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Joined: 11/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 187 Location: , Sweden
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After testing the new UP F7 37629, i came to this conclution: 1) The engine sound is sometimes unstable and swaing at idle and low speed. 2) The loco is not a perfect smooth runner. Jerks a bit when start or stop. 3) The two motors is not exactly synchronized. Has anybody else noticed theese problems? Edited by user 23 October 2012 11:43:32(UTC)
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Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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I have not run mine yet and it will be a little while before I am able to.
Robert
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Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY
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Hi Caboose, no such trouble with mine (total of running time ~ 3 hours, so far). Given your track is super clean (MFX, you know) - I'd send her back to dealer ...
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Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg
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Hej Caboose! I also have some problems with my unit. There are no problems with my sound at all. But the engine starts and stops very abruptly. I have exactly the same symptoms on my 37624 F7. On the 37624 I had worse problems with very bad running and found out the magnet was not aligned properly but the problem disappeared when I changed the magnet. But this doesn´t explain the sound problems. Watch the video I made: My video on Youtube |
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Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY
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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister  On the 37624 I had worse problems with very bad running and found out the magnet was not aligned properly but the problem disappeared when I changed the magnet.
Hi David - clever solution, congratulations  But then why did you do M's job? Loco out of warranty? |
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Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY
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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister  ... the engine starts and stops very abruptly.
Your video on #37629 looks and sounds like you've got acc & brake delay (F4) disengaged ...  |
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg
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I don´t like sending away my locos. Instead I fix them myself. I´ve also heard Märklin are very strict on their return policy. They won´t repair the items on warranty if they see that the loco has been opened. Is this really true?
No. These were the factory presets. I didn´t change anything before making the video. |
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Joined: 11/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 187 Location: , Sweden
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@ John. The track was cleaned before this loco been tested. @ klarinett. I have seen your video before. Interesting to hear that you also have some problems with 37629 and 37624 before that.
I have the older 37622 with just one electric motor. This loco runs very fine and smooth, and no problems with sound or jerking start/stop. It seams like one motor can be a better choise than two. (My theory) |
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Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY
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Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister  I´ve also heard M are very strict on their return policy. They won´t repair items on warranty if they see that the loco has been opened. Is this really true?
I too would think so. But then (if operating carefully) they were in need of a crime lab to get you  |
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY
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Originally Posted by: Caboose  John. The track was cleaned before this loco been tested.
Caboose (sorry, forgot your first name and it's not in yer profile) - knowing you for quite some time of course I had anticipated you run a clean track for testing  Mentioned it just to be on the safe side. Funny, I too own the #37622 AT&SF F7 for many years and (let alone number of motors and a more modern decoder generation) for me they show very similar running characteristics. Guess our personal impressions on various models really can be a bit different, indeed ...  |
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Joined: 28/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 880 Location: Augusta, GA USA
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I have not tried mine yet or the previous F7 release due to a move. I am just now laying track on my new layout.But:
Opening a lok should not void warranty. How else could you do Marklin recommended oiling during the warranty period?
Two motors run great on all mine.
Eric
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Joined: 14/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 58 Location: Katonah, NY
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As a Marklin dealer, I can assure you that merely opening a locomotive to perform "routine" maintenance (cleaning, oiling, replacing brushes) will not void your warranty -- assuming you purchased this from an authorized dealer in the first place.
As for your problem with the motors not running smoothly together, I suggest that you do remove the locomotive housings and check for any pinched wires or loose solder connections. Also check to see that the decoder (21-pin) is securely affixed to the motherboard. I recently had a situation with a customer's set where the decoder was loose and pressing it on fixed the problem.
In multiple-motor setups, I've often found that uneven running can be nothing more complicated than one motor not being properly lubricated. It is a very simple matter (with these F7's) to remove the entire motor and clean out any existing lubrication. Then, re-apply lubrication and put the motors back together. The key here is to make sure you (a) use the correct amount of lubrication -- most people use way too much and (b) make sure you lubricate both motors the same.
If the problem persists, it could be a matter of the two armatures not being identical. Swapping one (or the other) with another locomotive's armature will confirm this. It's not likely that this is the problem, but if you don't want to go to the trouble and/or expense of sending this back for repair, it is certainly worth a try, and not difficult to do. |
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Joined: 11/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 187 Location: , Sweden
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@ John. Well sometimes the impressions can be different But it also seems that there sometimes can be a big variation in locomotives behavior, even if they have the same number. @ rjf. Interesting. In my loco the decoder also was loose. And i mean totally loose. It had fallen off, but that was easy to fix. A friend of mine also had a fallen off decoder on his loco. (No good mounting there). I now have study the loco real cloose. Total driving about 3 hours. I have given both motors a tiny drop of Marklin-oil. The gearwheels seams to have the right amount of oil from the factory. The jerking when start or stop can be real bad. Sometimes the loco hesitate or being "loocked" in a few seconds in the starting moment - And then go off with an abrubt jumpstart  . I have pinpointed out the rear motor as giving the bad behavior. But where the sours of the problem is situated is not so easy to say. On top of this is the swaying and instable diesel motor sound.. |
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Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,
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Originally Posted by: Caboose  After testing the new UP F7 37629, i came to this conclution:
1) The engine sound is sometimes unstable and swaing at idle and low speed.
2) The loco is not a perfect smooth runner. Jerks a bit when start or stop.
3) The two motors is not exactly synchronized.
Has anybody else noticed theese problems?
In MRR more than 90% of isues or failures are a matter of bad electrical contact...don't forget it 
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Joined: 11/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 187 Location: , Sweden
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Update! Maybe som of you have new info about bad behavior on 37629, 37624 and brothers/sisters. |
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Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece
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My 37624 runs like a dream,not a problem at all.Have you change the motor brushes?
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Joined: 11/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 187 Location: , Sweden
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Change motor brushes? No I see no point in that - The loco is new, only 3 hours driving |
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Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece
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If you have the brushes change them just to be sure there is no problem with them.I had this problem with my Rio Grande Alco,i change them very soon.The big weight of these locos maybe is responsible for this.It is your decision.
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Joined: 11/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 187 Location: , Sweden
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Well, brusches is now chanched and the loco runs bad and jerky anyway |
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Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece
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Originally Posted by: Caboose  Well, brusches is now chanched and the loco runs bad and jerky anyway I am sorry i do not help you.I hope you find a sollution for your f7.
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