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Offline kariosls37  
#51 Posted : 04 September 2011 01:47:00(UTC)
kariosls37

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Thanks Fred and Glenn.
No progress to report onThumbDown A 300 is taking up most of the time, but she's almost up to the painting stage. Then I will have more time to do the last jobs on the BR 23
Offline Dimi194  
#52 Posted : 04 September 2011 05:49:35(UTC)
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Looks epic. Well done, and I trust you "enjoyed" the experience ;)
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Offline kariosls37  
#53 Posted : 13 September 2011 10:39:26(UTC)
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Thanks Dimi

Finally there is some progress to report on the BR 23 front.
There were a few spots where the red didn't completely cover, but that was quickly solved with a paintbrush. The insides of the rear lights were then given a coat of white. The other things to be painted white were the running numbers.
Plan A was to carefully paint the numbers by hand. I very quickly realised that it was not going to work. Off to plan B then. this involved first painting the whole numberplate white. I left it overnight to completely cure the paint ready for the next step. The next day I painted the whole numberplate, including numbers black. While the paint was still wet, I stretched a bit of clean cloth over my finger, and lightly brushed the paint off the raised surfaces.
If you work carefully, you get this:
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With the touch ups done, the loco is ready for a coat of varnish. As soon as that is ready, I can reassemble the locoWoot

Thanks for watching

Rick
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Offline river6109  
#54 Posted : 16 September 2011 06:54:30(UTC)
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Rick,

thanks for the tip about the number plate, I tried it several times and didn't find a good solution so I left it as it was, no white paint.
I was successful on one loco, whereas the black paint wasn't too thick applied and I've placed some white paint on a sheet of paper and the raised numbers picked up the paint.

John

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Offline kariosls37  
#55 Posted : 18 September 2011 11:43:43(UTC)
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Glad to be of assistance John.
I got the idea from my brass loco, where I sanded the numberplates to reveal the raised text. As sanding wouldn't work I tried wiping insteadCool
Offline FMS  
#56 Posted : 20 September 2011 00:52:07(UTC)
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Looking good, looking good!!Smile
Regards
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#57 Posted : 19 October 2011 15:56:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kariosls37 Go to Quoted Post
I've been able to find some time to mask and paint the loco. It was not so much the painting that took a lot of time, but the masking. This has to be done well, else you are left with a heap of touch ups.
Masking may look daunting when you start, but you have to start somewhere, and once you have, the difficult spots will not look nearly as daunting.
And once everything is masked, it can be painted, with this result:
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Note that I have taken some photos with flash and some without, the colours are the same shade throughout the model.
When masking models, don't use normal painter's tape, as the paint will stay on the tape, and not the model. Use proper modelling tape instead. Also, the longer the tape is on the model, the more chance the tape has to attach itself to the paint below, so in order to prevent paint from pulling off, I try to remove the tape as soon as the fresh paint allows.

I still have a fair bit of touching up to do, which will be done with a paintbrush and a steady hand.

If you have any quiestions, don't be shy.

Rick

Good one Rickety !!,
Often brand new Marklin Loks are hand touched up too, as seen on Marklin TV, so your doing as Mother M does anyway Smile Keep up the good work, ThumpUp
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

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Offline Elukka  
#58 Posted : 19 October 2011 21:49:06(UTC)
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Another way to paint raised detail is to drybrush it. Take an old brush, it's a bit hard on it, you don't want to use anything too good. Dab most of the paint and moisture out of it, then brush gently over the detail. It'll adhere to any raised parts but won't run down below them.
Offline kariosls37  
#59 Posted : 07 November 2011 11:04:44(UTC)
kariosls37

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Thanks Glen and Elukka.
I had tried drybrushing, but it didn't want to do what I wanted to.

I have not had much time in th elast few weeks for modelling, but this weekend I finally got around to it; varnishing the loco. The varnish protects the paint coat underneath, and gives everything an even finish. I used Humbrol Satin, thinned more than I usually do to ensure a perfectly smooth finish. The result lived up to it's expectations.

The loco could then be reassembled. To begin with, the leading and trailing wheels were pushed back onto their frames. The axles got a drop of oil before being carefully pressed home in a vice. A bit of wood between the jaws of the vice and the wheelset prevented paint damage. The gears were also pressed back in place, using the back of a broken drill bit to push the axles into their holes. Before the axles went in, I used a smaller drill bit to scrape the inside of the holes free of paint. The next time around I will put something in those holes when I paint, because no paint is better than hardly any.
Then came the most critical part of the reassembly; The drivers. Steamers can be very touchy about their quartering, although older Marklin locos have large holes in their rods and a gear drive, so the rods aare purely cosmetic. To begin with, all the gears and axles were inserted, and everything checked for smoothness. Fortunately, no problems were found. The loose wheels were then lightly pressed onto their axles, making sure the wheelset with the traction tyres was at the rear. The crank pins on the gear side were then aligned, making use of the fact that when properly aligned, the same pair of spokes on each wheel form a straight line fore to aft. When this was done the first wheel on the other side was then turned so that it lagged approximately 90degrees. The exact angle does not matter as long as it's the same on every driver. Once I was happy with the result, I pressed the wheel fully in place with the vice, only applying pressure in the raised middle part to keep the wheel straight on it's axle. The procss was then repeated for the other two pairs.
Be warned! I would only do this with older gear drive locos. Newer locos have rod drive, where accuracy is the key to smooth running. I would only reassemble such wheels with the correct tools!

Some soldering and a few screws later, it was back in one piece
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And from the front
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The guts are in place as wellCool
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After chasing a electrical gremlin(the new paint insulates really well), she has run her first few metres under own power. The mechanism runs well, and should improve with running in.
I still have some things planned for it, but the end is in sight.

Cheers,

Rick
Offline intruder  
#60 Posted : 07 November 2011 17:48:42(UTC)
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Very nice, Rick!
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline kariosls37  
#61 Posted : 10 November 2011 22:55:09(UTC)
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Thanks Svein.

Some of the little jobs have been done on the loco. To start with, cab windows. To make it look good, I have made the windows almost flush with the frames. This can be tricky, but the rsults speak for themselves. The trick to making nice windows is to get a very good fit. I start with a bit of clear styrene that's a little bit oversize, and progressively test and adjust the shape until it fits. I glue the windows with Krystal Klear, from Microscale. This stuff dries clear and doesn't attack plastic, making it ideal for gluing windows. A thin bead around the inside of the frame is all you need. You can carefully scrub away any excess glue later on.
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The front and rear windows have also been done, but the middle window on the side will stay open so the driver and fireman can see the track better.

The tender has also recieved some coal. The coal is just that, real coal smashed to bits with a hammer. The coal is not just thrown on, but is piled so that it looks like coal has gone down at the front, where the fireman uses it. The coal is secured in the same way as ballast, with diluted PVA glue.

The rear lights were also given some attention. The small hole in the light housing was filled completely with Krystal klear. I hope that this will work in the same way as a light diffuser, giving an even light. A bit of clear plastic was glued into the light housing as the window, with a space between the light diffuser and the clear plastic. To get a perfect circle, I punch the lens out of a sheet of clear plastic using a sharpened bit of brass tube.
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Offline Darren W  
#62 Posted : 11 November 2011 02:22:51(UTC)
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Very nice work. The idea to paint the silver rails going down the boiler looks nice.

Darren
Offline GlennM  
#63 Posted : 11 November 2011 15:09:22(UTC)
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Wow excellent project, and a great end result.

Best Regards

Glenn
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Offline Brakepad  
#64 Posted : 13 November 2011 19:47:55(UTC)
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Very nice. And you can proudly say that you put the loco back on track by yourself!
check out http://maerklin-back-on-track.blogspot.com if you like to see how old Märklin locos are brought back into life! (in spanish by the moment)
Offline DaleSchultz  
#65 Posted : 19 November 2011 22:44:46(UTC)
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excellent job, and thanks for documenting the whole story....
Dale
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Offline FMS  
#66 Posted : 20 November 2011 14:54:29(UTC)
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Beautiful job Rick, beautiful job!!!Smile
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Offline kariosls37  
#67 Posted : 21 November 2011 10:03:53(UTC)
kariosls37

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Thanks everyoneThumpUp

Not much has happened on the loco, except a few small things. I have obtained a set of valvegear as well hat will be butchered to provide the missing bits of the current set.
Last monday the loco got a good run at the club, and it's starting to run very nicely. It should improve even more as the last bits of masking tape glue wear off. The punters were impressed tooThumpUp
Hopefully I can post a more detailed report soon.

Cheers,
Rick
Offline Ian555  
#68 Posted : 21 November 2011 16:14:22(UTC)
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Hi Rick,

Wonderful job you've done on your BR23. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline NZMarklinist  
#69 Posted : 23 November 2011 00:47:59(UTC)
NZMarklinist

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Here's Rick's little wonder on the staging yard at the club last MondayThumpUp
NZMarklinist attached the following image(s):
Rick's Restored BR23 004.jpg
Rick's Restored BR23 005.jpg
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline kariosls37  
#70 Posted : 23 November 2011 02:26:18(UTC)
kariosls37

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Great pictures GlenThumpUp

The BR 23's left hand valvegear had a broken rod. Unfortunately, the club's spare parts person didn't have a left hand set, but he did have a right hand one. As I didn't want to wait, I bought the set, together with some nuts and screws that were missing. The broken rod, the first one after the return crank is identical on both sides, so I carefully filed away at the sides of the rivets(at the back) until I could push them out. I then simply pushed the rivets into their holes on the left hand valvegear, and added a touch of solder to stop the rivets falling out.

With the 'rod transplant' completed, I gave the rods a good tidy up. They were pretty rusty, but a bit of 1000 grit sandpaper solved that. The frame of the valvegear was then primed, followed by painting where appropriate. I didn't bother to prime the rods themselves, as it would be very tricky to mask all the joints.
Once the paint was thoroughly dry, I used my sanding stick to expose all the raised parts of the running gear, leaving the lower bits red. Using sandpaper means that you will lose the bright nickel plating, so if you want to keep the nickel plating intact, The same technique I used for the numbers would be the best way to go. To finish off, everything got a good coat of satin varnish to protect the polished steel and paintwork.
This is the result after fitting and oiling up
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This finishes the cosmetic part of the overhaul, which leaves the conversion to digital and weathering to do.
Some pics to finish off. Here's the front
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And what makes these locomotives so unique;
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Their tender allowing them to run backwards at high speeds.

Cheers,
Rick
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Offline Hoover007  
#71 Posted : 10 December 2011 04:52:57(UTC)
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Wow, fantastic job! You have given me the inspiration to attempt an overhaul on some of my well played with pieces.

Thanks again for the great posting!

Robert. ThumpUp
Offline Johnvr  
#72 Posted : 10 December 2011 08:43:03(UTC)
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Thanks for the thread - I really enjoyed it !

Regards,BigGrin
John
Offline steventrain  
#73 Posted : 10 December 2011 13:27:51(UTC)
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Excellent, Well done.ThumpUp
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Offline kariosls37  
#74 Posted : 10 December 2011 22:38:38(UTC)
kariosls37

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Thanks Robert, John and StevenThumpUp

There's no progress to report here. Once I get a decoder there will be news, but that may take some time.

Just a bit of advice for anyone wanting to try a repaint; Don't expect your first repaint to be perfect. My first wagons that I painted were nowhere near as good as this, and that will be the same for most people. Even my Dutch steamer has a fair few bits that are not perfect and if I were to repaint it, I could make a lot of improvements. Making mistakes is part of learning, and I must say, I have become very good at making themRollEyes

Cheers,
Rick
Offline river6109  
#75 Posted : 11 December 2011 11:53:10(UTC)
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Rick,
It looks great for what I can see and you've done a terrific job, thanks for sharing it with us.

John
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Offline Doloana  
#76 Posted : 22 January 2012 08:23:41(UTC)
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Hello to everybody !

I'm David from Spain and I want to share with you what I did.

I have a BR23 that arrived to me in very poor condition. It runs ok, but she was jumping a bit on the tracks because one of the wheels had a hit.

I found a new set of wheels on eBay and finally I made her to run nice and smoothly.

But the paint was in really bad state. when I was looking for a new wheel set, was when I found this post. And I though "why not to repaint"

I still didn't finished this project but is taking good shape.

I want to thanks to Rick because he started this post and had been a good step by step for me

Also I want to say that this is my first airbrushing job so the end result probably will not be as good as Rick's BR23

Ok. Let's go with the pictures



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This next one is after scrubbing down all the original paint

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Masking

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My Airbrush. A chinese BD-130

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Priming. Solvent based

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First coats of red and black. Enamel paint too.

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And this is the point that I am on this project.

I'll upload more pictures as soon as any step forward are made.

Sorry for the pictures quality and

@Rick Thanks again

David
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Offline Johnvr  
#77 Posted : 22 January 2012 10:12:17(UTC)
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David

Welcome to the forum !
You have started a great project with your BR23 loco.
Looks good already !

Regards,BigGrin
John
Offline kariosls37  
#78 Posted : 22 January 2012 10:19:39(UTC)
kariosls37

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First of all, welcome to the forum David.

Your'e welcome David, I'm glad to see I have inspired someone else to give it a go. Hopefully others will also followThumpUp

From what I can see, you did a good job considering this is your first go at airbrushing. Out of interest, what paint did you use? I can see a few cans in the background, but they don't look like model paint to me.

Cheers and good luck,
Rick
Offline Doloana  
#79 Posted : 22 January 2012 11:40:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kariosls37 Go to Quoted Post
First of all, welcome to the forum David.

Your'e welcome David, I'm glad to see I have inspired someone else to give it a go. Hopefully others will also followThumpUp

From what I can see, you did a good job considering this is your first go at airbrushing. Out of interest, what paint did you use? I can see a few cans in the background, but they don't look like model paint to me.

Cheers and good luck,
Rick


Thank you

The paint I'm using is regular synthetic enamel solvent based from a Spanish manufacturer called Titanlux.

Had been reported in different modeling forums that their primer is very good for airbrushing, and a 50 ml can is just 3 Euros. After that I decided to give it a try not only to the primer, also to the enamels. At the moment I'm quite happy with the result.

As you can see at the picture From left to right I placed the satin black, the gloss white and the primer which is white too. At the center is the locomotive body airbrushed in red and the black parts are freehand brushed using a double zero size brush.

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The black paint is still fresh. I just finished brushing about half an hour ago.

I thought that was easier to brush rather than airbrush because there is a lot of different edges and corners in the front side of the body. And because the two front platforms are completely flat, it shouldn't be noticed a lot that had been brushed.
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Offline thiesedenys  
#80 Posted : 28 April 2012 00:51:36(UTC)
thiesedenys

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Bonjour.
Votre travail est magnifique.
Je peint aussi les vieilles Marklin.

Voici ma 3005.... c'est ma première réparation peinture.


Elle a été réalisée il y a 7 ans



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Uploaded with ImageShack.us



Je vous montrerai bientôt mes autre réalisations.

SK 800 , RSM,.....
Offline Yumgui  
#81 Posted : 28 April 2012 01:05:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: thiesedenys Go to Quoted Post
Bonjour.
Votre travail est magnifique.
Je peint aussi les vieilles Marklin.

Voici ma 3005.... c'est ma première réparation peinture.

Elle a été réalisée il y a 7 ans

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Je vous montrerai bientôt mes autre réalisations.

SK 800 , RSM,.....


Welcome to the forum thiesedenys !

Tres beau travail, on attends la suite ...
Mais, faut le faire en anglais stp ... ^^ Merci.

Translation:
Very nice work, we'll be waiting for the rest ...
But, you'll have to do it in English plz ... ^^ Thanks.

Yum Cool
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Offline kariosls37  
#82 Posted : 28 April 2012 11:46:41(UTC)
kariosls37

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Merci Beaucoup ThiesedenysThumpUp

Your'e BR 23 looks splendid as well, and I'm looking forward to seeing more from you as well.

Cheers,
Rick
Offline Mark5  
#83 Posted : 12 May 2012 03:31:05(UTC)
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Great work. Thanks for sharing.
I am hoping to get my act together to do such an overhaul.

Wonder if anyone paints on with brush instead of airbrush??
I am thinking of investing in an airbrush system at some point, but lots to do before then.
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Offline Ian555  
#84 Posted : 12 May 2012 08:15:40(UTC)
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Hi David,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Very nice work on your BR23.

Ian.

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