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SBB RCe 2/4 Swiss Railcar: Red Arrow (german: Roter Pfeil)
 Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Hi Everyone: I have had 3 of them including the 3127 OeBB but sold the blue one. converted them with an ESU decoder and they run excellent. Noise level: both 3125 and 3126 are quite noisy when driving it at higher speed. One fo the railcars got stuck on the track without me noticing and unfortunately (or fortunate) the DC motor burnt out, you can't get a replacement motor for this railcar anymore and I've opted for the newer version of the Red Arrow. To my surprise they've changed the motor and the new version is so much quieter even at high speed, which it should'nt run anyway. The motor is slightly bigger and some alterations have to be made so the motor can fit. the cardan shaft is the same and the flywheel is slightly bigger as well. excanged the light bulbs with Led's and added a separate interior light function (F1). the running characteristics are excellent, the model is all metal. Yesterday I've removed the small coupling hook and replaced it with a metal one and did the same with a low sided carriage (10th year celebration car), I constructed a small coupling bar, so I can run it with a maintenance carriage as well. Underneath, which I don't need anymore as the Rd Arrow runs of the new errected overhead system, I've drilled a bigger hole so the switch from overhead to rail can be moved sideways. there is enough room to to do the conversion and one day if they get a full sound module I'll add a sound decoder. it has 4 rubber tyres and 2 axles are powered. regards., John Edited by user 05 March 2012 05:25:28(UTC)
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 Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA
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Nice John, look forward to the video.
r/Thomas
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ETE  ECoS iTrain TouchCab C-Gleis German Era Id & IIIb USA Era IIIb SBB Era III SJ Era IV GC Era V |
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 Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,437 Location: Switzerland
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If I may add a small detail: The designation RAe 2/4 doesn't match any of the Red Arrows manufactured by Marklin, because an RAe 2/4 indicates a railcar with first class seating only. All Marklin models follow the prototypes with either 2nd (--> RBe 2/4) or 3rd class (--> RCe 2/4) seating. However, the SBB did have two (slightly modified and longer) prototypes called RAe 2/4 (last road numbers 1001 and 1002), but the only H0 model I am aware of was made by Fulgurex. http://messingers.ch/ima..._RAe_2-4_1001_SBB_01.JPG
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC)
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Location: DE-NW
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Thanks, Stefan, for the prototype information. It seems Märklin only made models of the RBe 2/4 (not RAe 2/4) that were labelled as RBe or RCe. The old #3125 is RBe 2/4 and the new ones (#37865, #37866, #37867) are also RBe 2/4. See also: http://www.hfkern.de/Maerklin/CH_rbe24.html |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: Unholz  If I may add a small detail: The designation RAe 2/4 doesn't match any of the Red Arrows manufactured by Marklin, because an RAe 2/4 indicates a railcar with first class seating only. All Marklin models follow the prototypes with either 2nd (--> RBe 2/4) or 3rd class (--> RCe 2/4) seating. However, the SBB did have two (slightly modified and longer) prototypes called RAe 2/4 (last road numbers 1001 and 1002), but the only H0 model I am aware of was made by Fulgurex. http://messingers.ch/ima..._RAe_2-4_1001_SBB_01.JPG Stefan, thanks for the information I'll change it to RCe 2/4 video of the RCe 2/4 John Edited by user 05 March 2012 05:27:34(UTC)
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 Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway
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Very nice, John. Thanks for the video and photos. When I shortened the propeller shaft 1mm and twisted it 90 degrees the noise level dropped drastically. The modification reduced the axial movement of the motor armature, espesially in curves, ruducing the noise. See photos at http://www.saebonet.com/svein/Tog/sites/ch/3605.htm |
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Originally Posted by: intruder Very nice, John. Thanks for the video and photos. When I shortened the propeller shaft 1mm and twisted it 90 degrees the noise level dropped drastically. The modification reduced the axial movement of the motor armature, espesially in curves, ruducing the noise. See photos at http://www.saebonet.com/svein/Tog/sites/ch/3605.htm After having followed the instructions on your page (as stated in my blue arrow thread) the noise level decreased a lot so I can also recommend doing this as the arrow in it's original state has to much bad noise to be enjoyable. Oliver |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: intruder Very nice, John. Thanks for the video and photos. When I shortened the propeller shaft 1mm and twisted it 90 degrees the noise level dropped drastically. The modification reduced the axial movement of the motor armature, espesially in curves, ruducing the noise. See photos at http://www.saebonet.com/svein/Tog/sites/ch/3605.htm Svein, You went all the way, I have to have another look and see what I can do. the straw is a simple idea and solution. I formed the new coupling hook like the original and the end result is the new coupling doesn't slide out when reversing or pushing, which was an afterthought in practice but I did'nt have to remodel the hook. John |
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Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway
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Tonight I found another small issue with my Roter Pfeil 3605. When driving on my C-tracks, the "magnet" under the 3605 hits the lantern on a 24612 switch. The lantern is pushed fully down.  Before hitting, the "magnet" was straight and in correct position. The photo is from attemt no. five or something. Has anybody else experienced this phenomena? |
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Svein, Have to have a look if they are still there, although I haven't driven over the sleek turnouts as yet, as far as I can remember. the sleek turnouts are not a problem ist's the standard ones as you pointed out. Svein, you are right, the magnet does interfere with the lantern. I've selected one solution: with a dremel drill remove about 1-1,5mm of the slot and this enables the magnet to sit in deeper in the pocket and a free run without turning the turnout automatically or ripping off the lantern. Another option I've looked at, to reduce the debth of the magnet but cutting it being plastic one may ruin the hole shoe. and here are some pictures of the delicate but effictive operation. The first picture shows the reduced height of the pocket. because the magnet sits higher in the pocket the clop no lionger serves its function a cut off toothpick and a tiny drop of super glue has been used to hold the magnet in its up position second picture the original position third picture shows the pocket the magnet sits in it. Another change from the old to the new motor, the driving shaft coupling pocket is no longer metal, its plastic and this must have helped to reduce the noise level as well. John Edited by user 05 March 2012 08:36:22(UTC)
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 Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece
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Originally Posted by: intruder Tonight I found another small issue with my Roter Pfeil 3605. When driving on my C-tracks, the "magnet" under the 3605 hits the lantern on a 24612 switch. The lantern is pushed fully down. Before hitting, the "magnet" was straight and in correct position. The photo is from attemt no. five or something. Has anybody else experienced this phenomena? I had this experience with 3126 and 37691 BR 19 with her plastic skirts around the wheels.
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Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,894 Location: Keene, NH
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I have decided to go ahead and order the new OeBB 37867 model.  These are rolling out of the factory and have shown up on ebay already. Has anyone in Europe received this model yet? |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: mmervine I have decided to go ahead and order the new OeBB 37867 model. These are rolling out of the factory and have shown up on ebay already. Has anyone in Europe received this model yet? You should find the new motor is very quite John |
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