehring		#17 Posted : 05 May 2012 23:38:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Woww....super, marvellous, so beautiful,... thank you Wolf for sharing !
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river6109		#18 Posted : 06 May 2012 01:11:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,916 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Wolf, This is very special, unique and in my opinion fantastic and what a good idea of re-creating a layout from that era, collecting or as you said buying all the stuff and than building it. It could be the worlds only layout still in existence and the other part I like, you are using your locos to complete the picture. I really appreciate this for you to take the time to share this creation, thank you regards., John Edited by user 04 June 2012 02:19:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Ian555		#19 Posted : 06 May 2012 07:22:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 19,968 Location: Scotland		Hi Wolf, What a fantastic way to introduce yourself to the forum. Wonderful layouts. Ian.
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BrandonVA		#20 Posted : 08 May 2012 19:24:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,533 Location: VA		There is a lot of magic in this pre-war Marklin. There was certainly a great feeling in the products and catalogs back then, hard to describe. Of course it's great! A note to the images: The imagines themselves are not hosted on the forum servers, but are linked from another server with a .de registration. I do not know or claim to know anything about the laws, this is just the technical side.
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eberhardt		#21 Posted : 02 June 2012 20:11:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 77 Location: Staffordshire.		You're right Brandon, it is magic. As a child in the late forties early fifties I saw pictures of layouts like this and just dreamed. Wolf's attic must be where we all go when we die, paradise.
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Johnvr		#22 Posted : 02 June 2012 23:52:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,307 Location: Cape Town, South Africa		Absolutely wonderful layout and an inspiration for everyone ! Thank you so much for sharing these pictures with us. We love to see Marklin from these older layout sets. Regards, John
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Loadmaster		#23 Posted : 03 June 2012 01:12:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/02/2010(UTC) Posts: 898 Location: So Cal		I like that style catenary. Rob
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GTSE800		#24 Posted : 03 June 2012 02:38:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 74 Location: RI		Very nice layout Wolf, It may be an old design, but it looks more like something from the future. (I think it's great) A true classic for sure...... Darryl / GTSE800
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franciscohg		#25 Posted : 03 June 2012 22:32:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,300 Location: Patagonia		WOOOOWWWW, simply great............ You should be awarded for this!!!!!!!!!!! Espectacular... Simply no words to say how impress am i
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TrainIride		#26 Posted : 03 June 2012 23:15:53(UTC) Retweet
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drstapes		#27 Posted : 03 June 2012 23:40:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		By far the best vintage layout I have seen,well done Wolf.
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petestra		#28 Posted : 03 June 2012 23:54:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 5,863 Location: Leesburg,VA.USA		Hi Guys, you know it's a great track plan too. It has a-lot of play value. Peter
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NZMarklinist		#29 Posted : 10 June 2012 15:31:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Hello Wolf, Very nice pictures of your lovely layout, thanks for sharing your dream. I didn't notice any hakencruze flags
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NZMarklinist		#30 Posted : 10 June 2012 15:33:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: Loadmaster I like that style catenary. Rob Yeah but having the correct Catenary would be an improvement for the future
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LMS800		#31 Posted : 10 June 2012 16:08:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Originally Posted by: Loadmaster I like that style catenary. Rob Yeah but having the correct Catenary would be an improvement for the future Hello Glen, what do you mean with correct catenary ? Regards Wolf
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river6109		#32 Posted : 10 June 2012 18:41:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,916 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Glen, this is the correct catanary for this period, I think the idea behind the layout it is from as specific era and the catanary supplements this era. If you use todays catanary it wouldn't be a layout form the 1940's, I think this was the whole idea behind it. John Edited at: by user 11 June 2012 14:42:32(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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NZMarklinist		#33 Posted : 11 June 2012 03:53:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: LMS800 Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Originally Posted by: Loadmaster I like that style catenary. Rob Yeah but having the correct Catenary would be an improvement for the future Hello Glen, what do you mean with correct catenary ? Regards Wolf Hello Wolf, Humble apologies, it was a bit late and I obviously didn't notice that either A gap in my Marklin historical knowledge, that I wasn't aware of and don't ever recall seeing for sale, the earlier and obviously correct Catenary type for your layout, sorry about that. The earliest Marklin Catenary I was aware of was the plastic mast, stamped wire type, as I had on my childhood layout in the early 60's. Thanks for more knowledge.
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intruder		#34 Posted : 11 June 2012 08:56:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Hi Wolf. Looking at your photos and seeing what you have made, I have just one word: Fantastic!
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kweekalot		#35 Posted : 27 June 2012 13:33:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,544 Location: Holland		Wolf, my humble compliments, this is where our Marklin hobby is all about !! Through your beautiful post, I (today) joined this super forum. What a great idea to rebuild this 1939 "anlage", and let it rise from the ashes. (A pity that your tube post is a bit low quality (blur)).
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figmo84		#36 Posted : 22 July 2012 12:08:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: atlanta		You are to be contratulated...your layout is a true work of art ! What is the smooth table top material you used ?
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kumarvartak		#37 Posted : 09 August 2012 05:40:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 97 Location: India		Dear Wolf, I have seen the incredible photos of the Leipzig Fair 1939 layout they are fantastic and it will take a lot of skill and effort, to duplicate this quality and detail. I am from India and we have a word " Guru" , meaning great teacher. You are truly my Guru for creating Marklin authentic layouts. Never take this one apart, keep it for posterity and for generations of the future. Hope one day that I will create, a layout a little like this. Great Going, Kumar
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LMS800		#38 Posted : 09 August 2012 08:41:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 162		Originally Posted by: kumarvartak Dear Wolf, I have seen the incredible photos of the Leipzig Fair 1939 layout they are fantastic and it will take a lot of skill and effort, to duplicate this quality and detail. I am from India and we have a word " Guru" , meaning great teacher. You are truly my Guru for creating Marklin authentic layouts. Never take this one apart, keep it for posterity and for generations of the future. Hope one day that I will create, a layout a little like this. Great Going, Kumar Dear Kumar, many thanks for your kind words. But building such a layout is just a copy of old plans . I like these types of layout as the focus the view on Märklin articles. But I must admit - this is very "cost intensive".... Regards Wolf
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GlennM		#39 Posted : 09 August 2012 14:01:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,038 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Wolf, I would like to say what a wonderful layout. I love to see the old photographs of some of the great layouts that were built in the past, and it is fantastic to see one fully recreated like yours. I cannot begin to imagine how long it must have taken to source original parts for such a large layout but it looks great. I would also like to say in response to the discussions concerning the flags at the beginning of this post, that this replica layout has been done to honor the layout that was actually produced for the Leipzig Fair, and not as a political statement. Therefore I do not see anything offensive or wrong in having the correct flag that was displayed in the original layout, as this is historical fact. It is unnecessary to politicise a model rail layout purely for the purposes of political correctness. I hope this layout gives you great joy, and thanks for sharing it with us. Best Regards Glenn
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Marklin in Oz		#40 Posted : 02 October 2012 04:43:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 228 Location: Lawrence Kansas		Absolutely amazing. I’ve got a 1940 catalog with a picture of the original (The dreaded Swastikas are black out with an ink pen). To see the whole thing reproduced is just astounding. Fantastic work. -Fred
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Alberto Pedrini		#41 Posted : 03 October 2012 17:24:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Great work Wolf, I just read this topic today, I too have dreamed of this layout, it is a piece of story, thanks for sharing it
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Breitenfurt		#42 Posted : 03 November 2012 19:42:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/01/2008(UTC) Posts: 874 Location: Scotland		Wow, what can I say? Just wish I had both the skills and patience to build such a wonderful layout! With best wishes, Chris.
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