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Drongo		#1 Posted : 25 April 2011 03:30:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,249 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hi Everyone, I guess this is a dumb question, however, I have to ask it. What is the difference between a Lokpilot & a Loksound?" Greg
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nevw		#2 Posted : 25 April 2011 04:09:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Lokpilot no sound, Loksound has sound. NN
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Drongo		#3 Posted : 25 April 2011 04:18:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,249 Location: Sydney, NSW		Thanks Nev.
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Bigdaddynz		#4 Posted : 25 April 2011 10:18:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		And the Loksound is more expensive....
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river6109		#5 Posted : 25 April 2011 11:55:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,874 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Greg, ESU decoders are multi protocol, which means they are suitable for different model train locos, e.g. Analog: AC DC,, Digital: DC DCC AC, they are programmable, free updates with loc programmer, and if anything goes wrong, you don't have to send the whole loco in for service or replacement, just the decoder. John
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dntower85		#6 Posted : 25 April 2011 16:10:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Originally Posted by: river6109 Greg, ESU decoders are multi protocol, which means they are suitable for different model train locos, e.g. Analog: AC DC,, Digital: DC DCC AC, they are programmable, free updates with loc programmer, and if anything goes wrong, you don't have to send the whole loco in for service or replacement, just the decoder. John Some Lokpilots do not have the motorola protocol, there DCC only.
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Chris6382chris		#7 Posted : 25 April 2011 16:20:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/11/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,218 Location: Middle of the US		I have a follow up question concerning the decoders being programmable. To do the programming what do you need? I am running everything off of a MS1 can I use that or do I need one of the more elaborate controllers? Thanks, Chris
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gachar001		#8 Posted : 25 April 2011 16:45:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		Originally Posted by: Chris6382chris I have a follow up question concerning the decoders being programmable. To do the programming what do you need? I am running everything off of a MS1 can I use that or do I need one of the more elaborate controllers? Thanks, Chris You need to use a lokprogrammer http://www.esu.eu/en/products/lokprogrammer/ This connects to your PC and to a test track on which you place a loco. Then you can read the settings, change whatever you want to change and then write it back to the loco. You can also completely change the sound of the loco if you like.
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river6109		#9 Posted : 25 April 2011 17:33:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,874 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Chris6382chris I have a follow up question concerning the decoders being programmable. To do the programming what do you need? I am running everything off of a MS1 can I use that or do I need one of the more elaborate controllers? Thanks, Chris Regarding the Lokprogrammer it only programmes ESU decoders. You can change the first 5 or 6 CV's , e.g. address, acceleration & braking delay etc. etc. To change lights or digital uncouplers a lokprogrammer makes it very easy. the same goes for setting long addresses. John
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dntower85		#10 Posted : 25 April 2011 17:37:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Originally Posted by: Chris6382chris I have a follow up question concerning the decoders being programmable. To do the programming what do you need? I am running everything off of a MS1 can I use that or do I need one of the more elaborate controllers? Thanks, Chris With a MS1 you can only change the address, max speed, acceleration, and deceleration, and maybe max volume. this might be enough to get you by.
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efel		#11 Posted : 25 April 2011 22:55:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 800		Originally Posted by: Chris6382chris I have a follow up question concerning the decoders being programmable. To do the programming what do you need? I am running everything off of a MS1 can I use that or do I need one of the more elaborate controllers? Thanks, Chris Hi, With a MS, you can program the 79 first CVs of a lokpilot. The value you can enter is limited to 80. Fred
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Bigdaddynz		#12 Posted : 26 April 2011 02:54:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Chris6382chris I have a follow up question concerning the decoders being programmable. To do the programming what do you need? Besides the Lokprogrammer, you can also program the ESU decoders with an Ecos or CS1 Reloaded (v3.x.x) The only limitation AFAIK is that you have to have a Lokprogrammer to be able to upload sound files to an ESU Loksound decoder. The Ecos/CS1R can do everything else. And as others have mentioned you can perform some limited programming with a 6021 or MS1.
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Drongo		#13 Posted : 26 April 2011 07:02:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,249 Location: Sydney, NSW		Originally Posted by: gachar001 Originally Posted by: Chris6382chris I have a follow up question concerning the decoders being programmable. To do the programming what do you need? I am running everything off of a MS1 can I use that or do I need one of the more elaborate controllers? Thanks, Chris You need to use a lokprogrammer http://www.esu.eu/en/products/lokprogrammer/ This connects to your PC and to a test track on which you place a loco. Then you can read the settings, change whatever you want to change and then write it back to the loco. You can also completely change the sound of the loco if you like. AFAIK you can't change "whatever you like" with a mfx decoder - it's been locked by Marklin. Am I correct?
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nevw		#14 Posted : 26 April 2011 07:11:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		COrrect. there are only a few Parameters that can be changed on an MFX Decoder. Sound is totally locked. Speed Curve, Min and Max accelleration, Braking spreed etc. NN
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Drongo		#15 Posted : 26 April 2011 07:15:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,249 Location: Sydney, NSW		Originally Posted by: nevw COrrect. there are only a few Parameters that can be changed on an MFX Decoder. Sound is totally locked. Speed Curve, Min and Max accelleration, Braking spreed etc. NN Thanks Nev.
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Rinus		#16 Posted : 26 April 2011 07:52:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Originally Posted by: nevw Lokpilot no sound, Loksound has sound. NN You are a very wise man!
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RayF		#17 Posted : 26 April 2011 10:32:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Rinus Originally Posted by: nevw Lokpilot no sound, Loksound has sound. NN You are a very wise man! I agree. This is the most precise, accurate and to the point answer to the question posted.
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nevw		#18 Posted : 26 April 2011 10:59:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Thankyou, I thought that that was the propper answer without any waffle. NN
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dntower85		#19 Posted : 26 April 2011 14:50:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Originally Posted by: Rinus Originally Posted by: nevw Lokpilot no sound, Loksound has sound. NN You are a very wise man! But by that logic Lokpilot: has Pilot. Loksound: no Pilot. Now that's a waffle answer. sorry I feel punny today.
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