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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3  Hello Jean-Pierre, Wonderful items, as always! You can notice on the roof on the RS 800 that the simulated "wiring" that is cast into the loco shell on top is not painted red/orange. This is common on many RS 800 locos from during wartime. This one was, therefore, most likely made during the 1940 - 1942 period or even late 1939 I have seen. I am not sure whether the frame is replica or original, but since it has glossy black paint instead of dull black, it is distinct from the 1945/1946 version. The 344 and 341 SB cars are late pre-war pieces because of the coloring of the roofs. The 343 is most likely from 1945, but the version from 1940-1942 is also very similar. One good way to tell if it is late pre-war or post-war is by looking at the roofs under UV lamp. Pre-war cars always had lacquer on the roofs, whereas Marklin did not bother with so much lacquer in immediate postwar years. Here you can see a reference image of the RS 800 that I acquired in an RS 841 K set from 1939. It was brought over during the war by an American who was in the Red Cross near Goppingen!  Thanks for sharing the photos! Paul Hello Paul  Thanks for all the details you gave. I am really happy to discover that this RS 800 is older than expected. I confirm that the frame is genuine. Nevertheless I must confess that I have a doubt on the 341 SB roof. If the lights seems to be original, I fear that the roof itself is a replica. The color and the shine seem to be too perfect to be original. A few more pics ? :       |
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Magnificent old quality Marklin ! Regards, John
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
Yes, it is hard to say whether the 341 SB is original, but it sure looks original!
We are eager to see what comes next from the "time machine" !!!
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NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
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Hi Jean-Pierre, Just wonderful Märklin.  Ian.
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Thanks dear friends for your kind appreciations... Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3
We are eager to see what comes next from the "time machine" !!!
Paul
I will try to work on it next week and hopefully I will be able to post some more photos... |
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Originally Posted by: igf2 Hello Paul Thanks for all the details you gave. I am really happy to discover that this RS 800 is older than expected. I confirm that the frame is genuine. Nevertheless I must confess that I have a doubt on the 341 SB roof. If the lights seems to be original, I fear that the roof itself is a replica. The color and the shine seem to be too perfect to be original. A few more pics ... Hello Jean Pierre Excellent pictures of fantastic trains (and you know now how much really I like these...  ) As for that 341 SB roof, I never heard of "replicas"...merely of "repaint", which is of course a continuous subject for debate! Personally (just an opinion, everyone is entitled to differ!) I prefer a "good repaint" to a "bad original". If you really are keen on getting the right "nuance and look", Ritter does repaint and matches everything at 99%! (They did my 3025, you saw it...it is perfect!) In fact I have a bad (repaint) 341 roof myself that would benefit from a trip to Ritter...maybe we can join forces? Cheers |
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Hello Jacques It's always a pleasure to see your signature on a post ! Well I will have a thought on that. Let me check carefully this roof and may be post a few more photos so I will have your collective opinion on it's real status... As a matter of fact, will you go to Göppingen this year ? Cheers Jean-Pierre |
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Originally Posted by: igf2 H
As a matter of fact, will you go to Göppingen this year ?
Cheers
Jean-Pierre As a matter of fact..Yes! |
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You are a lucky man. I hope you are aware of Ritter special offer these two days ? |
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Originally Posted by: igf2 You are a lucky man. I hope you are aware of Ritter special offer these two days ? yes...thank you! Need anything? Cheers |
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Hi Jacques and Jean-Pierre,
Jacques, I think you are right, the main Marklin reproduction firms do not offer the 341 SB roof / lighting fixture in their main product ranges, but there are certainly reproductions out there. One such reproduction is an original 340 series roof that has been square-punched to fit the lighting fixture.
Jean-Pierre, to me the roof looks great, whether it is original or not, but if you are really curious, I think looking at the underside of the roof and the punching of the square holes would help. Also if you see that the soldering has been tampered with (freshly soldered is much more shiny) then you have reason to believe that it has been tampered with. Another technique is to use a UV Lamp and line up all your 340 series cars next to each other. In a dark room, shine the light on all the roofs and compare. There will be subtle differences even between original painted Marklin cars because of the way that the lacquer has aged, but usually you can see that repainted cars are much different.
Best regards,
Paul
PS. Jacques, I agree, Ritter is a master of repainting old Marklin locos. I even heard a secret once that a long time ago when old locos were sent to Marklin to be restored, Marklin actually sent them to Ritter to have them fixed!
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Thanks Paul for your kind advices. I will have a look, I hope, this evening. I did heard as well in the past that Marklin used to ask Ritter to do some restoration for them. |
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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Hello Jean-Pierre, Wonderful items, as always! [...] Here you can see a reference image of the RS 800 that I acquired in an RS 841 K set from 1939. It was brought over during the war by an American who was in the Red Cross near Goppingen! Thanks for sharing the photos! Paul As a tribute to Paul's nice photo, a few more pics... Here you will (re)discover the following items : - A RS 700.1 (1935) - A passenger car 341.2 (1936) - A dining car n°342.1 (1935) - A luggage car n°344.2 (1937) - two 422.4 platforms (1938-1942 1945, 1946) : they are far to be mint ! The second one has an awfull roof but the real color is white and blue despite the feeling it is darker. I hope to find in the next future two other platform in better shape ; - a Fahrdienstleiter 469.1 (1937-1942, 1945 & 1946) ; - 10 Eisenbahn Figuren 405.G (1937-1939)      RS 700 : 341.2 : 342.1 : 344.2 :   |
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Beautiful, Jean-Pierre...I like the inspiration!
If you are looking for 422 platforms in excellent condition, I have two right now in original boxes from the pre-war period (one is from 1937, the other I suspect from around the same time, but the box is not dated). They both look identical with the white roof and blue feathering on the sides. PM me if you have an interest.
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
Very, very nice, thanks for sharing the photo's.
Ian.
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Hi Paul
On your photo one can see a personn siting on the bench. I am not quite sure that it is has been produced by Marklin...
Am I right ? |
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Thanks Ian for your kind comment ! |
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Originally Posted by: igf2 Hi Paul
On your photo one can see a personn siting on the bench. I am not quite sure that it is has been produced by Marklin...
Am I right ? Hello Jean-Pierre, Yes, you are right, but I think in a different way. The figures actually are Marklin from the O Gauge production line (late 1930s). The package contains 5 figures and is numbered 2729 G/5. The reason I say that you are actually right is that Marklin did not produce these figures, they only sold them. The figures were made by Elastolin. Here a photo from the 1938/1939 catalog:  And here a photo of the box with some figures:  Best regards, Paul PS. I'm worried that through this post I might introduce you to a whole new world of Marklin, O Gauge! Edited by user 13 December 2016 23:37:45(UTC)
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Hi Paul Thanks for this answer. You are right to be afraid  ... But I will try to be reasonable... Just one more photos to show the 10 figures which were behind the scene (OO gauge !)  |
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Good evening Dear Friends Here some new photos from old models... This time around the 410 H turntable, the TWE 700 models. In fact all the three models : TWE 700, TWE 700 R and TWE 700 B issued beetween 1936 and 1939.       [URL=http://www.casimages.com]  [/UR |
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Very nice! The railcars is very expensive rare items. |
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You are right Steven, rare means expensive for Marklin items  Edited by user 27 September 2011 11:04:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: igf2 Good evening Dear Friends
Here some new photos from old models...
This time around the 410 H turntable, the TWE 700 models. In fact all the three models : TWE 700, TWE 700 R and TWE 700 B issued beetween 1936 and 1939.
... Holly smoke! Fantastic collectors' items, in seemingly perfect condition! Someone has to own these, might as well be someone nice...! Thanks for sharing! |
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Hi Jean-Pierre, What a wonderful collection of Märklin you have. Ian.
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Thanks Jacques for your too nice comment ! I hope to have shortly new photos to share.. |
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Hi Guys
It is a long time that I didn't post any new photos. But in the next future I will share with you some new nice acquisitions...
All the best |
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Hi igf2 Thank you for resuscitating this post. I had not seen it before. You have a magnificent collection of old Marklin!  I look forward to seeing more. |
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Originally Posted by: MalinAC They are for the motor brushes - on those early models the brushes could be replaced quickly without having to remove the cover simply by removing those brass screws and out comes the brush & spring. The basic motor design then is not all that different from the 'classic' Marklin motor of today. Hope this explains Steve cookee_nz attached the following image(s): |
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Hi MalinAC, Steve perfectly answered your question.
Hi Mike, I will post more pictures as soon as I will have the time to sort out my new acquisitions. Some of them are very rare. |
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Dear friends
It has been a while since I wrote my last post. I am back on the forum. I am planning to rebuild a new version of my Tishbahn for Xmas. I hope I will be able to share some new pics with a few acquisition which joined my collection in the meantime.
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Great. This is the first time I have seen this post. You have some great looking engines and rolling stock. Looking forward to some pictures from the new layout. Thanks.
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Dear Friends Xmas is the perfect day to post some new pics from a new OO temporary layout. Here are the first shots :      I hope you will enjoy them as much I enjoy building in 3 days the layout. Jean-Pierre |
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Dear Friends Xmas is the perfect day to post some new pics from a new OO temporary layout. Here are the first shots :       I hope you will enjoy them as much I enjoy building in 3 days the layout. Jean-Pierre |
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Excellent! I have never seen a layout with so many top rarities! A book of "special variants" in hand is required to identify what is unique about each piece!
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Love the layout. What transformer are you using? Just curious if it is a modern or period correct. Thanks for posting the pictures. What year is the blue streamline engine on the turntable?
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Hi Robert 1. Even if I have a couple of old trafos, I use a modern one for safety reason 2. The blue SK 800 is a pre war version, one of the seldom true blue version. Here is another photo. I will post a closer one tomorrow.  Jean-Pierre |
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Excellent, Do you have the short scale crocodile? (show on your avatar) |
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Unfortunetly not... It is a crocodile which has been inspired by a pre war prototype and built in a very small quantity by TT shop for Marklin in 2005. Edited by user 26 December 2016 17:44:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: igf2 Dear friends
It has been a while since I wrote my last post. I am back on the forum. I am planning to rebuild a new version of my Tishbahn for Xmas. I hope I will be able to share some new pics with a few acquisition which joined my collection in the meantime.
Jean-Pierre Salut Jean Pierre What a pleasure to see you and yours magnificent trains back here! Looking forward! Jacques |
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Originally Posted by: igf2 Hi Robert 1. Even if I have a couple of old trafos, I use a modern one for safety reason 2. The blue SK 800 is a pre war version, one of the seldom true blue version. Here is another photo. I will post a closer one tomorrow. Jean-Pierre Hello Jean-Pierre, 1979 I met a senior technician from Märklin. He showed me his outstanding collection Märklin gauge 00 and he told me quite a lot of the pre-war production as well as of the post-war production matters. I am a great fan of the loco SK 800 and he told me, that 1939-1941 only few SK 800 were officially painted RED on special request of important customer. After the war cigarettes were of great value and Märklin workers "re-painted" locos in colour as requested in private. In addition Märklin had had at that time a repair service and painted locos as requested. This was "officially" done. When we look at the official production line as published in catalogs and dealer letters there are no red or blue and gray locos mentioned. Today it is very difficult to distinguish between old and new (=fake) red locos. Wolf
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