Hi

what needs to be done to run Lilliput wagons on Marklin track?
I found a really nice set of Lilliput passenger cars ( Rheingold) and want to run it on Marklin tracks
can anybody tell me

thanks

Hi,
I had the same set, but sold it to a fellow Märklinist after Märklin came out with their metal version.
It ran perfectly on Märklin track after the inner spacing of the wheels was adjusted to the 3-rail spec.
The inner spacing (measured between flanges) for two rail is 14.3 mm, the spec for Märklin is 13.8 mm.
You will need a caliper.
Take the axles off, press the wheels together to 13.8 mm, re-assemble and it will run beautifully!
BTW, this is true for any 2-rail vehicle if you cannot find/get 3-rail replacement axles.
Cheers

Hello Harno,

The set is from Vienna production, art. 820. I´ve got that same set. It runs sort of OK on C-track but not without first curing some problems. Make sure the trucks can turn freely, with some of my coaches I had to scrape off some rough edges on the body-underside where the trucks would move against while running thru curves. The big challenge is getting lighting in the coaches, because the couplers cannot easily be replaced with current conducting ones, in fact they cannot be replaced at all without major surgery to the truck frame.
I have tried the solution with individual pick-up shoes per carriage but there isn´t really room for them, ergo: frequent derailments. I have just ordered a set of 11 mm wheels for the coaches, standard issue is 10 mm, see the link provided by Kevin, in hopes that by lifting them up just by 1 mm, it will take some of the excess pressure off the pick-up shoes. The coaches are very light weight indeed and with all five you will have to run them at relatively slow speeds on curvy layouts and across switches, even after adjusting the wheelset flange spacing on the original wheelsets. Partly also because the flange depth on the original is only 1 mm, M standard is 1,3 mm.

Regards, Robert

Dumb question department, apologies in arrears, I have admired John Paolo and Mike C's Liliput Domino in their posts
on that subject. The subject in this post - does this affect ALL Liliput AC models or just ones that you wish to CONVERT
to AC??

Thanks,

Jeremy.

Bingo.

Dr D(want to talk about a BR 95???)

I'm a bit confused how that works. Isn't the axle a solid piece of metal between two solid wheels? How can they be pressed together? And will it still fit in the wheel holders?

Hi all,

Meanwhile I put the 11 mm AC wheelsets on my Lilliput Rheingold set and guess what, it works like a dream! Remember, I´ve got pick-up shoes and mass contacts on every coach (5 in total). Original wheel rim was 10 mm, causing the pick-up shoes to bottom out on the elevated center studs in the switches. The 11 mm wheelsets have cured that problem completely and as an added advantage, friction is reduced to such an extent that even my little T12 class steamer can pull the set of 5 coaches along my entire layout. The new wheelsets came from

http://www.das-service.d...llbahn-radsatz/index.php

See also Kevin´s reference in this thread.

As compared to the original old Lilliput (DC) wheels the finish is also much smoother. Less noise, less friction, more pulling power.

Best regards, Robert

I have had numerous Liliput freight cars and passenger coaches in my collection for many years now. I have not had any major problems with rolling stock from the original Vienna productions, especially as most of the items were delivered with AC wheel sets (provided by the dealers). This includes 30cm DB, FS and SBB passenger coaches, SBB Swiss Express EWIII coaches, SBB Light Steel coaches and various international freight cars.

I have a few Liliput Herpa models. For example, this generation of SBB Light Steel coaches included modified coupling shaft designs, which were often problematic. Others were trouble-free.

I also have a number of Liliput-Bachmann (China) models. The most recent generation of items do suffer from some design and part related problems. Once again, using the SBB Light Steel coaches as an example, Bachmann has improved on the Herpa design for the coupling shafts, but the coaches lack a spacer which would allow the bogies to operate without rubbing against the coach bottom and the coupling shaft. It appears that the coach was designed to include such a part, but I have not seen a single coach that came with this piece. The result is that the wheels rub against the chassis and the coupling mechanism when entering or leaving an inclined or declined area of track.

As far as other models, I was pleased with the SBB EW I coaches in Era III appearance as these coaches have not previously been available in large production. These coaches fit in nicely with the Light Steel coaches. On the downside, it would appear that this coaches are copied from the design of the earlier Lima models. The design of certain model features very closely parallel that of the Lima design. To confirm this, even a little slot in the rear (inside) of bogie design is included. The Lima model had this for a purpose. The Liliput model reproduces this feature but without the purpose.

I was impressed with the SBB Flirt and NPZ Domino trainsets. The first Flirt model had issues with light shining through the white body of the trainset. Using a more solid white dye in the molding process would have resolved this issue, and Bachmann has corrected this on subsequent models. On the NPZ Domino, there have been certain improvements, but Bachmann needs to improve quality and finish to attain the level of Roco, LSM, ACME. A $300 model that lasts 5 minutes is not something that will bring modellers back to your doors for future purchases.

As far as older models like the Rheingold, the 1950s skirted coaches and such, these models were the flagship models of Liliput production at that time and were nicely rendered. I would make sure that the coupling design allows for smooth operation and install AC wheel sets for operation on Maerklin tracks. This will ensure that the models will run smoothly on those layouts. Modellers operating Maerklin M Track should be aware that longer coaches may come into contact with the turnout lanterns and should only be used on tracks that do not involve turning on the inner radii of such switch tracks. These coaches should have no problem operating on R2 and can be used on R1 if turnout lanterns are removed.

Regards

Mike C