Lima also production ET403 as well, Price for mint/boxed about 99 Euro each.

http://www.ebay.de/sch/M...p;_trksid=p3286.c0.m1538

Hi Kimball,

Thanks for your moral support.
Must add that the ET403 was in daily intercity service as from 1974,with planned servicespeed of 200 km/h.
Unfortunately,the concept was killed by its own success,because the DB was not able to upgrade tracks to 200 km/h requirements in time.
The ET403 was therefore forced to run at reduced speeds and gradually service was taken over by loco pulled trains.

Talking about ugly trains in intercity service,in Holland the socalled Mat 54 trains were nicknamed Hondekoppen (Dogheads) because of their distinctive noses.
They came into service between 1956 and 1962 and were put aside between 1989 and 1996.
A total of 73 4-unit trains and 68 2-unit trains were built,in addition 12 2-unit trains were built for traffic cross-border with Belgium as from 1957,the latter were put aside as from 1986.
The Dognoses were ugly trains and still very popular till this very day.
The service speed was upto 140 km/h,they were very heavy weight even for their own era,and they were built to last forever.
Trix (before taken over by Marklin) had an early model of this train in green livery,Piko nowadays produces the green,yellow and blue versions,albeit in plastic,of course.
So,all in all,uglyness does not tell the full story.

And,to conclude,why is it that we think steamers are so beautiful?
Upon closer look,most steamers are very ugly,they are very functional machines,their only purpose being carrying the heavy loads for human kind.
What is so beautiful about a series BR52 steamer,i just wonder.

Paul.

... now, did it work?

Correct Stephen, and it will also be built "mostly of metal".

regards
Kimball

Thank you marklin.I just save 700,00 euro.

I guess all europe has to (ireland, portugal, spain, italy, maybe france etc) i guess this remark is out of topic and unacceptable.

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Right, Nikos - such remark is out of place, indeed. Embarrassing, too.
And now please allow me to correct your statement a bit, my friend

Well, it isn't Europe alone. Never was. Add Japan, UK and USA to get da picture.
Since all of our four currencies are so deeply in debt - nobody can pay back, ever.

Game over. It's quitting time

Thanks Stephan for sharing this with us. I saw the cover for the 6/2011 Insider Club News on Märklin's International website, and it truly is an awful looking thing!

Does anybody know what sound functions it has? Because if it has almost nothing, then my budget for Märklin stuff will be used for other things this coming year.

Cheers!

Tadzio.

Oh yes I like this lok too , soft & balanced shape... Heavy metal model, and externally treated in a same way as for the recent Austrian class 1018...imagine !

Now back to the model discussion...
Märklin, please don't force me to get a BR58 from some other manufacturer... I'm patient, but please bring it around within the next 3 years...

Me Too

I'm afraid I've had to take that plunge with the Br06 Streamlined.......

Courage means investing anything between Euro 500,000.- and Euro 1,000.000.- on a model not produced before.
Of course this is a rough estimate.
One should take into account the total cost of Research and Development,including new tooling.
I do recall the cost of producing the 2001 Insider Big Boy was some Euro 1,000.000.- .
For a company which went nearly bankrupt i call this courage.
If it was choosen out of six models pinpointed by Insider members it shows that M is listening to their loyal fans,which is good.
Nevertheless,the investment has to be paid back somehow,so M is taking a risk financially.

Using your definition of courage NS1200, I guess most companies in the world deserves a Purple Heart...
It seems very important to you to put positive labels on Märklin. And why not. I like Märklin too, so let's call them brave.
And when they produce the loco in my Avatar with new tooling, we can call them the bravest of the brave.

/Torbjörn

Can I take it from the German version of episode 38 of Marklin TV that one of the other Insider Club locos will be the Tee version of the Br218 Diesel (218-217-8)?

Time to go N gauge then!