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Hello Dan
Marklin didn't issue French HO locomotive before the 50's. They nevertheless sold before the war British locomotive I will show you in the next future (LNER & LMS). Marklin also produced "US" versions of the R 700 and HR 700 which are extremely rare and very very expensive.
They stopped producing those foreign versions with the war. Marklin stopped its toy production beetween 1942/43 and 1945 due to lack of metal which was only used for war purposes.
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Hello Dan, Jean-Pierre gave you a very complete answer. If you would like to learn even more about Marklin during WWII, check out my article on my website. The article is located here --> http://marklinstop.com/2...lin-during-world-war-ii/Recently I found proof that 1943 was the last year Marklin made toys in WWII. This is a 270 A transformer made in the first quarter of 1943.  Toy production began again in early 1945 with trains like the RS / SK 800 and the 34X / 35X series cars.  Anyway, Marklin during WWII is an entire discussion in itself...in this post we are here just to admire Jean-Pierre's layout.  . Hopefully this has answered your question. Best regards, Paul |
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Originally Posted by: igf2  Hello Dan
Marklin didn't issue French HO locomotive before the 50's. They nevertheless sold before the war British locomotive I will show you in the next future (LNER & LMS). Marklin also produced "US" versions of the R 700 and HR 700 which are extremely rare and very very expensive.
They stopped producing those foreign versions with the war. Marklin stopped its toy production beetween 1942/43 and 1945 due to lack of metal which was only used for war purposes.
I hope I answered your questions.
Cheers.
Jean-Pierre Thankyou for your reply, I would like to see the LMS locos.cheers Dan
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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Hello Dan, Jean-Pierre gave you a very complete answer. If you would like to learn even more about Marklin during WWII, check out my article on my website. The article is located here --> http://marklinstop.com/2...lin-during-world-war-ii/Recently I found proof that 1943 was the last year Marklin made toys in WWII. This is a 270 A transformer made in the first quarter of 1943. Toy production began again in early 1945 with trains like the RS / SK 800 and the 34X / 35X series cars. Anyway, Marklin during WWII is an entire discussion in itself...in this post we are here just to admire Jean-Pierre's layout. . Hopefully this has answered your question. Best regards, Paul Thankyou very much Paul. Thats filled in the gap for me. Its amazing that the carried on makeing trains for so long during the war.I would like to see pictures of the fuhrer merc. I have the reproducing Swiss JU52. doas anyone know if this plane was ever in a wartime paint scheme. cheers Dan
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Originally Posted by: dan67millie Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Hello Dan,
Jean-Pierre gave you a very complete answer. If you would like to learn even more about Marklin during WWII...
Thankyou very much Paul. Thats filled in the gap for me. Its amazing that the carried on makeing trains for so long during the war.I would like to see pictures of the fuhrer merc. I have the reproducing Swiss JU52. doas anyone know if this plane was ever in a wartime paint scheme. cheers Dan Hi Dan, It was really quite a miracle Marklin made it through the war relatively "okay" and even was able to release some of their most innovative locomotives (of their "Super Model" series) in 1947, just two years after the war! Here are some pictures of the "wartime" items produced (at least in 00 scale). These particular flags are from 1942, the Mercedes car is probably from around 1938, and the coach modeled after the "Fuerher Train" is from 1938. All of these items were produced throughout the war and were stopped in 1945. It is difficult to say if they were actually "produced" during the war because many people say that production on these items stopped in 1940, however, I have examples from many different years in early 1940 and many of them were bought from the Marklin factory in around 1945. The 351 Fuerher cars in my collection were, for example, bought in 1938, 1942, and a few from 1945. Almost all of them were bought by people working in and around the Marklin factory during WWII.  As far as I know, Marklin did not produce the Junkers JU 52 in a wartime scheme, but just had paper aircraft insignias which could be put on the plane. PM me if you'd like more info. Best regards, Paul |
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Hi Dan I will show you some of my LMS items, but you will have to wait a while...but be sure not too long I would like to show you first other items of my collection... Cheers Jean-Pierre |
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Hi Paul It is always a great pleasure for me to read your comments and to discover your documents & photos. You gave us all the opportunity to see three very rare items which are in mint condition. Thanks a lot to share those treasures wit us. My collection still lacks some beauties... I hope nevertheless that you will enjoy what will follow. Cheers Jean-Pierre |
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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Originally Posted by: dan67millie Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Hello Dan,
Jean-Pierre gave you a very complete answer. If you would like to learn even more about Marklin during WWII...
Thankyou very much Paul. Thats filled in the gap for me. Its amazing that the carried on makeing trains for so long during the war.I would like to see pictures of the fuhrer merc. I have the reproducing Swiss JU52. doas anyone know if this plane was ever in a wartime paint scheme. cheers Dan Hi Dan, It was really quite a miracle Marklin made it through the war relatively "okay" and even was able to release some of their most innovative locomotives (of their "Super Model" series) in 1947, just two years after the war! Here are some pictures of the "wartime" items produced (at least in 00 scale). These particular flags are from 1942, the Mercedes car is probably from around 1938, and the coach modeled after the "Fuerher Train" is from 1938. All of these items were produced throughout the war and were stopped in 1945. It is difficult to say if they were actually "produced" during the war because many people say that production on these items stopped in 1940, however, I have examples from many different years in early 1940 and many of them were bought from the Marklin factory in around 1945. The 351 Fuerher cars in my collection were, for example, bought in 1938, 1942, and a few from 1945. Almost all of them were bought by people working in and around the Marklin factory during WWII. As far as I know, Marklin did not produce the Junkers JU 52 in a wartime scheme, but just had paper aircraft insignias which could be put on the plane. PM me if you'd like more info. Best regards, Paul Thanks so much for showing us these images. I discovered that Marklin also made the 8 wheel armered car and a tank that looked like a French Char B.I hope that Marklin produce some ww2 stuff later for wagon loads ect.I would like to see the fuerher train if you have a few more bits or even better any info on more aircraft they may have produced!! cheers Dan
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Once again a lovely sight to behold.  more more more please  |
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Hi Jean-Pierre, Just a wonderful collection.  Ian.
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That is just lovely. Thank you for sharing these pictures. |
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Hello Since my old layout has been dismantled, I had to found another way to show you my Old Marklin Tin Plate collection. I will try to do so by organizing small scenes enlighting parts of this collection. I will start by a serie of items issued during the year 1935 & 1936 which are the first years of our favorite scale (00 and later HO). Today let's have a look on : - a steam engine R 700 RU - two coaches 327 K - one luggage coach 328 - a station 412 - two manual signal 440 and some vintage pieces of track I will comment. Two first global views :  A photo showing the very nice signal 440 :  A close view of a hand lever crossing without inside light :  Another type of hand lever crossing :  A photo of seldom piece of track 3600 AR (Anschlussgleis).  Hope you will enjoy the photos... |
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
Wonderful photo's, from your great collection.
The section of track with the hand lever, I haven't seen one before, can you explain what it does.
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Hello Ian
The purpose of this section of track was to regulate the speed of the trains. It is a sort of potentiometer. After 1936, the transfomer controled also speed. |
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Hi Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the information on that track. Ian.
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Hello I should continue with another presentation. You can see on the photos the following items : A steam engine R 700 The following cars : 363.1 1936 382.2 1936 389.1 1936 371.1 1936 372.G 1936 372.1 1936 Indeed, all the items shown were issued in 1936... The building is a small warehouse which I find very nice. It is the first item of this type produced by Marklin in this scale. It was issued bettween 1935 & 1936. You can also see two stop blocks 462 from the same period.      |
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Hi Jean-Pierre, Wonderful to look at your great collection. Ian.
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igf2,
Such overall great quality for this historic material is amazing. Great collection !
Etonnant ;P
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Thanks Ian & Yum for your comments. Let's say thoses pictures are just the begining of the show... One more word for Yum : it is the smaller option for a "nakedmarklin" layout...  |
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Hello Dear Collectors After two topics dedicated to the R700, let's move to the R800. You will also see the following cars : 391.2 (1938) 388.1 (1937) 365.4 (1938-1939) 393.1 (1938) another warehouse (item n° 428) and the wellknown crane 429.         |
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Hi Jean-Pierre, More wonderful photo's to look at. Can you tell me, during the period of the "16 sleeper" track, where all the signals manual, or was there some form of automatic train control possible. Thanks. Ian.
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Hi Ian
Marklin issued at that time electric signals as well as manual signals. In the future pics, I will show you the different types of electric signals of this period. But electric signals weren't actionned by trains. You had to use a manual switch for that. The first signals which were really automatic were the 445G and 480G.
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Hi Jean-Pierre, Thanks again for your help with that. Ian.
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Very nice, Jean-Pierre!
I also like how you have chronologically arranged your display of the trains. First set of items from 1936 and now the latest set of items from 1937/1938.
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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Very nice, Jean-Pierre!
I also like how you have chronologically arranged your display of the trains. First set of items from 1936 and now the latest set of items from 1937/1938.
Paul Thanks Paul for your comment. I am happy you that you notice the attempt to be "time coherent". I am not sure, that it will be always possible. But I will try for the future pics to stick to that rule. |
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Hello Dear Friends Let's add some pics of a another splendid steam engine : the famous SLR 700 (1936-1939) : On those pics, you will also be able to discover : - the 413 station (1937-1939), - a 442 G signal (1938-1947) and 4 Pullman cars : - on the first row : 2 x 349.1 1937 (green colour) - on the second row : one 349.2 1938(Ultra Marine colour)and one 349.3 1939 (Ultra Marine colour) I hope you will enjoy that new session.         |
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Originally Posted by: igf2 Hello Dear Friends
Let's add some pics of a another splendid steam engine : the famous SLR 700 (1936-1939) :
On those pics, you will also be able to discover :
- the 413 station (1937-1939),
- a 442 G signal (1938-1947)
and 4 Pullman cars :
- on the first row : 2 x 349.1 1937 (green colour)
- on the second row : one 349.2 1938(Ultra Marine colour)and one 349.3 1939 (Ultra Marine colour)
I hope you will enjoy that new session.
Hello Jean Pierre! Magnificent these Pulmann coaches, in perfect "time slot" setting. Congratulations for your great collection and sense of "period correctness"  Tin plate is magnificent!  Cheers |
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Hello Jean Pierre! Magnificent these Pulmann coaches, in perfect "time slot" setting. Congratulations for your great collection and sense of "period correctness" Tin plate is magnificent! Cheers Hello Jacques How are you these sunny days ? You are right : " tin plate is magnificent !"  |
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HI Jean-Pierre, Thank you so much showing us this extraordinary collection. It's Wonderful Regards Joël |
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Hi Joel It's also a personnal pleasure. Those pics offer me the opportunity to have another look to some pieces of my collection...  |
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Hi Jean-Pierre, I really look forward to new photo's from you of your collection. Those coaches are just fantastic to see. Maybe, could I ask a favour, a couple of photo's of the 442G signal by itself. Thankyou. Ian.
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Hi Ian Thanks for your comments. I will try to add some other photos of the signal. This one is pretty close : |
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JP, Great pieces, great photos .. Thank you ! Yum |
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Hi Jean-Pierre, Thanks very much, that is very helpful. Ian.
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Thanks thay are all very wantable.
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Originally Posted by: nevw Thanks thay are all very wantable.
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Hello dear friends After tthe SLR 700, let's spend a moment with its big sister : the SLR 800 (1938-1939). I added to the scenery the following items : - a 414 station (1937-1942, 1945-1948) ; - a 442 G signal ; - a 436 Vorsignal (1938-1942, 1945-1947); and a few CIWL cars : - 344 JB 1 (1936), the JB means it has a light in it ; - 342 J 2 (1936)Diner Car ; - 343 J 2 (1936)Sleeping Car.        |
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My heart beats a little faster when I see these wonderful pieces.
It's nice to know they have found a good home!
Thanks for taking the time to share these!
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Originally Posted by: jvuye My heart beats a little faster when I see these wonderful pieces.
It's nice to know they have found a good home!
Thanks for taking the time to share these!
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Good evening dear friends I would like to add some more photos to show you a few more older Marklin models. This time I will concentrate on more recent references as they were produced between 1939 and 1945. The items shown are : - a 418.3 station (1939-1942) also known as Friedrichshafen Bahnhof. - an electric locomotive RS 800.4 (1945-1946) - 3 coaches : * a 344.4 (1940-42 1945) * a sleeping car 343.5 (1940-42 1945) * a coach 341 SB (1940-1942 1945) with its two lights on the coach roof. I should have added a dinner car 342, but it was difficult to find more space for the photos. So You will have to wait a further presentation - and a seldom manual bell 438.H2 issued in 1939.      I hope you will enjoy this trip in the past... |
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Hello Jean-Pierre, Wonderful items, as always! You can notice on the roof on the RS 800 that the simulated "wiring" that is cast into the loco shell on top is not painted red/orange. This is common on many RS 800 locos from during wartime. This one was, therefore, most likely made during the 1940 - 1942 period or even late 1939 I have seen. I am not sure whether the frame is replica or original, but since it has glossy black paint instead of dull black, it is distinct from the 1945/1946 version. The 344 and 341 SB cars are late pre-war pieces because of the coloring of the roofs. The 343 is most likely from 1945, but the version from 1940-1942 is also very similar. One good way to tell if it is late pre-war or post-war is by looking at the roofs under UV lamp. Pre-war cars always had lacquer on the roofs, whereas Marklin did not bother with so much lacquer in immediate postwar years. Here you can see a reference image of the RS 800 that I acquired in an RS 841 K set from 1939. It was brought over during the war by an American who was in the Red Cross near Goppingen!  Thanks for sharing the photos! Paul |
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