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Bigdaddynz		#51 Posted : 21 November 2011 01:30:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Would still prefer a BR58... Nah, Br06 Streamlined, preferably Red, for me. Did I say that before...............?? I've decided I'd rather have a Br59 before I get a Br58, but if Marklin forces my hand by releasing a Br58 before a new Br59, then so be it.
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Goofy		#52 Posted : 21 November 2011 10:11:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,284		Originally Posted by: Webmaster I want a BR58 in DRG livery - now! I want a G10 in länderbahn livery - now!
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Goofy		#53 Posted : 21 November 2011 10:12:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,284		An Crampton locomotiv will been excellent too!
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#54 Posted : 21 November 2011 11:01:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: ,		I joined the insider club and I expect the BR58 next year
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steventrain		#55 Posted : 21 November 2011 18:12:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Marklin TV said no steam for 2012. No steam, No profit for Marklin.
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KingBuick		#56 Posted : 21 November 2011 18:27:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 456 Location: IAD, DCA		Originally Posted by: steventrain Marklin TV said no steam for 2012. No steam, No profit for Marklin. That's too bad that Märklin is not producing a steam loco for Insiders in 2012. Maybe a good diesel or electric loco, or powered rail car or train set instead? I liked the Senator from 2008 and the TEE from 2001 (or was it 2002?) a lot. Too bad I didn't have enough $ to get the Senator back then! It's a gorgeous set... Cheers! Tadzio.
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Goofy		#57 Posted : 21 November 2011 19:26:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,284		Swedish Dm3 perhaps...?
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Western Pacific		#58 Posted : 21 November 2011 22:59:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		Originally Posted by: steventrain Marklin TV said no steam for 2012. No steam, No profit for Marklin. Perhaps on the opposite. Perhaps too many Märklin club members have, as I have, neglected ordering steam loks for the past couple of years. And, who knows, perhaps they've seen a down going trend in steam lok orders. For my budget, a Dm+Dm3+Dm, as Goofy suggests, would be a bit of a disaster and this even if I have two livery versions from Roco and I'm working on one based on an article in Märklin Magazin sometime in the late 1970ies I think it was. That lok will be based on Märklin's 3030 but modified to have four driving wheels and with three motors it should be very strong (provided that I can find a decoder that can take the load of three motors). Further, if Märklin spends resources to develop this Swedish lok, then there will be livery version in the years to come, so there is a real threat to my budget! On the other hand, I'd personally guess it would be a German diesel.
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RayF		#59 Posted : 21 November 2011 23:40:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		If it isn't a steamer then the V320 is the next best choice in my opinion. As far as diesels go it's an impressive piece of work. I might even break my "outsider" rule and actually try and get hold of one!
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H0		#60 Posted : 21 November 2011 23:53:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,460 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Swedish Dm3 perhaps...? Not on the list that's around since the IMA 2011. Six locos, we can strike two steamers, so remaining locos are: E 95, V 320, 403, and ET 30. Would I buy them? Yes (if era III), yes, probably (wanna see the livery first), extremely unlikely. Or something completely different if the list turns out to be faked ... Dm3? Extremely unlikely as first H0 Insider Model in 2012 ... but never say never ...
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jeehring		#61 Posted : 22 November 2011 00:52:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: RayF If it isn't a steamer then the V320 is the next best choice in my opinion. As far as diesels go it's an impressive piece of work. I might even break my "outsider" rule and actually try and get hold of one! yessss !....A ROARING 6 axles V 320....recently digitalized sound ...imagine !
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Bigdaddynz		#62 Posted : 22 November 2011 02:45:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: jeehring yessss !....A ROARING 6 axles V 320....recently digitalized sound ...imagine ! It's a really ugly loco though......
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pab		#63 Posted : 22 November 2011 09:54:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		According to the latest Märklin TV it's not a steamer
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#64 Posted : 22 November 2011 10:17:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: ,		I am severely disappointed its not a BR58,I usually prefer steam over electric or diesel,I reckon those Landerbahn insider models would sell more
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RayF		#65 Posted : 22 November 2011 10:29:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: jeehring yessss !....A ROARING 6 axles V 320....recently digitalized sound ...imagine ! It's a really ugly loco though...... Don't you like it, David? I think it's one of the prettiest diesels I've seen on the DB. It's like a 216 but longer, faster and more powerful...
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Bigdaddynz		#66 Posted : 22 November 2011 11:29:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		Ray, I must admit that that is the best picture I've seen of the V320, all the others made it look a bit of an ugly duckling.
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Weltenbummler		#67 Posted : 22 November 2011 17:41:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 459 Location: Berlin (D)		Im still hoping for an ET 403 by Märklin.It would perfectly suit my little collection And it would be the first insider club model being bought by me since I bought my last one, even I can't remember when that happend
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keigwin		#68 Posted : 22 November 2011 17:46:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 43 Location: Boston, MA		Originally Posted by: KingBuick Originally Posted by: steventrain Marklin TV said no steam for 2012. No steam, No profit for Marklin. That's too bad that Märklin is not producing a steam loco for Insiders in 2012. Maybe a good diesel or electric loco, or powered rail car or train set instead? I liked the Senator from 2008 and the TEE from 2001 (or was it 2002?) a lot. Too bad I didn't have enough $ to get the Senator back then! It's a gorgeous set... Cheers! Tadzio. It is still available at Modellbahn Collectors and others if you are interested. I love that set!
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steventrain		#69 Posted : 22 November 2011 19:14:28(UTC) Retweet
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supermoee		#70 Posted : 24 November 2011 16:48:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, News 6/2011 is online now. Gauge HO Insider Modell: ET403 Gauge Z: Steamer BR001 rgds Stephan
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vilithejou		#71 Posted : 24 November 2011 16:49:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: steventrain 6/2011 package may be out next week. And the Insider modell 2012 is... The Donald Duck In metall and 93,5 scale. In Insider 06/2011 is online
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jeehring		#72 Posted : 24 November 2011 17:11:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: vilithejou Originally Posted by: steventrain 6/2011 package may be out next week. And the Insider modell 2012 is... The Donald Duck In metall and 93,5 scale. In Insider 06/2011 is online Era 4 = quite rare for an Insider model. Youngest generation of Marklinists + German market oriented choice... They will see if those who vote are those who buy... BTW : which livery....the "airport" yellow/white livery ? Any special features ? That is great : I'll save money this year, no Insider model for me. Finally I'm very happy to have booked the Franco Crosti BR 50-40 + the 2 sets of wagons this year.... I hope Marklin one day will make the VT 92....it may be a strange model, very cute...(and not many versions are possible...only one or two, so it's a good niche for a unique Insider model...)
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steventrain		#73 Posted : 24 November 2011 18:04:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: jeehring I'll save money this year, no Insider model for me. Same here.
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Marius in Africa		#74 Posted : 24 November 2011 19:44:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: jeehring ................That is great : I'll save money this year, no Insider model for me..............)[/i] I see very little spending and a major surplus looming in my model rail budget for 2012, thanks Marklin. Depends also on what Brawa does, but i think my spending will be low for 2012.
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Webmaster		#75 Posted : 24 November 2011 19:50:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		I have all classic Donald Duck videos by Disney, so this is nothing for me...
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steventrain		#76 Posted : 24 November 2011 20:00:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		I think the ET403 price too high, I think it is 799 Euro.
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Weltenbummler		#77 Posted : 24 November 2011 20:01:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 459 Location: Berlin (D)		Originally Posted by: jeehring ... BTW : which livery....the "airport" yellow/white livery ? Any special features ? Livery will be the IC grey and red. Some sounds, interior lights and driverstand light combined switchable, mfx, oder no. 37778. Price not known yet.
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Webmaster		#78 Posted : 24 November 2011 20:10:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Thomas, seems like you will buy an insider model next year after the long period of absence...
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vilithejou		#79 Posted : 24 November 2011 20:12:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: steventrain I think the ET403 price too high, I think it is 799 Euro. The train is like VT08.5, 39081 is 600€... for instant a "same" price I think will be 649,95€
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Weltenbummler		#80 Posted : 24 November 2011 20:33:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 459 Location: Berlin (D)		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Thomas, seems like you will buy an insider model next year after the long period of absence... Hi Juhan, I definately will do so, even it's not my favorised Lufthansa version
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Webmaster		#81 Posted : 24 November 2011 20:55:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		I'm sure they will repaint & resell it in all possible versions, also Lufthansa, since it is a new model mould for M...
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jeehring		#82 Posted : 24 November 2011 21:03:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Weltenbummler Originally Posted by: jeehring ... BTW : which livery....the "airport" yellow/white livery ? Any special features ? Livery will be the IC grey and red. Some sounds, interior lights and driverstand light combined switchable, mfx, oder no. 37778. Price not known yet. Thank you IC red & grey livery.....I find it less bad than yellow/white.... As there is a large windscreen , the lighting of the driver cab should be carefully done + plenty of interior details...
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Bigdaddynz		#83 Posted : 24 November 2011 21:53:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: vilithejou And the Insider modell 2012 is... The Donald Duck Yuk, Yukety, Yuk Yuk Yuk! At least my credit card will have some relief!
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pab		#84 Posted : 24 November 2011 21:54:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		It's not a steamer, so no insider for me in 2012. Maybe they bring an extra one like this year.
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kimballthurlow		#85 Posted : 25 November 2011 03:53:34(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#86 Posted : 25 November 2011 04:04:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow I can imagine it being a winner with many collectors. NOT!
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#87 Posted : 25 November 2011 04:35:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: ,		Who voted for the ET403 cause it just made me throw up
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#88 Posted : 25 November 2011 05:08:40(UTC) Retweet
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old toot		#89 Posted : 25 November 2011 05:16:57(UTC) Retweet
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ozzman		#90 Posted : 25 November 2011 06:16:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,828 Location: Sydney, Australia		Originally Posted by: supermoee Hello, News 6/2011 is online now. Gauge HO Insider Modell: ET403 Gauge Z: Steamer BR001 rgds Stephan No Insider for me either, assuming M* are capable of getting this one out in 2012 anyway. I'm going through a "I-don't-like-pacifics" phase at the moment.
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river6109		#91 Posted : 25 November 2011 06:58:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		if its a BR 403 I'm looking at it but the price most probably will prevent me from buying it. John
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river6109		#92 Posted : 25 November 2011 07:03:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: jeehring yessss !....A ROARING 6 axles V 320....recently digitalized sound ...imagine ! It's a really ugly loco though...... Don't you like it, David? I think it's one of the prettiest diesels I've seen on the DB. It's like a 216 but longer, faster and more powerful... It will be interesting to see if they have gone with this one. ESU bought out 2 diesel locos but not a BR 320 and so has Brawa, Insider members maybe buying anything that comes under an insider loco, perhaps there is also a hint of investment interest attached to it. John
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H0		#93 Posted : 25 November 2011 08:02:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,460 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 Who voted for the ET403 cause it just made me throw up I didn't vote for "ET403" (coz it ne'er existed - reading such nonsense makes me throw up). I didn't vote for BR 403/404 either. Insider Club is not strictly democratic, but the minority should have respect for the vote of the majority. That's life. Many era II and III models in the poll, and only few era IV models. Therefore the era IV got many votes (the principle of divide and conquer). This is not the end of the world as we know it and the poll will be used for IMHO at least the next 10 Insider Models. The votes of fans of eras II and III are not lost, their favourite models will come in the future. BTW: Never seen a "BR 320" - neither prototype nor model. Märklin made a BR 323. My favourite was "BR V 320". Life goes on, and I look forward to seeing it in one of the next years. If you don't like BR 403/404: be happy that you can save some money (or spend it for other things) and don't spoil the fun of those who like it. Don't forget: Era II steamers will also make many people feel sick - you don't wanna read that when your favourite model comes ...
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vilithejou		#94 Posted : 25 November 2011 08:22:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		My vote on Insider poll where three Steamers, BR 58, T18 and C5/6 elephant.... But this train is wonderful for me!!! I will buy it... It's so estrange but I like it. Hope that on general news on 2012 we have some products of the list of the poll!!!!
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Bigdaddynz		#95 Posted : 25 November 2011 10:52:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: H0 ......but the minority should have respect for the vote of the majority. That's life. Originally Posted by: H0 ....and don't spoil the fun of those who like it......you don't wanna read that when your favourite model comes ... Originally Posted by: H0 ....I didn't vote for "ET403" (coz it ne'er existed)...... Given that NZ has a Governmental election tomorrow (Saturday), those of us here are well acustomed and atuned to having respect for the vote of the majority. I certainly don't have a problem with those who want to buy the ET403/Donald Duck/Whatever the Heck it is Called, that is their right as well as it is their money! And I hope they enjoy it, just as I will enjoy whatever I do or don't buy with the money saved from not buying the ET403/Donald Duck/Whatever the Heck it is Called. (Mr Google seems to think it is called an ET403) I also have the right to express my dislike for it, just as much as others have the right to express their liking for it, which some have done here in this thread. Expressing a dislike is not disrespecting anyone else, it is just stating how I feel about this particular model, which is my right in a free society. I'm certainly not intending to disrespect anyone here, and I apologise if anyone thinks I have. And as far as not wanting to read disparaging comments about a model I like, I guess that goes with the territory. Not everyone likes what I like, and in a free society they are free to say that! Edited by user 25 November 2011 22:06:05(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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David Dewar		#96 Posted : 25 November 2011 11:45:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,462 Location: Scotland		Not for me but we all have different tastes. Marklin know that many Insiders will buy whatever model they produce for them and it should sell well. Being overpriced in my view if it makes good profits then it keeps Marklin going. dave
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old toot		#97 Posted : 25 November 2011 11:46:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 498 Location: christchurch, canterbury		al right David the elections are over tomorrow we can all go back to buying trains on monday well we could turn the duck into what the auckland trains from spain will look like in 2 years after the jaffas have had a little painting class and the photo I found and passed on the Alex who posted it up here has got me smiling its called weathering !!! did you catch up with winston might be an illegal candidate evidently according to their party rules a person cannot go on the list paper unless they are on a electoral seat first and as he not standing in any seat he cant stand which could make the next few days interesting so his party could get in and he end up out which would be ironic eh happy voting tomorrow regards old toot
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steventrain		#98 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:06:44(UTC) Retweet
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Marius in Africa		#99 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:30:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Is this the first time that Marklin manufactures the ET403?
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vilithejou		#100 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:59:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Is this the first time that Marklin manufactures the ET403? Yes ET403 is manufactured for Rivarossi a few years ago...
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