bye bye good old articulated frame...

BTW : what are those "bell shape armature" motors....what is the advantage of "bell shape armature" , is it the rotating part or the fixed part of the motor ?...

Anymore new items?

I hope on 8 or 9 of January we know a little bit more

Woohoo!

New tooling BR50 is coming...
no motor in the cab, super fine detailing, also new tooling T26 tender.

I like this one better than the BR50.40.

A new BR44 too please!

Ditto here please!

I guess to make the translation complete: "... Rod sleeves and remslagen included. ..." - "remslagen" should read "remslangen" which translates into "brake hoses", thus it should read:

"... Rod sleeves and brake hoses included. ..."

The lesson learned here is that Google translate doesn't handle typing errors.

(Due to the fact that I've studied some Dutch, I suspected a typo and looked up the word "slangen" in a Dutch - Dutch dictionary and that confirmed the typo. "Slangen" is plural of "slang" meaning "hose" in English. Then for non Swedish speakers, I can add that hose in Swedish is called "slang (pl. slangar)" which shows the relation between Dutch as a Germanic language and Swedish, which is also Germanic, in this case [whereas the German word "Schlauch" is much more far away]).

Edited by user 25 December 2011 16:02:48(UTC)  | Reason: Correcting typo

Please compare with a special issue in 1993: Marklin 3419,Dutch BR50 in grey and black,sells currently around Euro 135.- on internet.
This loco also shown in Marklin book 'Wertanlage' (guide for collectors).

I'm wanting the Br44 as the blue box retro item, i.e. 30470......!!


Beyond that, not sure if I want another Br44, I've got 5 already!

Thanks Paul,

First on Dutch and Germanic languages. Having Swedish as my mother toungue I understand Danish and Norwegian rather well - both spoken and written - without being capable of speaking or writing it. In school I've studied German and then having travelled to the Netherlands and northern Belgium it was often possible to understand signs and newspaper articles combining my knowledge of German and Enlish as well as Swedish, but I never really understood it spoken. Therefore I took some courses at the Stockholm University sort of just for fun and this means that I now understand relatively well spoken Dutch and as a bonus know some of the words which look similar in Dutch and German without having similar meaning. Getting back to the "slangen" in my dictionary (Wolters Nederlands Koenen) there were many explanantions and among other things the reference to "tuinslang" confirmed to me that remslang means "brake hose". I knew that rem means brake, since my studies and refreshed from driving in NL (most recetly in June this year) where warning signs say something like (I don't remember if this is the exact wording): 'Nieuw wegdek - Langere remweg' or 'New road surface - longer braking distances'.

Second on the Märklin model: Although I probably have more steam lokos than I should a new BR 50 in era III or IV (if they lasted that long) could fit in on my future layout. I would go for a DB version though, since I try to focus on fewer countries now (Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria and Italy). (I have a few NS models, but I don't think I'll get any new ones and the same goes for SNCF,SBB/CFF/FFS, NSB and SNCB/NMBS).

Being from Sweden a country without coal mines but lots of rivers suitable for hydro power plants, Sweden started early with electrification of main lines, in part due to the shortages in coal during world war I. This has influenced me and it means that on my earlier layout and on my future, there will be mostly electrified lines and since I'm using models from basically era III through VI, electric and diesel lokos dominate.

I would think the German version will be delivered before the NS version.

Marklin.nl has a habit of late of announcing new models way ahead of Marklin.de

After this year's BR50.40, we can expect Marklin to begin releasing new decapod models.
BR44 and BR52 will surely follow this new BR50.
Some will moan the death of the old articulated decapod models with huge DCM rotor in the cabin,
whose days are now numbered.

But IMO Marklin had been losing ground vs Roco or others in this segment, so the new model is badly needed.

The three locos you are quoting are all second hand, and toolings from the 1950s or 1960s with primitive detailing and basic motor and eletrical technology. Although they are excellent models they are not likely to fetch the same prices as brand new, state of the art models with digital decoders, sound and other functions. These locos by Roco and Fleischmann are in the same league. Notice that they are in the same price range as the Marklin new loco (more expensive in fact!):

http://www.roco.cc/produ...-der-db-mit-sound-3.html = €404

http://www.fleischmann.d...ive-br-43-der-drg-2.html = €429

But the new BR 50.40 has no articulated frame and only two traction tyres (on the fourth powered axle). With a little crease in the track the traction tyres will lift off.
So people might encounter traction problems with this loco on existing layouts where other locos work fine.

RayF,
You are fully correct of course about the state of the art technology.
The point i was trying to make is that when you have limited money to spend there are alternative ways of spending it on M trains.
It all depends on your personal interest.
For me,grown up in the late fifties and early sixties,the Primex models are relics of my youth and in actual fact i call them the real Marklin as opposed to the sophisticated models of today with all the added on plastic parts.
For the same reason i prefer the tin plate coaches over the plastic coaches.
The first version of the P8 BR38 in 1967 was a sensation and a must-have,i do recall.

Marklin nearly escaped bankruptcy a year ago and i dear to say that in the current economic climate the average man in the street is not prepared to spend Euro 400.- on a black steamer.
I much more would advocate M to issue more models in the Euro 150.- range,albeit with less detail than the high end models.
I have no insight in Marklin marketing strategies for the years ahead but i consider it likely that the My world budget range will be extended to attract a larger group of buyers,and at the same time a limited release of high end expensive models to satisfy the more wealthy clients.
If it is only going to be locos at Euro 400.- each and starterkits at Euro 1,000.- plus,i foresee a difficult time for the Maerklin shops!

2012 new items will be on Marklin database before the Nurnberg Toy fair 1-6 Feb 2012.

But some news on 2012 items at middle of Jan 2012.

Roland, it sounds like you may know something we don't...

Has anyone actually experienced poor traction with these new chassis, or are we just speculating?

I have noticed a tendancy on this forum for speculation to move directly to being "known fact", without the necessary step of anyone actually having run the item in question yet!

I think these new toolings are exiting news, and I'm looking forward to comparing the running characteristics. It might turn out that there is some loss of traction, but the improved smoothness and quite running, as well as the much improved looks and detail accuracy might more than compensate for this.

Maybe we need to pay a bit more attention to good tracklaying on our layouts to benefit from improved looks and performance!

Rumours say fewer traction tyres reduce problems with contact and radio interference.

They'd have to do all radio interference tests again if they make such a fundamental design change.

It seems that tractive effort of the new BR 50.40 is not bad if you have smooth transitions between inclines. I still have to make my own tests to find if it's good or just OK (for me).
Only 2 traction tyres could be a problem on C track R1 and R2 turnouts where wheels run on the flanges an traction tyres are lifted off the rail.

At the last club meeting, we had a crease in the track (layout across several tables). BR 50.40 had no problems (even though the fourth power axle with the traction tyres was lifted off at that spot) - but it was pulling a short train (15 cars, 30 axles, all cars running lightly).
Märklin's BR 05 (streamlined) came to a stand-still at that spot (presumably with all powered axles hanging in the air). Two pieces of cardboard fixed the problem for the BR 05.

First new items 2012 detail (still yet to confirm.)

37436 Electric locomotive BR 143 DB AG.
36426 Diesel locomotive BR 232 PCC rail.
37318 BR 111, DB AG.
37462 Series re 460, SBB.
39895 BR 189.


And possible all new BR94.

Maybe BR45 (75 years of class).

The information is from Stummi's forum. The 37318 was already reported in earlier years.

Some enthusiasts play trial and error to find explosion diagrams or other evidence for unknown locomotives.

The PDF file for 39895 was created in March 2008. Whatever that may mean ...

Steventrain,any confirmed steam locos?

Hello all,

You can find the first new items now in a PDF-document on my website: RMW - Märklin News 2012.



Maikel (RMW)

It seems as like the VT 75 could be an improved re-edition of the model made by Trix years ago. I think I'm going to order it, as it served on many branch lines in this region.

The BR 94, on the other hand, does not thrill me very much, because I already own the excellent Fleischmann model, a DB version as well as the KPEV Länderbahn version.

Regards,
Florian