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Hi Glen, Thanks.  Ian.
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist  I hope you didn't ............ another contribution to HM Customs, Dave ?  $270 unfortunately. Swines! (There was another loco in the package as well)
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Hi David,
Does that work out the same as paying the 19% vat over here.
Ian.
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist I hope you didn't ............ another contribution to HM Customs, Dave ? $270 unfortunately. Swines! (There was another loco in the package as well) Ouch Dave  Inspite of me asking for my Big Boy to be shipped on it's own, it's in a box from LS, with another Lok also, plus some bits and pieces so I might be in for a similar amount, maybe more  Ian, our GST is 15%, but on the larger amounts they stick us with a few other fees and GST on them as well, just trying to spoil a MMRR's fun  So it works out close. With just the Big Boy only I'd have hoped to get away with it as they don't properly check every parcel. I'll know next week when my one crosses the border. ( ie; gets processed by NZ Post at Auckland Airport) |
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Auckland NZ
" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !
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Hi Glen, One way or another...they get you.(us) Ian.
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How many of you who have purchased 37994 have found that "mysterious" cylindrical screw sitting on the bottom of the wooden case? If so, I'd like to know:
1) Are we all referring to the same screw, in a cylindrical shape, approximately 8 mm long?
2) If so, David (Klarinettenmeiter) is showing a picture where the mysterious screw is supposed to be screwed back. However, there is no indication whatsoever in the Märklin explosion drawing for this loco about that cylindrical screw (if indeed it is "my" cylindrical screw) to go there. Well, at least for my layman's eyes.
3) Could someone please otherwise point for me in the Märklin explosion drawing the spot where the screw is supposed to go?
I feel that the Märklin Quality Control on this BB has "screwed" me this time. How come could a screw possibly be left loose on an almost $1,000 lok? |
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Correction, it was $213. Just looking at the Customs invoice now. GST on the locos was $174.90, but they add an Import Transaction fee ($22) and a Biosecurity levy ($11.10) and then GST on the levies/fees ($5) Armando, AFAIK the screw goes into the front gearbox driving the front set of driving wheels. At least it was on my 37993. Edited by user 27 April 2012 13:09:19(UTC)
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,296 Location: Scotland
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Hi all,
When I unpacked my BigBoy (37994), I didn't see this loose screw.
I haven't taken the Loco off it's base yet, could the screw be under the Loco??? (in between the Loco and the wooden stand.)
Ian.
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Correction, it was $213. Just looking at the Customs invoice now.
GST on the locos was $174.90, but they add an Import Transaction fee ($22) and a Bisosecurity levy ($11.10) and then GST on the levies/fees ($5)
Armando, AFAIK the screw goes into the front gearbox driving the front set of driving wheels. At least it was on my 37993. Question: Should it read "Biosecurity levy ($11.10)"? and has this to do with the fact that the loco comes in a wooden box? I have a recollection that both NZ and "the Western Island" have restrictions on importing wood and other plant related stuff.
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Hi Guys, Thanks for taking the time to shoot and then post the photos 2 X , Jeremy. |
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Originally Posted by: Western Pacific Question: Should it read "Biosecurity levy ($11.10)"? and has this to do with the fact that the loco comes in a wooden box?
I have a recollection that both NZ and "the Western Island" have restrictions on importing wood and other plant related stuff. Yes that's right, thanks for spotting the typo. Yes, MAF are pretty strict about the importation of plant / wood material. NZ is an agricultural producing country, so anything that could jeopardise that part of the economy is taken very seriously. Ian, hopefully you have no screws loose! I don't think it has happened to every BB, but it did to my 37993 (but not 37994), and to others, but maybe not yours.
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Hi David,
Thanks,
I'll take it back out the box and have another good look, maybe I missed it.
Ian.
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The problem with the loose screw seems like a bit of a problem.
On the first Big Boy 37990 I found a screw just like many of you have done, loose in the box. When I tried the loco on the tracks it worked fine until it entered a curve (24230). I remember I actually called my dealer about it. Then I studied the parts diagram and found out about the screw.
I´ve been having no problems with 37991 nor 37993. On the 37994 I was a bit violent when I tried to get the loco back on it´s base. That´s when my screw got loose, so the screw wasn´t loose from the beginning. But I suspect that alot of curves could actually make the screw unscrew itself as it´s very loose. I agree with many here that Märklin should change their design as loosing this screw will make the front driving wheels in the loco stop working. |
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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister
... Then I studied the parts diagram and found out about the screw.
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Hi David, Could you please post a scan of the part diagram and circle where the screw goes? I haven't been able to find the right spot. Tack på förhand! |
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Originally Posted by: Armando Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister
... Then I studied the parts diagram and found out about the screw.
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Hi David, Could you please post a scan of the part diagram and circle where the screw goes? I haven't been able to find the right spot. Tack på förhand! Hej igen Armando! I studied the part diagram a little bit more close. The screw is not there!! I´ve put 3 circles around the holes on the chassi, the motor case and the front truck where the screw is supposed to be but I now see that it´s not there on the part diagram! The screw is supposed to be between the 2 #13 screws on the front truck. I´m pretty sure it´s not #34. Maybe Märklin forgot about the mystery screw until it was to late to have in their part diagram?  |
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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister
Hej igen Armando!
I studied the part diagram a little bit more close. The screw is not there!! I´ve put 3 circles around the holes on the chassi, the motor case and the front truck where the screw is supposed to be but I now see that it´s not there on the part diagram! The screw is supposed to be between the 2 #13 screws on the front truck. I´m pretty sure it´s not #34. Maybe Märklin forgot about the mystery screw until it was to late to have in their part diagram?
Tack David, det var jättesnällt! I was trying to find the place where the screw should go, and couldn't find it. So I was right that Märklin did not do a good job on their part diagram. It is unbelievable that after at least 5 Big Boy models, their quality control hasn't lifted a finger to correct this mistake. I cannot possibly believe that the problem with this mystery screw has not been brought to their attention before! (Well, now it has, because I've written to both Märklin Kundenservice in Germany and to Walther's to notify them of this problem. I'm curious to see what they are going to respond, if they ever do). BTW, did you take any more closeup pictures of the spot where the screw is supposed to be fixed? Thank you again, David. |
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I'm trying to remove the body on my 37994 Big Boy in order to access the spot where the screw is missing. How does one go about removing the bigger plastic cap that hides one of the two screws that hold the body? I've tried lifting it with my fingers to no avail. And I'm hesitant to insert something in between (like a X-acto knife or needle) for fear that I may damage the surface of the body. How did you all do it?  |
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,296 Location: Scotland
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Hi all,
Can you tell if the screw is missing without dismantling the Loco.
Ian.
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Can you tell if the screw is missing without dismantling the Loco. It should be rattling around inside the box. The other thing to do is try running it. I found my BB kept derailing quite often on my M track layout (usually on curved turnouts), until I put the screw back in. The derailments were caused by the front cardan shaft (#36 in the diagram above) coming out of the front gearbox, which was a direct cause of there being no screw in place. As you have M track Ian, you should know fairly quickly whether you have a problem or not!
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Hi David,
Thanks, to be honest, I've been putting this off, bit disappointed that there could be a possibility that there is a problem, considering what this Loco costs.
Will take it back out the box today and have another closer look.
Thanks again for all the advice given on this "screw".
Well let you know how I get on.
Ian.
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Hopefully, you haven't been 'screwed', Ian!
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Hi David,  Ian.
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Hi all,
Right, the BigBoy is out it's box, all unpacked and I've taken him off the wooden base.
No sign of the "screw".
Visually, could I see if there is a problem.
Ian.
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I'd like to ask this question again, for someone who might care to answer: I'm trying to remove the body on my 37994 Big Boy in order to access the spot where the screw is missing. How does one go about removing the bigger plastic cap that hides one of the two screws that hold the body? I've tried lifting it with my fingers to no avail. And I'm hesitant to insert something in between (like a X-acto knife or needle) for fear that I may damage the enameled finish of the body. Thanks in advance! (BTW: Because I don't like to leave any stone unturned, I sent a note to the Märklin Customer Service including a photo of the screw. I asked them why that screw was found in the box and where it should go, given that the explosion drawing does not show it. So far, no answer ) |
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http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150770379891668&set=a.52922801667.61622.524201667&type=1&theater This is my Big Boy a full blooded DCC loco Trix 22598....Recently repaired...  |
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,296 Location: Scotland
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Hi George, Doesn't work for me, why not just post a photo. Ian.
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Hi Armando,
I'll be interested in the reply also.
Ian.
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Hi all, BigBoy's 37994 and Insider 37990. Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Armando,
I'll be interested in the reply also.
Ian.
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Originally Posted by: Armando Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Armando,
I'll be interested in the reply also.
Ian.
I fear that I will have to wait till the cows come back home for that reply Hi Armando, BigBoy....Cow catcher.....  Ian.
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Beautiful Ian....I wonder if they are doing a newer trix version too... |
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Hi George, Thanks. Ian.
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Glen
Auckland NZ
" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !
CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider |
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Originally Posted by: Armando I'm trying to remove the body on my 37994 Big Boy in order to access the spot where the screw is missing. How does one go about removing the bigger plastic cap that hides one of the two screws that hold the body? I've tried lifting it with my fingers to no avail. And I'm hesitant to insert something in between (like a X-acto knife or needle) for fear that I may damage the surface of the body. How did you all do it? Hey Armando, I am sure it's the same type cap as the 37990 (Which I have) fingernail should work fine, you should be able to catch the ridge very close to the top of the cap. I always have a problem with the smaller one. |
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Hi Glen,
Looking forward to the photo's.
Ian.
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Hi Ian, Our local PO Box & parcel office (they closed the Post Office in my suburb last year) is only open till miday weekdays and 6am - 9am Saturdays Seeing I work afternoons and evenings I slept in too late both days  I'll be up early enough tomorrow (Monday) and post pics this week. Best thing is HM Customs did'nt grab it.  ( sorry Dave ) |
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Auckland NZ
" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !
CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider |
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Originally Posted by: GTSE800 Originally Posted by: Armando I'm trying to remove the body on my 37994 Big Boy in order to access the spot where the screw is missing. How does one go about removing the bigger plastic cap that hides one of the two screws that hold the body? I've tried lifting it with my fingers to no avail. And I'm hesitant to insert something in between (like a X-acto knife or needle) for fear that I may damage the surface of the body. How did you all do it? Hey Armando, I am sure it's the same type cap as the 37990 (Which I have) fingernail should work fine, you should be able to catch the ridge very close to the top of the cap. I always have a problem with the smaller one. Thanks for the tip! I was finally able to remove the cap, but I had to use an X-acto knife (very carefully), and the cap just popped off easily. My fingernails didn't work! Also, after some struggle, I was able to reinsert the "mysterious" screw back in and fasten it again in place. My initial problem has therefore been resolved. I will be posting some closeup pictures that I took of the right spot where the screw goes, so that other users may benefit from them, if they should encounter the same problem with their new or old Big Boys. I was very disappointed that the Marklin Customer Service did not have the grace to answer my question about the screw, and the fact that its location and part number do not appear on the explosion drawing of the loco. I might as well send them an email, including pictures, of the whole operation. I would also like to extend my warmest thanks to David (Klarinettenmeister) for his helpful advise, and for taking the time to write some emails to me to answer my layman's questions. Cheers, Armando |
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Hi Armando, Your photo's will be very helpful...thanks. Ian.
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NP, Armando! I´ve been having alot of concerts lately so I´ve been quite busy, but I tried replying as fast as I could with my phone. Nice to see you solved the problem. It seems like Märklin really should change some technical designs on this model. Why make a model where one screw could screw up this expensive loco? It would have been a lot better if they had a pin up in the loco from the boogie. What do you think of the new motor? |
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Hi All, My one finally arrived today. A very big and impressive beast. Reading the instructions thoroughly is a good idea before handling or attempting to run the Loco  but I haven't run mine yet So as promised here are a few pics  They were a bit rushed I haven't attempted to remove the plug from the boiler dome, as yet, but a fine, but not necessarily razor sharp, knife would be ideal I think, but pleased to read you solved your problem with it Armando The small plug, which is in the plastic parts bag, needs to be rocked over in it's seat and flicked out with a small screw driver, from the instructions as I read them. You'd need to be carefull not too loose it NZMarklinist attached the following image(s): |
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Hi Glen, They are a very special Loco. Ian.
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Glen, They are a very special Loco. Ian. Yes indeed Ian, and they need carefull handling  |
Glen
Auckland NZ
" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !
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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister
What do you think of the new motor?
Hi David, Again big THANK YOU for all your assistance!!! I love the driving features of this new BB. I installed the smoke generators and adjusted the mapping of the F1 output so that the smoke flow would be controlled according to the loco's speed. However, it doesn't seem to work as fine as I expected. Will post pictures as soon as I can. |
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So this loose screw problem the BB's are having, after you tighting it up, does it keep coming loose? or was it that the factory never put it tight enough to begin width? |
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Originally Posted by: GTSE800 So this loose screw problem the BB's are having, after you tighting it up, does it keep coming loose? or was it that the factory never put it tight enough to begin width? After fixing the screw back into place, it shouldn't come loose again. A Märklinist friend of mine has a theory in that maybe they need to loosen the screw at the factory in order to install something else on the loco, and then totally forget about tightening it back again. I think it's a very logical explanation to this enduring mystery. However, I will monitor my BB closely to see if the accursed screw comes loose again after some operation. |
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Hi David, All, I've been thinking about your difficulty in getting the Loco back on its base. I think a piece of extra foam is needed, to put into the large foam from the box lid. It needs to hold the loco up enough to allow easy attachment to the base without forcing anything.  Any owners with experience here like to tell us how they go about getting the loco fastened back on it's base. I'm sure Ian probably hasn't even thought about putting his away, but you'd be well advised to Ian before the move upstairs to the new Train Room I had thought about laying it accross my two Noch Foam Lokliege, (servicing trays) Noch p/n 99354, but if say, I take it to a train show to run on our modules, whilst I do often take one, a more self contained solution would be more convenient. I will be looking around for something suitable. A strip of track underlay might do the job as long as it's clean and not ballasted. eg like the stuff Noch used to make for C Track, now I have a few rolls of that somewhere for my modules hmmm The similar Woodlands Scenic product would probably do the job but its slightly wider at the base and a bit denser or stiffer as well, but may need trimming to get it to sit down in the trough of the Big Boy box lid foam. Before closing the lid of the box for storage, or transportation, I think the extra piece of foam should probably be removed.  |
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Hi Glen,
The BigBoy is back in it's box and also in the excellent heavy cardbox box that Lokshop sent it in....is this Märklin supplied.
How I refit the BigBoy to it's wooden base......
This will sound a little risky, but actually works very well and is very easy to do, after a couple of times.
I do not turn the BigBoy up side down......
Position the spacers on the base and lift the BigBoy into it's position on the wooden base.
It sits there very well when in it's correct position, so I have the wooden base near to the edge of the table/workbase, slide the base over the edge and insert the first screw and tighten, slide it back onto the table, turn it round and do the same with the rear screw, now the BigBoy is located to the base you can lift it slightly by the base and insert the middle screw.
Then it's time to sit back in it's lovely wooden box.
Ian.
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