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I didn't find any topic about it. Last month as I was buying a Red AE 6/6 37361 I booked another AE 6/6 37437 in green livery with gentle price... I saw this model last saturday in the shop, it was just arrived. People could say " so what.." ...(& I'll say " no - no - no ...")...& it's been a real good surprise ! I didn't know how were the models from the mega starter set but this one, under the new reference 37437 is the most accomplished AE 6/6 model I've ever seen in terms of external finish : very accurate work, it seems also that Marklin has a new kind of paint on this model, as well as on the AE 8/14 , I would say :a matt satin finish. Global result fundamentally is matt with a hint of metallic finish. It gives a slightly metallic touch. All is in a subtle difference. Superb. To all Marklin AE 6/6 lovers (like me ) : Highly recommended ! Edited by user 09 August 2011 07:07:14(UTC)
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Hello Jeehring,
Any photo ?
Did find it on eBay but can't seem to find the revision date on the loco,,,
Would like to know the revision date if possible. Thank's.
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Originally Posted by: jeehring  I didn't find any topic about it.
Last month as I was buying a Red AE 6/6 37361 I booked another AE 6/6 37437 in green livery with gentle price...
I saw this model last saturday in the shop, it was just arrived.
People could say " so what.." (& I'll say " no, no, no ...")
...it's been a real good surprise ! I didn't know how were the models from the mega starter set but this one, under the new reference 37437 is the most accomplished AE 6/6 model in terms of external finish : very accurate work, it seems also that Marklin has a new kind of paint on this model, as well as on the AE 8/14 , I would say :a matt satin finish.
Global result fundamentally is matt with a hint of metallic finish. It gives a slight metallic touch. All is in a subtle difference. Superb.
To all Marklin AE 6/6 lovers (like me ) : Highly recommended ! I agree with you... but the best Ae 6/6 it's the CARGO version of the past year 37360 With paint phantos and some new parts even see before... But I only paid 211 € on my dealer for this loko with full sound!!! I am so happy!!! |
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Originally Posted by: pa-pauls Hello Jeehring,
Any photo ?
Did find it on eBay but can't seem to find the revision date on the loco,,,
Would like to know the revision date if possible. Thank's.
Pål Sorry Pal...what is a "revision date" ? Tell me please...I don't know what it is... About photo, no I don't have for the moment, sorry again. Anyway, a photo will give you an idea of course....But an average photo couldn't give the true finish or real appearance or differences of nuances nor reproduce some of the qualities of the work...(nothing better than your own look, own eye  )
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Hello PAL
Do you mean the "revision date of the SBB-CFF railway Cie"... ?
OK, it is not yet at home, I 'll have a look at the end of this week...
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I am expecting my model this week. I paid EUR 206 including shipping from Johnvandamme on eBay. The lok represents the lok as it appeared around 1965. I don't have a specific delivery date for the Ae 6/6 11409, but I presume it was sometime around 1955-57. By 1965, it should have already received a R1, so I would expect to see either a REC date for the original delivery or a REV date from it's first revision. The Lok has the light gray undercarriage, bogies and buffers as well as the original silver roof. The one thing missing on this model is the "falschfahrlicht", the red light situated under the top light between the front windows. The model also has a slightly incorrect Swiss crest on the front of the loks. The Canton loks (11401-11425) had a larger brass base for the crest. The model, like all the other Maerklin and Hag Canton loks has a printed instead of raised chrome stripes on the front and sides of the lok. AFAIK this model has the latest sound module, which is the same as the one in the 37360 Ae 610. The model has the slightly darker green that SBB loks carried in the 1950s, 60s until the early 1970s. The matching coaches would be the LSM RIC SBB Coaches in late Era III livery (47215/47216/47217) as well as LSM and Roco DB coaches in the original blue (Aum) and green (Bum). ACME also makes models of Era III FS UIC and other coach types that were common on the Gotthard route. For freight cars, I would recommend the 47889 FS freight car set, as well as any SBB, SNCF, SNCB, NS or DB freight cars from the 1960s. International freight traffic on the Gotthard was marshalled at Muttenz near Basel and would then make the trip to Chiasso, from where they were marshalled again and then carried on to their destinations in Italy by FS loks. Domestic SBB Freight trains would go from their point of assembly to their destination. Many domestic freights consisted of cars that would be detached along the way to be carried to their destination by local trains or even by electric or diesel shunters. The beauty of a Gotthard freight train was the assortment of various nationalities, designs and colours (private cars). FS Freight car Set: http://cgi.ebay.de/Markl...&hash=item53e7900b4aRegards Mike C
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Originally Posted by: mike c The model, like all the other Maerklin and Hag Canton loks has a printed instead of raised chrome stripes on the front and sides of the lok.
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Mike C Now, I invite you to propose a solution to make some Chrome stripes with thickness at exact 1:87 scale....  (that's why I found the Hag & Marklin solution definitely correct...)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Originally Posted by: mike c The model, like all the other Maerklin and Hag Canton loks has a printed instead of raised chrome stripes on the front and sides of the lok.
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Mike C Now, I invite you to propose a solution to make some Chrome stripes with thickness at exact 1:87 scale.... (that's why I found the Hag & Marklin solution definitely correct...) Friho manufactures aftermarket chrome stripes that can be fitted to Hag and possibly Maerklin Ae 6/6 as well. A number of these Friho modified loks were available from Roundhouse and I think also from Hag directly (on a few special models). Roco's models have a plastic shell, but have raised SBB FFS lettering and chrome stripes as well. Maerklin could simply have invested in a different mold with raised stripes and correct crest and "falschfahrlicht". After all, they changed the mold for the Cargo version. Regards Mike C
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Originally Posted by: jeehring 1950s-197X Dark Olive Green 197X-1984 Olive Green (All loks were repainted in the 1970s as part of general revisions in a lighter shade of olive green) 1983/4-1987 Feuerrot (Fire Red) 1987-2011 Verkehrsrot (Traffic Red) See: http://www.trainweb.ch/modellbaufarben_sbb.htmand here: http://www.drehscheibe-f...10,57327,57327#msg-57327If you look at, say Roco models 45108/109 (EWII Era III) and compare them to the regular models (44323/324/etc), you can see the difference between Era III and Era IV. Same can be seen with the new LS Models RIC coaches and with other coaches and loks as well. The SBB switched to a lighter shade of olive green in the early 1970s. Most loks and coaches received the new livery during regular maintenance starting about 1972/73 (estimate). At the same time, the silver roofs were repainted in the gray shade that still exists today. I hope you are still not confused now. Regards Mike C
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Thank's Mike C  Great information, as always ! If you could check the REV date and post it I would be gratefull Sir ! Thank's ! PS ! - Do you know the REV date on the 37596 Ae 8/14 ? |
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Originally Posted by: mike c
Maerklin could simply have invested in a different mold with raised stripes and correct crest and "falschfahrlicht". After all, they changed the mold for the Cargo version.
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Mike C
Hello Mike, difficult to say. Roco's body probably is made of plastic. With plastic injection you can reach very small raised surface. I do not know if with metal injection it can be reached with the same accuracy easily. So depending from the technolgy, maybe the mould cannot be simply "modified" do you have experience in metal injection? rgds Stephan
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Stephan:
If you remember, the original 3050 came with raised lettering and stripes, so it can be done. There is no reason that these features could not be replicated on a new mold. Maerklin likely decided to have one base mold for all Ae 6/6 in the early 1990s and they still use it today.
If Maerklin is willing to make a new mold just so that they can make a model of a Cargo Re 421 or Ae 610, why are they not willing to have different molds for the City and Canton versions of the classic Ae 6/6? Why not a Re 436 with larger headlights for the RM, Crossrail and SOB models? For the Re 421, it was the railings on the lok faces. For the Ae 610, it was new railings, windows and windshield wipers.
There are upsides and downsides to this. For example, the Fleischmann Re 4/4II used a standardized mold with raised lettering. The result was that the lettering was incorrectly positioned for the TEE version and the company ended up producing that model with the red/beige line at the incorrect height. Even the Maerklin and Hag Re 4/4II TEE models had the Swiss crest at the wrong height. It should have been moved a few mm higher to be prototypical.
As far as the Ae 6/6, I am not saying that it is not a nice model. It would be an even nicer model if they would have taken this extra steps. It even might have increased sales of this new model just because it was different. Not to forget that a modified mold can be used for future "Canton" loks in green (Era III, Era IV and Historic) and even in red (Era IV).
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Originally Posted by: jeehring I didn't find any topic about it.
Last month as I was buying a Red AE 6/6 37361 I booked another AE 6/6 37437 in green livery with gentle price...
I saw this model last saturday in the shop, it was just arrived.
People could say " so what.." ...(& I'll say " no - no - no ...")
...& it's been a real good surprise ! I didn't know how were the models from the mega starter set but this one, under the new reference 37437 is the most accomplished AE 6/6 model I've ever seen in terms of external finish : very accurate work, it seems also that Marklin has a new kind of paint on this model, as well as on the AE 8/14 , I would say :a matt satin finish.
Global result fundamentally is matt with a hint of metallic finish. It gives a slightly metallic touch. All is in a subtle difference. Superb.
To all Marklin AE 6/6 lovers (like me ) : Highly recommended ! Hi Roland, Thanks for posting, I missed the news from Märklin on this model. Seems like a nice model of the Ae 6/6, which I will consider buying. |
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Originally Posted by: mike c I am expecting my model this week. I paid EUR 206 including shipping from Johnvandamme on eBay. The lok represents the lok as it appeared around 1965. I don't have a specific delivery date for the Ae 6/6 11409, but I presume it was sometime around 1955-57. By 1965, it should have already received a R1, so I would expect to see either a REC date for the original delivery or a REV date from it's first revision. The Lok has the light gray undercarriage, bogies and buffers as well as the original silver roof. The one thing missing on this model is the "falschfahrlicht", the red light situated under the top light between the front windows. The model also has a slightly incorrect Swiss crest on the front of the loks. The Canton loks (11401-11425) had a larger brass base for the crest. The model, like all the other Maerklin and Hag Canton loks has a printed instead of raised chrome stripes on the front and sides of the lok. AFAIK this model has the latest sound module, which is the same as the one in the 37360 Ae 610. The model has the slightly darker green that SBB loks carried in the 1950s, 60s until the early 1970s. The matching coaches would be the LSM RIC SBB Coaches in late Era III livery (47215/47216/47217) as well as LSM and Roco DB coaches in the original blue (Aum) and green (Bum). ACME also makes models of Era III FS UIC and other coach types that were common on the Gotthard route. For freight cars, I would recommend the 47889 FS freight car set, as well as any SBB, SNCF, SNCB, NS or DB freight cars from the 1960s. International freight traffic on the Gotthard was marshalled at Muttenz near Basel and would then make the trip to Chiasso, from where they were marshalled again and then carried on to their destinations in Italy by FS loks. Domestic SBB Freight trains would go from their point of assembly to their destination. Many domestic freights consisted of cars that would be detached along the way to be carried to their destination by local trains or even by electric or diesel shunters. The beauty of a Gotthard freight train was the assortment of various nationalities, designs and colours (private cars). FS Freight car Set: http://cgi.ebay.de/Markl...&hash=item53e7900b4aRegards Mike C Hi Mike, all, In support of your information regarding the Ae 6/6 11409 I can add the following: The 11409 was accepted by SBB on July, 20th 1956 in Müchenstein. It was ordered in 1954. As already mentioned the locomotive's coat of arms is of Baselland and it's maiden trip was on September,20th 1956 from Liestal to Biasca. Source: LOKI Spezial19 and LOKI Spezial29 Edited by user 14 August 2011 11:24:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Stephan:
If you remember, the original 3050 came with raised lettering and stripes, so it can be done. ...(...)...Regards
Mike C It can be done probably.....but are you sure that the thickness is accurately 1:87 scale ?.... Most of the time you find some categories of people complaining that the reliefs are not at correct scale because oversized (thickness).... A thickness of 1 cm in 1:1 scale should be round about 1 tenth of millimeter in 1:87 (1 tenth +).... Do you know how much is the thickness of the stripes at 1:1 scale ?
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Originally Posted by: pa-pauls Hello Jeehring,
Any photo ?
Did find it on eBay but can't seem to find the revision date on the loco,,,
Would like to know the revision date if possible. Thank's.
Pål I have try to check the Revision date on the model....I can't read it, it's really too small . I 've try with little magnyfing glass... I'can't. I guessed a number 60... but i'm not even sure that it is about a Rev date...in fact I didn't know exactly where is the mention.... Next Saturday we will take a better magnifying glass (more powerful)... Pa Pauls could you tell me which place on the model it is mentionned, is it the white number near the cabin door ?...on the Lok manufacturer plate at the middle of the side, under the Swiss Canton badge ?
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Hello Roland,
Thank's for help.
On my Ae 6/6 it is to the left of the door (right hand side of both side's of the locomotive)
very small letters it is,,, I also needed a rather good magnifying glass to be able to read it...
My model from the 29680 read's "Ue mst 15.11.55"
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Originally Posted by: pa-pauls Hello Roland,
Thank's for help.
On my Ae 6/6 it is to the left of the door (right hand side of both side's of the locomotive)
very small letters it is,,, I also needed a rather good magnifying glass to be able to read it...
My model from the 29680 read's "Ue mst 15.11.55"
Thank's again
Pål Oh...that's the one I've try to decipher in white color...the last number seemed to be 60...but I can't give you any guarranty...it is more a guess than a read . Anyway....next Saturday we will try with a big magnifycient glass , I'll let you know the result...... BTW : is it the same place on AE 6/6 with red livery as well ? Edited by user 18 August 2011 03:56:49(UTC)
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The Received/Revision information on the side of the Ae 6/6 11409 Maerklin Model #37437 is as follows: Heimatbahnhof Erstfeld/R1 BE (Bellinzona) 21.10.60, which represents the first revision of the lok after delivery.
Regarding the 29680 lok, Ue stands for Uebernommen (Taken Over) and the date. "mst" does not ring a bell. I will have to look this up.
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Mike, "Mst" stood for Münchenstein, the BBC (formerly Alioth) works which built the electric parts of many locomotives.
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Thanks for the information. I was not able to find this on my own. Most of my models with original delivery details have Ue or Rec Oer, which I presume stands for Oerlikon (Maschinenfabrik Oerlikon = MFO). (Yes, they are mostly Re 4/4II/Re 4/4IV)
How exactly does the SBB receive a new lok? Is it where the lok is made or specifically the place where the SBB assumes control (ownership) from the manufacturer? Do the Re 482/484/474 etc have Ue Basel labels as that is where they enter Switzerland or are they taken into possession by SBB through SBBC Germany and recorded as such?
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Originally Posted by: mike c
How exactly does the SBB receive a new lok? Is it where the lok is made or specifically the place where the SBB assumes control (ownership) from the manufacturer? Do the Re 482/484/474 etc have Ue Basel labels as that is where they enter Switzerland or are they taken into possession by SBB through SBBC Germany and recorded as such?
The abbreviations Ge (Geneva, where SAAS/Sécheron was located), Mst and Oer were indeed the most common during the grand era of Swiss locomotive construction. On the other rolling stock, abbreviations such as Nh (SIG, Neuhausen) or Pr (Pratteln, Schindler Waggon) were also common. These were the places were the rolling stock was made/completed, and usually the Ue/Rec date corresponded with the roll-out and the big test run on the same day. I don't often see the Re 474/482/484 etc., but I assume that their reception labels also somehow refer to the manufacturer or "finisher" (and not to the station where they first enter Switzerland). On this picture here it surprisingly says "Ue Be", which normally stands for the Bellinzona works: http://modellbahnen.cado...b605ff01611d68ee28d7cbd1
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Thank you for nice information Mike_C and Unholz The model 37437 Ae 6/6 has REV date 21.10.60 and the model 37596 Ae 8/14 has REV date 12.01.61 Thank's to my friend Lutz for this info  |
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Originally Posted by: Unholz
I don't often see the Re 474/482/484 etc., but I assume that their reception labels also somehow refer to the manufacturer or "finisher" (and not to the station where they first enter Switzerland). On this picture here it surprisingly says "Ue Be", which normally stands for the Bellinzona works:
Thanks Stefan. I guess that it is possible that the loks were brought to Bellinzona by Bombardier or Siemens (depending on manufacturer) and the formal handover to the SBB occurred there. I will have to try to look through my resources to find out more details. I do remember there was a great deal of photos of the Re 474 and Re 484 at Basel and a number being towed in Germany and in Switzerland. Same applies to the Am840 diesel (AFAIR). Regards Mike C
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Back to the Ae 6/6. I have seen a few photos where it appears as if the skirting and buffers were lighter than on other photos. I presume these are older photos with the original livery (as depicted on the model 37437). In the book Die Gotthardbahn (Marti & Trueb, Orell Fuessli 1968 & 1971), many of the photos show the lighter skirting, but the buffers are already darker (by comparison). Part of this may be due to grease on the buffers, but I would like to know whether some buffers may have been painted darker than as modelled by Maerklin.
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